The most pernicious secret about Reform

[SeriousFaffing]

The results from a YouGov poll in December show quite a large difference between men and women of those who would vote Reform at the beginning of 2026.

This has got me thinking about the split and women’s awareness of Reform.

Agree or not, I’m sure that everyone is aware of the links made between Reform and racism… However, I think that a just as big elephant in the room is what appears as pernicious and deep rooted misogyny… I think that the YouGov poll appears to show that women are subliminally - or very - aware of this fact.

When I think of Reform, I see images of white men chanting “we want our country back”. I think of Farage cosying up to the anti abortionists in the USA (many news articles on this) and I think of Reform’s policies to boost the birth rate.

I wonder about wanting ‘our country back’ being as much about harking back to a time when women were not out at work (taking up jobs) and expecting dinner to be on the table when he comes home. No answering back at home or in the work place. And, you know, ‘Protecting our women’ as though a commodity or object… But only when it suits.

What do you think? Am I unreasonable as a woman to worry about Reform getting into Government?

You are unreasonable - no, as a woman, I am not worried about Reform getting into Government.

You are not being unreasonable - I am worried too.

Related to this, I was really disturbed by Reform’s complete opposition to laws intended to improve online safety for children. This is such an important issue and Reform are more interested in making it as easy as possible to access porn online. I don’t think Reform take children or families into consideration at all. I really worry that the protection of children would be completely disregarded under Reform. Reform’s attitude towards SEN is downright offensive. As a mum, I feel that is my issue and something that would interest many women. It may interest men too, but they seem less inclined to consider children as a top issue.

I don’t think left-wing parties are friends to women. The Greens teaming up with The Muslim Vote - what’s that about?

Farage was also quite clear that he didn't like Tate's ideas.

It really doesn't help convince people when you present stuff dishonestly. It's the same with the abortion point - Farage has said he thinks in line with earlier viability due to improved tech, the kind of limits that Europe has are more appropriate. That's not actually that radical or unusual a perspective, lots of people, including women, in the UK tend to agree. It's the kind of thing adults should be able to discuss without just pointing fingers.

All you have done is make it look like you need to lie and misrepresent to make Farage look bad, which is not a great way to convince anyone.

Maybe they are hoping for free hypnotic boob jobs on the NHS? Cosmetic procedures are very popular in that age group.

no, I’m not saying that women are a fractional part of society. I’m saying that the people that were being referred to in that comment are such a small fraction of society. They are vulnerable and marginalised.
Do you have any data to back up the 'vulnerable and marginalised' claim. Or have you done a Starmer and naively believed lies when they are told to you?

Reform are already cosing up to anti abortion groups from North America.

Farage always votes against policies that would protect women. That’s a matter of public record.

Farage votes against policies like harassment, spiking and upskirting.

Farage thinks Andrew Tate is an important voice for men and has been pictured with him who is a known trafficker of women. Not to mention the party has taken Russian bribes.

Getting rid of the NHS will mean an insurance based system that will just go up every single year. add to that the costs of medical bills for children and if you get divorced will that burden fall more on mothers?

I do think you have to be stupid to vote for a bunch of former Tory rejects and Farage who helped caused the immigration mess in the first place and promoted Brexit. We know Brexit made the country poorer.

Well, Greens, Labour and Lib Dem refuse to recognise that I exist as a separate legal entity to certain special men so at least Reform understand what women are.

Imo it’s easier to combat any straightforward, old fashioned misogyny than have to start from trying to persuade people that women are entitled to human rights too.

And because the mainstream parties have already been caught lying and attempting to smear Reform with every type of accusation, I’m taking all that with a pinch of salt.

I am not a voluntary Reform supporter but they seem like the least worst in a very very bad field.

I pulled quotes directly from news articles.

I really don’t think any of those (true) points are defensible tbh.

Farage has been a frequent flier at many US events where they have been actively and openly discussing rolling back women's rights on bodily autonomy @SeriousFaffing So far it has been more actively reported on in the US than in the UK. He also has a number of members which have been openly vocal on such issues including Danny Kruger.

I do not think you are being unreasonable at all.

Is this a true representation of their actual position though, or is it just that they objected because the proposed laws are so badly written that there are even worse unintended consequences?

This Labour government seem woefully bad at writing laws and actual democracy and respecting parliamentary process.

Electoral mathematics and demographics.
Winning by giving different messages to different groups, even though those groups have almost nothing in common.

Reform only want to make sure only women are in the women category so they can effectively remove our rights.

Yes, they know you’re a woman but do they vote to protect women from harm?

No they don’t. Farage votes against policies that would protect women like harassment, upskirting, and spiking. He has anti abortionists in his Tory rejects party. And he’s been pictured with Andrew Tate but great that he recognises what a woman is.
Just wait and see what funding to women’s groups they’ll defund because they can correctly identify what a woman is. Happened in the states. Will happen here.

Reform, like Trump, think that women are just second class citizens who should keep their mouths shut. Rather like Trump. It appalls me that some women don’t see this.

My local woods have been hacked down and replaced with two giant new housing estates, a second estate has been built at the other end of the village, and now we’ve been told 400 new homes are going to be built in the centre of the village.

An aging population with a low birth rate needs immigration to prop up the economy (as well as staffing the NHS and care homes). Without an ever-growing population you can't have an ever-growing economy.

A capitalist system would rather build on green fields (as more profitable) than build on ex-industrial sites and in cities.

Reform will not be able to address either of these things.

Kemi Badenoch has been strong on this.

You will vote reform out of desperation?
Because you don’t like the others? I mean why would you vote for one bad party over another ? It does not make sense ? Surely spoiling your vote would make more sense ?

The USA is a very different country to the UK.
Basically, the US is religious, the UK is not.
The US is generally far to the right of the UK. Even the US Democrats are more right-wing than the UK centre ground.

No matter how big Reform's majority in the Commons, I can't see the Lords reducing the abortion limits, or abolishing sex-based employment protections.

As PPs have pointed out, Reform’s actual position on abortion is pretty mainstream and acceptable to most.

I feel like I need to point out that we are not the US and Reform is not the same as political groups in the US.

The other things you mention ARE lost to women if we are not allowed to be a legal entity separate from all men. Most mainstream parties except Conservatives against us being a legal entity away from men.

I’m not sure our heads that need wobbling.

They were bought off sometime ago by a puberty blocker manufacturer. With Ed Davey in charge they are lost for the foreseeable future.

Well Labour are doing a fine and dandy job of protecting females arent they!!
What in the name of fuckety fuck was Starmer doing issuing a grovelling apology to Epstejns victims?
Who advised him to do this?
Not a peep about the grooming gangs
Not a peep about Rhiannon being slaughtered.
Not a peep about the court cases that keep popping up with illegal immigrants raping and assaulting young British women?
And you're asking why people are voting reform?
Jesus christ on a 3 wheeler bike 😡😡😡

As PPs have pointed out, Reform’s actual position on abortion is pretty mainstream and acceptable to most. I feel like I need to point out that we are not the US and Reform is not the same as political groups in the US.

Don't be fooled. Reform are very much in the pocket of the US conservatives and if they get in power they will quickly align with the worst of what we are seeing in the US..

On abortion there are many serious people in the UK who would like the limit reduced. It is now possible for a younger foetus to exist because of advances in medical care.
In the UK and most of Europe abortion is permitted by Act of Parliament. The women in the USA have not had this protection. Stop worrying Won't happen.
Men over 65 can definitely remember a time of strife and upheaval.
Strikes by different groups of workers. Miners in a failing industry challenging an elected government. Print Unions insisting on using very old technology. A Print Union spokesman actually said that only printers should use the office photocopier. I heard him say that on the radio.
This Government is weak and is giving way to Unions on the railway and NHS and giving way to pressure groups.
We are losing social order. The Greens in Bristol are a worry.

Another venn diagram overlap "Two thirds of those arrested at Bristol anti-immigration riots involved in domestic abuse reports"

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/two-thirds-those-arrested-bristol-10435411

Yes it's a shame.

With the Left and the Right both trying to out-extremist each other we could really do with a sane, reasonable, centrist party.

But no 🙄