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...to think Angela Rayner needs to wind her neck in?

156 replies

Damnloginpopup · 06/02/2026 08:22

Why is a FORMER deputy, who was binned in disgrace for being VERY NAUGHTY potentially in line to oust Keir Starmer as big boss?

I'd have sacked her completely, not just as deputy leader, for her prior misconduct. Surely the Labour party can't support ousting their leader and replacing him with a proven wrong'un? Is there nobody else decent? Has she no shame?

Fucking snakes, the lot of them. I thought we'd seen the back of that sort of barefaced bullshit with the downfall of boris.

OP posts:
Goldenbear · 06/02/2026 10:10

Capillaryaction · 06/02/2026 09:46

I'm with sweetiedarling7
She was ADVISED to do that transaction by her financial advisor.
Then taken apart for it by the media, despite the fact the Tory financial violations (or Jeremy Hunt) were much worse.

She is a working class real woman, not a spoilt elite public school Tory-boy, and the papers took her down unfairly.
I think she has great leadership skill and was bullied out.

And she isn't an, "Old Alleynian" , Dulwich College Alumni for anyone who doesn't know. Farage is so relatable isn't he!!

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 06/02/2026 10:15

thepariscrimefiles · 06/02/2026 10:04

So you think that the privatisation of the previously nationalised water companies has been a complete success? Nothing spent on infrastructure and all the profits going to shareholders who fund absolutely nothing so the consumers pay through increased bills?

You are indoctrinated to believe that capitalism is always good when there is a massive amount of evidence that this isn't the case.

You are indoctrinated to believe that capitalism is always good when there is a massive amount of evidence that this isn't the case.

Can you point to where PP said that please? I don’t think you’ve quite read her list properly.

i think she makes a very valid point that Rayner has developed her views through the hardline unions and will dismiss views from those she calls Tory scum purely because of who they are. The very definition of bigoted.

lazyarse123 · 06/02/2026 10:15

Capillaryaction · 06/02/2026 09:46

I'm with sweetiedarling7
She was ADVISED to do that transaction by her financial advisor.
Then taken apart for it by the media, despite the fact the Tory financial violations (or Jeremy Hunt) were much worse.

She is a working class real woman, not a spoilt elite public school Tory-boy, and the papers took her down unfairly.
I think she has great leadership skill and was bullied out.

She was ADVISED to get proper tax advice from specialists which she didn't do.
If she can't even do that then she is definitely not better than Starmer. He doesn't listen to advice either.
The only one who has anything about him is Wes Streeting or Miss Mahmood (forgotten her name). They both seem to at least try solving things.

Damnloginpopup · 06/02/2026 10:16

Bourdic · 06/02/2026 09:55

Of course she should wind her neck in, she’s a working class origins northern woman - how very dare she even breathe

No. Because she's a crook.

A hypocritical crook.

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EasternStandard · 06/02/2026 10:17

I think she has a chance to go for it.

Bourdic · 06/02/2026 10:18

Kingoftheroad · 06/02/2026 10:07

The difference is though that she was deputy prime minister. I understand what you’re saying I really do. As a business owner who battles on a daily basis to always do the right thing, this really stuck in my throat

they offered no help to keep us afloat,
the don’t give a shit about the cost of living prices. Utility bills are horrendous, we don’t even get our bins emptied but have to pay high rates.

she bangs on about fair pay, thinks that making people more benefit reliant is the answer.

instead of paying benefit to top us wages, why not give financial support to businesses under a certain threshold which would
allow us to pay more and foster a work ethic.

they don’t want people doing well they want us state dependent so that they maintain control

Oh dear the ‘trickle down effect’. Why then do companies with huge profits, still pay many of their workers only the minimum
wage ( or just above)? I’m
not doubting your hard work and decency and difficulties but really being more generous with many employers will only increase their profits.

Dollymylove · 06/02/2026 10:18

Gahr · 06/02/2026 08:51

There is no way that that grifter will become PM. I'd actually rather have Lammy.

Would you trust someone who thinks men can grow a cervix, to run the country?
The rest of the world is laughing at us already, how mucb lower can we go?

EasternStandard · 06/02/2026 10:19

Gahr · 06/02/2026 08:51

There is no way that that grifter will become PM. I'd actually rather have Lammy.

No way

Kingoftheroad · 06/02/2026 10:24

Dollymylove · 06/02/2026 10:18

Would you trust someone who thinks men can grow a cervix, to run the country?
The rest of the world is laughing at us already, how mucb lower can we go?

It would need to be based on profits or indeed losses. Any financial assistance would be monitored by HMRC and only used to shore up better earnings for employees.

similar to furlough during Covid. It would be taxable and pay for itself by reducing benefits.

honestly, my staff take home much more than me. Any additional earnings I pass on in bonuses etc. I’ve been recognised in Hollywood etc but it’s a struggle. I also feel
a strong obligation to the community I’m in and contribute as much as I can

firstofallimadelight · 06/02/2026 10:25

Sweetiedarling7 · 06/02/2026 09:01

Ok, I’ll swim against the tide.
I like Angela Rayner. I like her politics and I admire her as a working class woman who has battled her way up.
I want politicians who understand what real life is like for the majority of people, not Eton elites.
I think the issue with her tax has been overblown, many people have not fully grasped the complex circumstances and have simply decided it must be part of the widespread tax dodging we had become accustomed to, most particularly from the tory party and from the super rich in general.
I also think the old boys network and men in general delight at being able to squash someone who is not part of their club and there has therefore been huge power pitted against her.

I agree

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 06/02/2026 10:25

Bourdic · 06/02/2026 09:55

Of course she should wind her neck in, she’s a working class origins northern woman - how very dare she even breathe

If she is representing ‘northern working class’ woman, she’s not doing them any favours with her downright rude and disrespectful behaviour - even in Parliament.

Calling her colleagues ‘scum’ and calling for the resignations of those caught in tax avoidance, then being twice caught dodging taxes herself.

She has a very anti working class women stance in arguing against the right to single sex spaces (w/c women are arguably disproportionately affected by this).

She supports the strict anti women rules followed by the Muslim leaders she courts for support.

She is very anti grammar schools and has supported the ideological war on private schools which ironically provide many bursaries for students that can’t afford private schools so removing those schools reduce opportunities for w/c girls.

Goldenbear · 06/02/2026 10:44

Kingoftheroad · 06/02/2026 09:55

Im a working class hard working woman as are millions of others in the country. We don’t dodge tax and lie about it twice.

she’s paid from the public purse, elected to represent the people of this country. She should be held to account. She should have been sacked on the spot. Any other public servant would have been - it’s stealing

these clowns should be working hard improve our lives and putting the people who put them there first not their own self interests and hunger for power

I voted for this shower of shit and I’m embarrassed to admit it. My alternative was SNP and look at the mess and corruption among these arseholes

So you don't think anybody in government acts with any integrity? Cynicism like this is why democracy is under threat as people have lost belief in anything. Most people don't 'give a sh*t' and are happy to exist in a culture bereft of civic duty. It's all very well being in a rage over individuals in the spot light that the press have whipped up a storm over as they know this is entertainment and this sells but this means that this rage is no longer over concepts like poverty, the environment, human rights etc. or worse, we are so apathetic when it comes to engaging in our democracies that we have fallen for the lies that these issues are causing our woes - e.g. net zero, taxes and we are totally oblivious to the insidious take over by the fascists!

Goldenbear · 06/02/2026 10:46

Dollymylove · 06/02/2026 10:18

Would you trust someone who thinks men can grow a cervix, to run the country?
The rest of the world is laughing at us already, how mucb lower can we go?

The 'rest of the world'? Who's that then the U.S.?

explanationplease · 06/02/2026 10:50

Sweetiedarling7 · 06/02/2026 09:01

Ok, I’ll swim against the tide.
I like Angela Rayner. I like her politics and I admire her as a working class woman who has battled her way up.
I want politicians who understand what real life is like for the majority of people, not Eton elites.
I think the issue with her tax has been overblown, many people have not fully grasped the complex circumstances and have simply decided it must be part of the widespread tax dodging we had become accustomed to, most particularly from the tory party and from the super rich in general.
I also think the old boys network and men in general delight at being able to squash someone who is not part of their club and there has therefore been huge power pitted against her.

Agreed.

I think that’s in the world a good many of her detractors are Reform sympathisers . Imagine that! The irony 😊

ScribblingPixie · 06/02/2026 10:55

Capillaryaction · 06/02/2026 09:46

I'm with sweetiedarling7
She was ADVISED to do that transaction by her financial advisor.
Then taken apart for it by the media, despite the fact the Tory financial violations (or Jeremy Hunt) were much worse.

She is a working class real woman, not a spoilt elite public school Tory-boy, and the papers took her down unfairly.
I think she has great leadership skill and was bullied out.

Advised to do it, or advised that she could get away with it?

Clearinguptheclutter · 06/02/2026 10:57

Sweetiedarling7 · 06/02/2026 09:01

Ok, I’ll swim against the tide.
I like Angela Rayner. I like her politics and I admire her as a working class woman who has battled her way up.
I want politicians who understand what real life is like for the majority of people, not Eton elites.
I think the issue with her tax has been overblown, many people have not fully grasped the complex circumstances and have simply decided it must be part of the widespread tax dodging we had become accustomed to, most particularly from the tory party and from the super rich in general.
I also think the old boys network and men in general delight at being able to squash someone who is not part of their club and there has therefore been huge power pitted against her.

what she said. She made a (fairly small in the grand scheme of things) mistake and paid the price.

BoredZelda · 06/02/2026 10:57

Sweetiedarling7 · 06/02/2026 09:01

Ok, I’ll swim against the tide.
I like Angela Rayner. I like her politics and I admire her as a working class woman who has battled her way up.
I want politicians who understand what real life is like for the majority of people, not Eton elites.
I think the issue with her tax has been overblown, many people have not fully grasped the complex circumstances and have simply decided it must be part of the widespread tax dodging we had become accustomed to, most particularly from the tory party and from the super rich in general.
I also think the old boys network and men in general delight at being able to squash someone who is not part of their club and there has therefore been huge power pitted against her.

I’ll swim with you. With the scale of corruption displayed by the previous government which largely led to its downfall, it is clear there is a strategy from those who oppose Starmer’s government to paint them as the same. What Rayner did was wrong, and even in the unlikely event it wasn’t an error, it pales into insignificance with the sheer amount of pocket lining that has gone on in the last decade. Similarly, the sheer onslaught of “Starmer’s position is untenable” stories coming out of Westminster almost from the very start, for things that would have gone entirely unchecked in previous governments, has been an obvious ploy to cast the Labour Government as having the same revolving door of leaders we saw in the dying years of the Conservatives term in office. Another attempt to say “see, it wasn’t just us, they are terrible too”

I’ve been an avid follower of politics since I was about ten years old. In the 40 years since, I have never seen a government whose positive achievements have been largely ignored. There has been very little reporting about the successes of this government and before anyone piles on, yes there have been some. The Employment Rights Act 2025 has a number of changes which adds a number of protections for working people. The Water (Special Measures) Act has a number of measures aimed at stopping the pollution of our waterways. NHS waiting lists have reduced and nearly 2000 more GPs have been recruited. Improved relations with the EU have mitigated some of the worst effects of Brexit. It isn’t enough, nothing ever will be and even these will have their critics, but for none this to have been headline grabbing is very unusual. IPSOS did some polling which showed that the decrease in support for labours policies is directly correlated to whether people were aware of the policy or not. The more a policy is reported, the less likely it was to be supported. That tells a story in itself when the reporting is almost exclusively framed as a negative.

There is a very deliberate attempt to highlight negative press for the Labour Government, to destabilise it and force another election. This suits the aims of a whole number of different groups whether it be Reform and those pushing for a more right wing establishment, Conservatives in a desperate plan to claw themselves back from the cavernous depths they plummeted to, the PLP who never wanted Starmer in the first place and who are embarrassed by his perceived failures, and in Scotland, the SNP who are facing elections where they risk once again becoming second place to Labour.

Rest assured, none of those groups, not one, are doing so because they believe it will benefit the people of the UK. It is all about political standing.

I am not a Labour supporter. I’m a centrist who has also voted left and right over the years for a variety of reasons. If there were an election right now, I’d probably vote Labour again, (although the Greens are appealing to me for the first time). My reasons are simple. When you have a government who are consistently making very unpopular decisions, and having to pull back on them when the noise got too much, you can guarantee they aren’t doing it for political gain and are genuinely trying to turn the ship around. You can argue whether their way is the right way and whether they are going to succeed at it but you can’t argue with their motives. For example, the attempts within the budgets so far have been about trying to balance the books and encourage growth in the economy. Indeed the main criticisms have not been “this won’t work” it’s been “they said they wouldn’t”. As far as I can tell, the biggest mistake Labour made was to make promises they didn’t need to make, before they knew whether they could keep them. Cutting winter fuel payments was the right thing to do. Targeting wealthy people using farming to avoid inheritance tax was the right thing to do. They seem to be looking for where money is going to wealthy people rather than the poorest. Isn’t that what we want?

Do not fear, opponents of Starmer, he will not go the distance. He had a monumentally difficult task and is being hampered at every turn. You will soon be able to cheer his downfall. Be careful what you wish for, because it is likely that the next leader will face the same issues and if it is Rayner, she will also be pushed off the glass cliff. Then, next election, Farage will be your dear leader and you will yearn for the ‘shitshow’ we have now.

BoredZelda · 06/02/2026 10:59

Dollymylove · 06/02/2026 10:18

Would you trust someone who thinks men can grow a cervix, to run the country?
The rest of the world is laughing at us already, how mucb lower can we go?

The rest of the world are watching as ours are the only corridors of power are paying the price for ties with Epstein. I’m quite proud of that fact, actually.

EasternStandard · 06/02/2026 10:59

BoredZelda · 06/02/2026 10:57

I’ll swim with you. With the scale of corruption displayed by the previous government which largely led to its downfall, it is clear there is a strategy from those who oppose Starmer’s government to paint them as the same. What Rayner did was wrong, and even in the unlikely event it wasn’t an error, it pales into insignificance with the sheer amount of pocket lining that has gone on in the last decade. Similarly, the sheer onslaught of “Starmer’s position is untenable” stories coming out of Westminster almost from the very start, for things that would have gone entirely unchecked in previous governments, has been an obvious ploy to cast the Labour Government as having the same revolving door of leaders we saw in the dying years of the Conservatives term in office. Another attempt to say “see, it wasn’t just us, they are terrible too”

I’ve been an avid follower of politics since I was about ten years old. In the 40 years since, I have never seen a government whose positive achievements have been largely ignored. There has been very little reporting about the successes of this government and before anyone piles on, yes there have been some. The Employment Rights Act 2025 has a number of changes which adds a number of protections for working people. The Water (Special Measures) Act has a number of measures aimed at stopping the pollution of our waterways. NHS waiting lists have reduced and nearly 2000 more GPs have been recruited. Improved relations with the EU have mitigated some of the worst effects of Brexit. It isn’t enough, nothing ever will be and even these will have their critics, but for none this to have been headline grabbing is very unusual. IPSOS did some polling which showed that the decrease in support for labours policies is directly correlated to whether people were aware of the policy or not. The more a policy is reported, the less likely it was to be supported. That tells a story in itself when the reporting is almost exclusively framed as a negative.

There is a very deliberate attempt to highlight negative press for the Labour Government, to destabilise it and force another election. This suits the aims of a whole number of different groups whether it be Reform and those pushing for a more right wing establishment, Conservatives in a desperate plan to claw themselves back from the cavernous depths they plummeted to, the PLP who never wanted Starmer in the first place and who are embarrassed by his perceived failures, and in Scotland, the SNP who are facing elections where they risk once again becoming second place to Labour.

Rest assured, none of those groups, not one, are doing so because they believe it will benefit the people of the UK. It is all about political standing.

I am not a Labour supporter. I’m a centrist who has also voted left and right over the years for a variety of reasons. If there were an election right now, I’d probably vote Labour again, (although the Greens are appealing to me for the first time). My reasons are simple. When you have a government who are consistently making very unpopular decisions, and having to pull back on them when the noise got too much, you can guarantee they aren’t doing it for political gain and are genuinely trying to turn the ship around. You can argue whether their way is the right way and whether they are going to succeed at it but you can’t argue with their motives. For example, the attempts within the budgets so far have been about trying to balance the books and encourage growth in the economy. Indeed the main criticisms have not been “this won’t work” it’s been “they said they wouldn’t”. As far as I can tell, the biggest mistake Labour made was to make promises they didn’t need to make, before they knew whether they could keep them. Cutting winter fuel payments was the right thing to do. Targeting wealthy people using farming to avoid inheritance tax was the right thing to do. They seem to be looking for where money is going to wealthy people rather than the poorest. Isn’t that what we want?

Do not fear, opponents of Starmer, he will not go the distance. He had a monumentally difficult task and is being hampered at every turn. You will soon be able to cheer his downfall. Be careful what you wish for, because it is likely that the next leader will face the same issues and if it is Rayner, she will also be pushed off the glass cliff. Then, next election, Farage will be your dear leader and you will yearn for the ‘shitshow’ we have now.

Rayner’s actions pale in comparison to Starmer’s appointment of a major ambassador tied to a known paedophile who took money and sent information.

She has the backing of many Labour MPs, she should go for it.

TheGoddessAthena · 06/02/2026 11:00

Shimmyshimmycocobop · 06/02/2026 08:25

Completely agree, she's got a brass neck if she does think the public want her as the next prime minister.

Or course she has a brass neck.

She is a chancer and a grifter who has been promoted way beyond her capabilities.

OhDear111 · 06/02/2026 11:07

@TheGoddessAthena Labour have a history of over promoting union MPs. They keep the unions on side. Some are great, some like Ed Miliband are not. Rayner is not suitable and speaks for a minority, as Corbyn did. No one can heal factions as they have too many MPs and don’t have a common purpose. They are not fit to govern because too many MPs are just thinking about minorities in their constituencies - not the bigger picture. They graduate via student politics and don’t grasp the detail of the issues, let alone solutions.

Dideon · 06/02/2026 11:17

BoredZelda · 06/02/2026 10:57

I’ll swim with you. With the scale of corruption displayed by the previous government which largely led to its downfall, it is clear there is a strategy from those who oppose Starmer’s government to paint them as the same. What Rayner did was wrong, and even in the unlikely event it wasn’t an error, it pales into insignificance with the sheer amount of pocket lining that has gone on in the last decade. Similarly, the sheer onslaught of “Starmer’s position is untenable” stories coming out of Westminster almost from the very start, for things that would have gone entirely unchecked in previous governments, has been an obvious ploy to cast the Labour Government as having the same revolving door of leaders we saw in the dying years of the Conservatives term in office. Another attempt to say “see, it wasn’t just us, they are terrible too”

I’ve been an avid follower of politics since I was about ten years old. In the 40 years since, I have never seen a government whose positive achievements have been largely ignored. There has been very little reporting about the successes of this government and before anyone piles on, yes there have been some. The Employment Rights Act 2025 has a number of changes which adds a number of protections for working people. The Water (Special Measures) Act has a number of measures aimed at stopping the pollution of our waterways. NHS waiting lists have reduced and nearly 2000 more GPs have been recruited. Improved relations with the EU have mitigated some of the worst effects of Brexit. It isn’t enough, nothing ever will be and even these will have their critics, but for none this to have been headline grabbing is very unusual. IPSOS did some polling which showed that the decrease in support for labours policies is directly correlated to whether people were aware of the policy or not. The more a policy is reported, the less likely it was to be supported. That tells a story in itself when the reporting is almost exclusively framed as a negative.

There is a very deliberate attempt to highlight negative press for the Labour Government, to destabilise it and force another election. This suits the aims of a whole number of different groups whether it be Reform and those pushing for a more right wing establishment, Conservatives in a desperate plan to claw themselves back from the cavernous depths they plummeted to, the PLP who never wanted Starmer in the first place and who are embarrassed by his perceived failures, and in Scotland, the SNP who are facing elections where they risk once again becoming second place to Labour.

Rest assured, none of those groups, not one, are doing so because they believe it will benefit the people of the UK. It is all about political standing.

I am not a Labour supporter. I’m a centrist who has also voted left and right over the years for a variety of reasons. If there were an election right now, I’d probably vote Labour again, (although the Greens are appealing to me for the first time). My reasons are simple. When you have a government who are consistently making very unpopular decisions, and having to pull back on them when the noise got too much, you can guarantee they aren’t doing it for political gain and are genuinely trying to turn the ship around. You can argue whether their way is the right way and whether they are going to succeed at it but you can’t argue with their motives. For example, the attempts within the budgets so far have been about trying to balance the books and encourage growth in the economy. Indeed the main criticisms have not been “this won’t work” it’s been “they said they wouldn’t”. As far as I can tell, the biggest mistake Labour made was to make promises they didn’t need to make, before they knew whether they could keep them. Cutting winter fuel payments was the right thing to do. Targeting wealthy people using farming to avoid inheritance tax was the right thing to do. They seem to be looking for where money is going to wealthy people rather than the poorest. Isn’t that what we want?

Do not fear, opponents of Starmer, he will not go the distance. He had a monumentally difficult task and is being hampered at every turn. You will soon be able to cheer his downfall. Be careful what you wish for, because it is likely that the next leader will face the same issues and if it is Rayner, she will also be pushed off the glass cliff. Then, next election, Farage will be your dear leader and you will yearn for the ‘shitshow’ we have now.

This 100 fold !

OriginalUsername2 · 06/02/2026 11:19

She’s got some front hasn't she?! They’re all the bloody same.

patooties · 06/02/2026 11:20

Good lord. What a horrible opening post.

LeonMccogh · 06/02/2026 11:38

Kemi Badenoch would eat her for breakfast!