Keir starmer is dead in the water

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The UK cannot have a prime minister who gave a plum job to a man when all the time he knew that Mandelson was still close friends with an ex-con who was convicted for trafficking children for sexual abuse. Starmer is destroying the reputation of the UK, he is an embarrassment and shoukd resign, if not the Labour party should demand his resignation.

I like the phrase agressive optimist.

I am trying to think of a good name for all the background diplomacy which goes on. In the past it has been called deep state or globalist but these terms are now seen as conspiracy theory or right wing rhetoric

"Secret diplomacy" sounds too wishy washy.
"Financier-backed backroom and total lack of morals and wisdom and don't tell the great-unwashed diplomacy" maybe

I just noticed you asked about THIS government but I'm wondering why you don't understand that a small number of asset management companies owning a significant proportion of the stock market and having voting rights in the companies they own shares in isn't a problem. You seem to want a single example of a questionable deal rather than understanding the disproportionate influence these companies have.

Describing Bill Gates foundation as "philanthropic" suggests you are naïve beyond reason. You could Google "Gates Foundation criticism" to start with. Then you could perhaps look at BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, Oracle and Palantir and consider the influence they have.

I'm intrigued about how Palantir paid just 21 million in taxes globally in 2024 when they generated nearly 3 billion in revenue, most of it from defence and data management contracts with governments. Aren't you?

I think this is right.

I agree with you that there is likely to be more detail coming out, some of which won't have been common knowledge even at higher levels possibly.

Oh, has that news just broken? I didn't hear it yesterday.

This is about politics and the party not that post.

I don't think you can compare BoJo with Starmer, BoJo was a special kind of awful.

Well some still like Starmer on here but generally no he polls worse. And that was before McSweeney, Mandelson and Epstein.

This. And the reputed interest of Palantir, Gates in relation to Greenland explains some of the geopolitics going on there.

It's hard to see how McSweeney can survive.

Whether or not his departure might be enough for KS to keep going, or whether KS will decide that he would rather fall on his own sword than sack McSweeney, only time will tell.

There is obviously serious unrest in the party right now, but I imagine most will want to see what comes out of the published documents before making any decisions.

PMs are party leaders appointed by that party's membership. It was that process that put Johnson and then Truss in number 10. It came close to putting Corbyn there.

Whether he could have done better than either of those two is a question we'll never get answered.

Starmer was elected Labour leader in 2020. If I'd been a member at the time I'd almost certainly have voted for him. I was amongst those who hoped against hope that he'd stand in 2015.

He seemed the 'safe pair of hands' the country desperate needed in the midst of the Johnson shoot show. He still at that aura on the morning of 5/7/24.

Subsequently we've found he's just not good, nay he's pretty useless, at actually performing day to day politics. He needs to go and be replaced by somebody who can and that person needs to be in post soon so they can do their stuff before the next GE.

Burnham, albeit he's a political Chameleon in how he presents on the left/right sale, would probably be best but his road to a winnable seat is barred by insurmountable obstacles. As I said earlier if the consequence of his naked ambition is a Reform UK mayor of Manchester then I think a lot of party members would turn against him.

If it's Rayner or Streeting I'd be for Rayner.

His other issue is facing PMQs after refusing to go to the ISC and being overruled by his own MPs. He will struggle even more next week to answer to this.

It's a bigger scandal than Profumo. Some are saying it's the worst betrayal of the British public since Kim Philby.

Mandelson was effectively spying on the government for the rich and powerful, and some of those people he was spying for were possibly Russian assets.

And that's before you even get into him enabling paedophilia and the sexual abuse of young women and seemingly having very young men procured for him by his criminal friend.

It's not only Starmer who has terrible values. So many journalists and political commentators thought Mandelson was a good appointment because he is a 'political genius' (and not just someone who gets things done because he is so corrupt and amoral). Turns out a lot of these people are close friends with Mandelson to the point where they are attending each other's weddings. They are all in the same club. It's bad for democracy when journalists are hand in glove with politicians.

He wasn't "still worse" of course. Which is reflected in the polls that it is Starmer not Boris that is the most Unpopular Prime Minister of All Time.

Southern Hemisphere - see their list in a different post on this thread. As it happens, the country where my DH is from and one in which I've lived and certainly no utopia.

If MN is any sort of barometer, it looks like the ranty left of Labour is gearing up to throttle Starmer too. Lots of “Starmer and his government too right-wing, shadowy cabals of international financiers, Boris was Satan, etc etc.”

We’ll see the likes of McDonnell and Burgon getting airtime soon enough. Labour will tear itself apart while it’s in free fall. All good.

Keir S announced his full support for Morgan M at PMQs yesterday so we can assume Morgan M is on his way out.

Agree. This will stick with Starmer and Labour.

Adam Boulton for one.

TBH your reply doesn’t make any sense, either.

Let’s wait & see. But it certainly won’t be Jess Phillips.

As someone who doesn't want either Reform or Corbynite Labour to be running the country, it is disturbing that the left wing of the Labour Party seems to be making capital from this. Who is about to be the next Prime Minister?

It will be someone bad as they don't have anyone good.

They can't have Raynor as the rest of the term will be dedicated to focusing on her private life, actions as a trustee and tax affairs which will mean nothing will get done. Shes got a taint of dishonesty about her which is what we are trying to get away from surely?

If they decide to lurch left and make decisions that go against the manifesto they should call an election.

Starmer to give a speech shortly….

The fact that OP posts this about Starmer yet there's tumbleweed about Farage, who literally appears in the files, tells us all we need to know.

yup. that phrase is like a rattlesnake's rattle