The most pernicious secret about Reform

[SeriousFaffing]

The results from a YouGov poll in December show quite a large difference between men and women of those who would vote Reform at the beginning of 2026.

This has got me thinking about the split and women’s awareness of Reform.

Agree or not, I’m sure that everyone is aware of the links made between Reform and racism… However, I think that a just as big elephant in the room is what appears as pernicious and deep rooted misogyny… I think that the YouGov poll appears to show that women are subliminally - or very - aware of this fact.

When I think of Reform, I see images of white men chanting “we want our country back”. I think of Farage cosying up to the anti abortionists in the USA (many news articles on this) and I think of Reform’s policies to boost the birth rate.

I wonder about wanting ‘our country back’ being as much about harking back to a time when women were not out at work (taking up jobs) and expecting dinner to be on the table when he comes home. No answering back at home or in the work place. And, you know, ‘Protecting our women’ as though a commodity or object… But only when it suits.

What do you think? Am I unreasonable as a woman to worry about Reform getting into Government?

You are unreasonable - no, as a woman, I am not worried about Reform getting into Government.

You are not being unreasonable - I am worried too.

Starmer was not in any way linked to Epstein, so that's a misleading post. Yes, he made a shit decision to appoint Mandelson, but he had fuck all to do with Epstein.

That said, I haven't actually seen any reliable news sources reporting links between Farage and Epstein, so I suspect this may also be fake news. If that's the case, people should stop. There is enough real dirt on the guy, and we don't need to make stuff up. Of course, I stand corrected if it turns out that there is actually credible evidence that I haven't seen.

I am fascinated at how the balance of votes on this has remained pretty much the same, in spite of votes increasing.

You can have whatever views you like on Farage, that is democracy in action., but you must reslise if you peddle outrigh lies about someone, any legitimate concerns you may have are inevitably going to be tarnished

Of course the issue for Starmer is the Mandelson appointment which implicates him in the whole affair. If he hadn’t then it would just be ex Labour politician under scrutiny by police. The appointment brings it to the heart of Labour today.

Starmer doesn’t have to meet Epstein personally for it to end his leadership. Since I didn’t post that anyway it’s irrelevant. Epstein via Mandelson is a big issue for Labour not Reform.

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True. I would be happy with her as PM.

We could say exactly the same about women who support the other mainstream parties despite their refusal to follow the law and refusal to recognise women as a legal entity distinct from men. So…

Reform are old fashioned, unreconstructed misogynists. I've no idea why any woman would vote for them.

YANBU @SeriousFaffing.

Well, of course, you can say whatever you like.

To me, it just seems a bit pointless to vote for a party just because they know what a woman is if they have made their misogyny abundantly clear anyway.

What's the benefit, exactly? We can all be reassured that Reform's misogyny won't accidentally target men who are pretending to be women because Reform already knows that they are really men and will therefore protect them?

So you have information on soci-economic status, home address, previous convictions and attitude towards ethnic minorities and women of all of the attendees of the protests and all those arrested?

Where can I find that information please?

Also interesting that you imply that no women in Stockport are subjected to domestic violence? I’m not sure that’s quite true is it?

We all know that Starmer made a shit decision to appoint Epstein, and we understand that you are enjoying the opportunity to crow about this at every possible opportunity, but this thread is about misogyny in Reform. Perhaps you could start a separate thread to talk about Starmer if you feel that this hasn't been covered enough elsewhere?

Its so depressing, isn't it? No matter which way you turn, it's there.

Misogyny has many different coats.

I’ll post where I like thanks. If you don’t want to engage scroll on by.

I get you don’t like Starmer being criticised but I really couldn’t care.

You are getting a bit desperate - all this stuff out of context! Leave women to think for themselves Gorton and Denton will be the end of Starmer and then eventually the end of the Labour Party run by the unions (men) who couldn’t defend nurses I mean feckin nurses for Gods sake No more I’m voting Reform just to give them a good kicking.

What are you on about. All women against gender ideology I know also support abortion rights. Why are you claiming it’s an ‘either/or’?

Campaigning for abortion rights is far harder when you obfuscate the sex of the people actually affected by abortion rights. Is that not obvious?

In Scotland I’m far wore worried about the SNP and Greens anti - women policies.

I don't think that you can call Reform 'far right'.

Attacks on human rights: Farage has called for the UK to withdraw from the ECHR rejecting key principles of liberal democracy.

-Withdrawing from the ECHR is also a policy from the Conservative Party as it has become an outdated loophole for mass migration.

Undermining democracy: Farage has repeatedly questioned election results in Peterborough (2019), Rochdale (2024) and Oldham (2015), where he said that the electoral process was “dead” due to “ethnic changes in the way people are voting”.

It is Starmer that has suspended local elections, set up digital ID in some dodgy deal with billionaire Larry Ellison.
Labour want to scrap jury trials
Shabina Mahmood wants to roll out facial recognition software across the country
LAbour have overseen the arrest of 1,200 people a year for 'hate crimes' on social media -more than Russia or China

Populism and elite conspiracy: Farage frames himself as a defender of “the people” against a sinister “elite,” fueling distrust in politicians and institutions.

See Epstein files.

Yep maybe with Labour going down at the same time as focusing their ire on Reform she will be.

I'm more worried about Labour taking away female only toilets. At their conference last year they had mixed toilets. No single female toilets.

I have criticised Starmer quite a lot myself on other threads, so it simply isn't true to say that I don't like to see him criticised. People can criticise him all they like, but I will say if I think particular comments are unfair, or if I think they are based on lies or misrepresentations of the truth. As indeed, I said that I didn't think people should spread fake news about Farage, much as I despise the man.

And of course, I can't stop you from posting whatever you want wherever you like. I can however politely request that you don't try to derail a thread about misogyny in Reform by talking about Starmer and Mandelson, which have been adequately covered on other threads. You can obviously choose to ignore that request and carry on trying to derail the discussion as you choose.

Don’t reply or quote my posts then and you’ll find you can stick to posting about Farage and Reform as much as you like.

Knock yourself out, post what you want and I will too.

Nonsense. It's much easier to remove women's rights by removing women as a separate category to men.

So, I’ve asked this earlier on this thread and received no answer.

Which of the Reform policies from their policy documents can you show are ‘far right’?

If they are so ‘far right’, why did Lib Dem’s apologise for calling them far right and admit they were wrong. Surely all they had to do to avoid embarrassment was point to the far right policies?

This. He was the same as a MEP. Why think it would change if Reform are elected

He clearly doesn't give fuck about ordinary people. He would continue to do as little as possible while pocketing as much cash as possible.

Part and parcel of the same thing
But a lot of younger women (ime) don't realise this