The most pernicious secret about Reform

[SeriousFaffing]

The results from a YouGov poll in December show quite a large difference between men and women of those who would vote Reform at the beginning of 2026.

This has got me thinking about the split and women’s awareness of Reform.

Agree or not, I’m sure that everyone is aware of the links made between Reform and racism… However, I think that a just as big elephant in the room is what appears as pernicious and deep rooted misogyny… I think that the YouGov poll appears to show that women are subliminally - or very - aware of this fact.

When I think of Reform, I see images of white men chanting “we want our country back”. I think of Farage cosying up to the anti abortionists in the USA (many news articles on this) and I think of Reform’s policies to boost the birth rate.

I wonder about wanting ‘our country back’ being as much about harking back to a time when women were not out at work (taking up jobs) and expecting dinner to be on the table when he comes home. No answering back at home or in the work place. And, you know, ‘Protecting our women’ as though a commodity or object… But only when it suits.

What do you think? Am I unreasonable as a woman to worry about Reform getting into Government?

You are unreasonable - no, as a woman, I am not worried about Reform getting into Government.

You are not being unreasonable - I am worried too.

Any party would be an alternative to Reform.

I follow Reform on Facebook (just to see what's happening). They had a pic of a pretty blonde woman behind a bar with the tagline, Save British Pubs. Pretty much all the comments were from men randomly saying "Vote Reform" but mainly saying something along the lines of "I wouldn't mind pulling her" "I wouldn't mind her pulling me", some a bit more crude.

They show the people who they are over and over and the people just don't listen.

I don't like that women are expected to be happy about choosing between bad and worse, or even feel particularly vested in it.

All political parties that have even a shred of power are quite happy to throw women under the bus at every turn in different ways. It's like pigs voting for different farmers; you can't forget that they all just see you as meat, ultimately.

Oh this is all so dangerous. The two main parties eating themselves and fucking everything up, the Lib Dems invisible and so people are searching for alternatives. Extreme left greens or extreme right reform. Both exceptionally bad options.

why Is Lib Dem invisible?? They might be the answer.

This is a candidate for Advanced UK:
“Nick Buckley, the Advance UK candidate in the Gorton and Denton by-election, has posted a series of social media messages where he makes hugely insulting and derogatory claims about women.
In May 2025, Buckley wrote on X: “Many British young women are whores but don’t realise they are.”

“Many British young women are whores”
In the same post, he claimed that “the days of morality & decorum are over,” adding that young women “make poor wives & poor mothers.” He further stated that they “contribute to the idea that all women are easy & can be abused.”
There are many such posts in his X feed. In one, he claimed that “feminism has NOTHING to do with the welfare of women,” describing it instead as “a Trade Union for ungrateful underperforming Western women” and asserting that “the more feminist policies we have, the more unhappy women become.”

Feminism – for “ungrateful underperforming Western women”
Another post declared: “Women lie – we all know this to be true,” before alleging that “even the DEI lesbian astronauts have problems with women lying to destroy their reputation.”
‘Immoral and evil’In a further example, Buckley wrote: “Many Western women are immoral and evil. Feminism ruined them and weak men allowed it to happen.”
In another post from July 2025, Buckley wrote: “Western women have fallen so low that they think it is acceptable and their right to dress as strippers and pole dancers. It is not. Bring back decorum.”

“Western women have fallen so low…”
Buckley has not removed any of these the posts and has continued to comment on similar themes across his social media accounts.
He has previously defended his online presence as “speaking uncomfortable truths” and rejecting “political correctness”.”
Searchlight magazine Tony Peters

From WIKI

Brendan Nicholas Buckley MBE(born April 1968) is a British charity worker and political figure, a member of Advance UK who previously represented Reform UK He spent 15 years working with the homeless. In 2011, he founded The Mancunian Way, a charity which dismissed him in 2020 after he posted an article critical of the Black Lives Matter movement. However, the board of trustees later resigned and Buckley was reinstated. He is a candidate in the 2026 Gorton and Denton by-election.[1]

Protecting the category of women as a sex class is the foundation on which all other women's rights are built.

Which mainstream party other than Reform have unequivocally pledged to do so?

Abortion rights are meaningless if the law won’t even name who they apply to. Equality protections collapse if the protected class can’t be defined. You can’t improve women’s pay, safety or conditions if women are no longer a legally coherent group. So give your own head a wobble.

I don't know who I'll be voting for and I'm in Wales so we have elections coming up soon. But one thing's for sure. I'll never vote for a party that's been trying to say that men can self-declare themselves to be women. Because if they're willing to lie about something as fundamental to reality as that (throwing women under the bus in the process), they will literally lie about anything.

Would you rather have a legally defined “protected” status for women but women generally have a lower quality of life, fewer rights and freedoms, or women have a better quality of life, more rights and freedoms, reliable healthcare and treatments such as abortion (not needed by trans women anyway) but share this good fortune with a very few trans women? It seems rather foolish to say I want women to be labelled women but by the people who generally will treat women worse.

Men grow up believing that they are the rational, emotionless ones, so they find it much harder to spot when they are being fed propaganda designed to play on their emotions. They believe everything they feel is based in actual logic. They can't be influenced by their feelings because that would be feminine and therefore bad.

So when some random russian troll online agrees with them that the country is shit and then says the fault lies with immigrants/Muslims/women, it's harder for these types of guys to see that it's someone manipulating their feelings about a shit situation and giving them someone to blame. They don't see they're being played, they just want a scapegoat to direct their anger at to make themselves feel better, and the online propaganda machine is happy to provide that for them.

I understand your point, and personally I wouldn't vote for Reform...but would you rather be spat on, or kicked? I mean, personally, I'd rather neither of those things happen to me, and I wouldn't want to vote for either of those options.

It's a little sad that it's the argument that needs to be used to convince women who to vote for. "They only want to do this less-bad thing to you." Oh, well, wonderful.

Farage has said that he think abortion date limits are too high. He is a fan of Trump.

Reform voted against the Employment Rights Bill, aimed at preventing workplace sexual harassment.

Reform promised to replace the Equality Act 2010 and scrap all equality, diversity and inclusion measures – the protections that underpin women’s rights in law.

Farage has called Andrew Tate “an important voice for men”

Well that’s only the case if you consider the inclusion of trans women to be a bad thing. For me, it’s more like being spat on AND kicked by Reform or .. a much nicer option for everyone.

Also meant to add, I wonder if there is a link between racism and misogyny. After the Southport riots they found 2 out of 5 men arrested had previously been reported for domestic violence.

They don’t want to protect women. They want to control women.

@minipie I didn’t know about the venn diagram overlap. Interesting but by no means surprising!!

It seems rather foolish to me to erase the class of women and then expect it to be possible to protect women's rights.

@DownsideUpside I hear you. That is very prevalent in my mind.

Well, if you're fine with liberal misogyny, then of course you'll be happy. But those who aren't fine with any misogyny, won't be.

To put it in terms you might understand: If you had to vote between a party that was great for women's rights in most regards except that they thought abortion should be banned after 6 weeks, and a party that wasn't great for women's rights overall but thought abortion should be allowed up to 24 weeks, you probably wouldn't feel too happy about your options either.

Reform, though? The "feminism is a cancer" party, that Reform? The "women are too promiscuous " party? Reform, 20% of whose MPs have a conviction for assault of a woman?

I agree about the importance of women as a sex class. But do you really want to throw out the baby with the bathwater? Access to abortion is important for women's rights. As is access to healthcare. As is support for domestic abuse.

I'm not saying you don't care about women, but I think you need to look at the bigger picture if you think Reform of all people are the answer to the erosion of women's sex based rights.

This.
The chart shows 44% of women age 18-24 thinking of voting Green.

I say this as an ex lifelong Green voter:
OMG what the hell are they thinking!!!😱

I'm 61 and completely agree with you. All this whining about "we've worked hard all our lives" and then retiring in mid / late 50s when that will certainly not be an option for the younger generation.

To the chagrin of most true rightoids, there is no evidence that Reform is as extreme as their political enemies like to make out. They are pretty milktoast. Yes they have extremists in their ranks but so do the leftist alternatives. They'd be further dumbed down if they got anywhere near power. They are also looking increasingly like a they're being co-opted into a containment operation. I think you can rest easy.

But I'll also add - at least they're wolves in wolves clothing. The naivety of people calling "misogyny" out at the right need to direct their energies at ensuring their is a women friendly electoral option on the left. Because all the leftist parties, even the Womens Equality party have demonstrated far greater contempt to the sex based rights of me, my daughters and my mother and have proven they're a far greater threat than the right. The left are wolves in sheep's clothing. And that's far more sinister.

I mean, it's not surprising that people who get arrested at a riot would be violent in other regards. I'm not sure that proves a lot, necessarily.

Although, to be fair, I also wouldn't be surprised to find out that there is a correlation.

As opposed to the "women can have penises" party or the "lesbians are genital fetishists" party or the "minor-attracted persons have rights too" party?

And again: the ability to define "women" as a sex class isn't the bathwater, it's the foundations on which the bath rests.

@Shedmistress no, I’m not saying that women are a fractional part of society. I’m saying that the people that were being referred to in that comment are such a small fraction of society. They are vulnerable and marginalised. While I do very much think it’s important for women’s spaces to be protected, I don’t feel threatened on the whole (apart from by frightening individuals who want to take advantage of that situation but are not at all the majority).

However, I do feel very much threatened by men who want to roll back women’s rights as a whole.