Keir starmer is dead in the water

[Bertiebiscuit]

The UK cannot have a prime minister who gave a plum job to a man when all the time he knew that Mandelson was still close friends with an ex-con who was convicted for trafficking children for sexual abuse. Starmer is destroying the reputation of the UK, he is an embarrassment and shoukd resign, if not the Labour party should demand his resignation.

Well, we all know Rayner’s background, don’t we?

So, if she replaces Starmer, nobody can plead ignorance, when shit goes south.

Saying it five times in a row doesn’t make it more true 😂

I wonder if he went what have labour got to replace him with? where have all the old style politicians gone?

So what about Boris Johnson? He lied to the Queen to peroge parliament, partygate, and those are just for starters!

This is why, as significant as it is for UK politics, I’m with the 56% of the YouGov poll cited above who couldn’t give a shit about this story.

’Another politician turns out to be dodgy AF’

Really? No way! What a shocker.

I can’t even.

He’s no longer PM, Starmer is.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/04/labour-mps-say-starmer-days-as-pm-are-numbered-amid-fury-over-mandelson

Even the Guardian is doing a number on our hapless PM.

Not looking good for Starmer.

I chose PA as an example, they are not whiter than white and their behaviour is debatable. But now they are proscribed discussion could be considered support, which could lead to charges under terrorism legislation - chilling indeed!
Grooming gangs are also something which should be discussed openly and actually KS is implicated in how the state has handled that so a very relevant topic too.

I hope not.

JD Vance was hopeful that the release would bring down the left. Theil talks to Epstein about needing more global chaos. Bannon talking about supporting far right movements across Europe. These are the people that really concern me - and how we protect our democracies against this global web of relationships based on money.

I concede that on second reading that initial post by gobacktotheworld2 is a bit ranty and whataboutery'y. But sadly the point that Britain has pissed away its right to lecture is valid.
To use one of your examples what do you think Xi JinPing would say to Netanyahu/Israel if he lectured him on the rights of Uighyrs?
So when the UK criticize another state's freedom of speech or military interventions, they might just roll their eyes

The Left Wing are amassing the troops ready for a coup.
Interesting times ahead !

Exactly! Ridiculous.

Tell that to the Labour back-benchers who have thwarted the government at every turn.

They should in a case like Mandelson where he knew exactly who and what Epstein was, it was common knowledge. Lots of excuses were made for Jimmy Saville at the time, people blamed it on the era and it just being a different time. With Epstein and Mandelson we’re talking about the late 00s, he has no excuse whatsoever. He also, let’s not forget, threatened Alistair Darling during the 2008 financial crash to reinstate bankers bonuses, on Epstein’s say so.

Even better will be when we have a PM who does not place friends of a convicted paedophile in government.

That would be a good start.

My thought was, in what universe does being vetted for a highly internationally important diplomatic position consist of simply asking him if he's done anything he shouldn't? Surely he should have been thoroughly investigated by MI5 or similar, if journalists can nose out the truth, it shouldn't be beyond the capability of the intelligence service. Unless the thinking from No 10 was that as a slimeball with a suspicious history himself, he'd be the best person to understand/deal with the present POTUS.

The problem isn’t just just about PM’s appointment and what was known at the time it’s how it’s been handled, again badly. Labour are a pr disaster at the moment

I hope this doesn’t bring Starmer down but no surprise Rayner is sharpening her knife

I work in finance and have been vetted by Kroll.
The scope and depth of those background checks were extremely thorough.

I cannot believe that Mandelson went through anything less comprehensive.

It does not make sense.

I don’t mix with non US or US leaders so I can’t speak for them, or provide ‘proof’, but then I didn’t say that that’s what world leaders think. However I do spend 8 or 9 months outside the UK in various countries (and live in Italy) and have done for a while, and the consensus among the people I mix with is that Starmer is a weak puppet who almost always backs the wrong thing or backs down - and is at the mercy of the unions and his MPs. He’s seen as a moderately competent lawyer who can argue a brief but not write the brief. A technocrat that’s been over promoted. FWIW I’d categorise the bulk of people I socialise with as being liberal/social democratic in outlook - people who’s you’d think would have sympathy for him. Perhaps you can provide evidence that he is in fact seen as a shrewd political operator and that the world is wrong…

Whataboutery? Do you know what that means?

I'm not deflecting blame from my own country onto yours.

I'm directly deriding the original post which referred to the UK's reputation, and giving a handful out of dozens of reasons why your halo isn't quite so shiny and untarnished as, en masse, you pretend it is.

Your reputation, by the way, is in the fucking sea.😃

Please not Angela or David😬

Starmer presided over a CPS that chose to allow Savile to get away with it. Now this. Hmm.

Ah no he didn't, the Police never present enough evidence, plenty of chances to prosecute Saville but not without evidence, the CPS don't gather this... but you know this already mmmmm

If only i could recall who made Saville the Disabilities guy..... that famous female Tory Prime Minister's name escapes me....

The beauty of either, is that they will simply accelerate the demise of this government.

Burnham would meanwhile cause a full blown crisis in the bond market.

@DoIdriveaVauxhallZafira I most definitely can because to him it's all women's issues.

And they are just not on his radar.