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Keir starmer is dead in the water

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Bertiebiscuit · 04/02/2026 22:21

The UK cannot have a prime minister who gave a plum job to a man when all the time he knew that Mandelson was still close friends with an ex-con who was convicted for trafficking children for sexual abuse. Starmer is destroying the reputation of the UK, he is an embarrassment and shoukd resign, if not the Labour party should demand his resignation.

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Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:25

Dragonflytamer · 05/02/2026 17:24

If all else is lost, criticise the spelling.

SOP.

And all else, IS lost…

PandoraSocks · 05/02/2026 17:25

Dragonflytamer · 05/02/2026 17:24

If all else is lost, criticise the spelling.

You were so bloody rude to that poster, spelling aside.

Eta: pile on as much as you want, I don't care. Your post was really rude and aggressive.

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:26

PandoraSocks · 05/02/2026 17:25

You were so bloody rude to that poster, spelling aside.

Eta: pile on as much as you want, I don't care. Your post was really rude and aggressive.

Edited

Why steam in?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 05/02/2026 17:26

Wolverine23 · 05/02/2026 17:22

I know and Trump! The things in there about him are enough to have someone arrested and in jail for file. It’s weird watching everyone who loves reform Farage and Trump go on about Starmer and nothing about their party.

What in the Epstein files indicates Farage has committed a criminal offence out of interest?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 05/02/2026 17:28

Dragonflytamer · 05/02/2026 17:24

If all else is lost, criticise the spelling.

I did think MN was trying to discourage people picking up on spelling as it discriminates against dyslexics presumably.

PandoraSocks · 05/02/2026 17:30

Pineneedlesincarpet · 05/02/2026 17:28

I did think MN was trying to discourage people picking up on spelling as it discriminates against dyslexics presumably.

Report my post, then. Mnhq will delete it I am sure.

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:30

Pineneedlesincarpet · 05/02/2026 17:28

I did think MN was trying to discourage people picking up on spelling as it discriminates against dyslexics presumably.

Really valid point, plus it’s petty and condescending.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 05/02/2026 17:30

PandoraSocks · 05/02/2026 17:30

Report my post, then. Mnhq will delete it I am sure.

I'm just saying I think it's discouraged (for your future reference).

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:31

And….back to Starmer.

How’s it all going for him, this evening?

NewspaperTaxis · 05/02/2026 17:32

MsGreying · 05/02/2026 16:39

The buck really has to stop with him.

If he thinks that's a reasonable excuse then he isn't fit to sit on the doorstep of number 10 let alone be inside.

Larry the Cat gets away with it.

Dragonflytamer · 05/02/2026 17:33

PandoraSocks · 05/02/2026 17:25

You were so bloody rude to that poster, spelling aside.

Eta: pile on as much as you want, I don't care. Your post was really rude and aggressive.

Edited

To be honest it does make me pretty angry that people are so keen to brush one of the worst political scandals under the carpet, by minimising and constantly referring to "but the tories".

I will try and be politer to the peado apologists.

Vinvertebrate · 05/02/2026 17:34

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:31

And….back to Starmer.

How’s it all going for him, this evening?

Not well, but luckily the Torygraph clearly has a rich seam of “Keith looking gormless” photos going back years, and they just keep coming….

Tryingtokeepgoing · 05/02/2026 17:34

PrettyDamnCosmic · 05/02/2026 17:17

So you did make it up & cannot provide a link to evidence that Starmer ignored the security service recommendations.

Admittedly the evidence I have is second hand, as I wasn't at PMQs or this mornings speech. However, it has been widely reported, and as Starmer was at both occasions and has admitted that he chose to believe Mandelson over the security services report then I'm relaxed about that. What I can't do however is make you understand or believe it, because you don't want to :)

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:37

Dragonflytamer · 05/02/2026 17:33

To be honest it does make me pretty angry that people are so keen to brush one of the worst political scandals under the carpet, by minimising and constantly referring to "but the tories".

I will try and be politer to the peado apologists.

You are not alone.

It’s right out of the Starmer playbook - deflect, and blame others. Anything but own it.

Imdunfer · 05/02/2026 17:40

Tryingtokeepgoing · 05/02/2026 16:18

What policies have Labour introduced that benefit big business and billionaires?

The IHT changes for privately owned business mean the slow death of the SMEs that make up the foundation of our economy (and employ c. 50% of private sector employees). On death / sale those businesses will either fold or be acquired by big business or PE. Either way, over time the profits will leave the UK and the tax take to HMRC will fall, from Corporation Tax, NI, PAYE, VAT etc etc. Big business benefit, at the expense of small businesses and owners.

The changes to business rates move cost away from big business to small businesses - same pattern, same story - closure of micro and small businesses reducing choice for consumers and concentrating retail / hospitality / services in the hands of big business. Big business benefit, at the expense of small businesses and owners.

The changes to taxation on income, dividends, employers NI and capital gains tax all disproportionally impact the owners of small businesses compared to multi nationals based off shore. Big business benefit, at the expense of small businesses and owners.

I don't believe they made those changes to destroy small businesses in favour of big ones or at the behest of big business.

I agree with you that may be an effect, I don't believe it was the purpose or the intent. I believe their belief is that it will increase the tax take while leaving small businesses in place and that they were attempting to shut down an inheritance tax loophole where people were using small businesses to avoid paying inheritance tax on their deaths.

Aren't the changes to business rates simply a return to the rates that existed pre covid, a reversal of covid assistance, not "new".

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 05/02/2026 17:44

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:26

Why steam in?

There’s more than enough to talk about with Starmer and the government.

Rudeness to, or attacks on posters isn’t necessary.

Anyway, it looks like Labour succession planning now. My money’s on Jeremy Corbyn. There was less chaos under his emphatic rule.

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:44

FT’s Shrimsley.

The final blow I haven’t seen the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) this unhappy and angry, across such a wide range of the party’s factions and traditions, since the summer of 2016, when Britain voted to leave the EU. Many MPs attributed part of the blame to Jeremy Corbyn’s half-hearted campaigning for Remain.

That anger triggered a leadership challenge, albeit an ill-conceived and obviously doomed one. Could the anger and upset — which is particularly acute in the women’s PLP — at Keir Starmer over the Mandelson affair and his handling of it trigger a challenge to Starmer’s leadership? Well, in the long run the answer is “yes, definitely”.

The prime minister’s leadership is in a terminal phase, and visibly neither he nor his trusted aides have it in them to turn that around. But in the short term, I have covered the ousting of three prime ministers (Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss) and on only one occasion (Liz Truss’s exit) did it happen quickly. Starmer is now at the same sort of point that Theresa May was in the summer of 2017, that Boris Johnson was after Partygate, and that Liz Truss was after the market reaction to her “mini” Budget.

Theresa May lasted two years. Boris Johnson a little under a year, Liz Truss 29 days. The situation is most like the one Johnson was in, where you would talk to a Conservative MP and they would say “this is awful, we can’t go on like this, someone should do something”. Indeed in 2024, I remember a visiting Canadian Liberal MP saying the same about Justin Trudeau’s ailing government.

But unless or until someone says “and that someone is me” these things can stagger on until some moment, crisis or resignation tips things over the edge. For Johnson, it was the resignations of Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak that pushed him out. For Trudeau, it was Chrystia Freeland’s resignation. Starmer’s government could fall over today if some cabinet minister decides “you know what, I’ve had enough of this”.

It could come to a cropper if Labour loses the Gorton by-election on February 26. It could come to an end on March 22, when the government’s planned increase in fuel duty comes into effect. Or it could stagger on until early 2029. Me saying “Starmer’s government is on its last legs” could look really prescient in half an hour or really stupid in two years’ time.

But make no mistake, Starmer’s leadership is now in a state of extreme vulnerability, and it is now a question of what or who delivers the final blow.

PandoraSocks · 05/02/2026 17:45

Dragonflytamer · 05/02/2026 17:33

To be honest it does make me pretty angry that people are so keen to brush one of the worst political scandals under the carpet, by minimising and constantly referring to "but the tories".

I will try and be politer to the peado apologists.

I understand your anger. I think everyone is angry about the corruption and abuse. I apologise for being rude to you about your spelling.

PandoraSocks · 05/02/2026 17:47

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:26

Why steam in?

You have done some steaming in yourself. But I don't need to ask why.

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:48

PandoraSocks · 05/02/2026 17:47

You have done some steaming in yourself. But I don't need to ask why.

You’ve rightly apologised to the PP.

I recommend we leave it there.

PandoraSocks · 05/02/2026 17:49

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:48

You’ve rightly apologised to the PP.

I recommend we leave it there.

I am sure you do.

Nobbystyles · 05/02/2026 17:49

And, back to Starmer…

So, a KC and former head of CPS fails to ask sufficiently probing questions to obtain a straight answer, and then claims he has had the wool pulled over his eyes.

Hardly fit to be PM methinks.

nomas · 05/02/2026 17:54

Tryingtokeepgoing · 05/02/2026 16:41

Have I touched a nerve ;)

Starmer confirmed in PMQs that he had a report from the security services that raised questions. That's a matter of public record. His response to that was to ask a crony to quiz Mandelson on those matters (note, he didn't do it himself, indicating that knew there was the possibility it'd back fire and having a route to a plausible deniability response would be helpful), and then chose to believe the responses over the report.

The Prime Minister has admitted today that he chose to believe the words of a man who had a clear, vested interest in playing down his relationship with Epstein over evidence that they were close friends and that the friendship had continued after Epstein was convicted.

I'm afraid if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then the probability is, it's a duck

His response to that was to ask a crony to quiz Mandelson on those matters (note, he didn't do it himself, indicating that knew there was the possibility it'd back fire and having a route to a plausible deniability response would be helpful)

By crony, do you mean the Cabinet Office’s propriety and ethics team?

It's their job to do the vetting, not the Prime Minister's.

Mugsey62 · 05/02/2026 17:55

Meadowfinch · 04/02/2026 22:48

Rumours are already circulating tonight about KS resignation. Time will tell how long he lasts but I don't think he'll survive past the May elections.

Just not sure who will replace him. Burnham isn't an MP, so Jess Philips? Certainly not RR.

I might vote for Labour again if Angela rayner was leader.

Pacificsunshine · 05/02/2026 17:56

Starmer just looks way out of his depth.

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