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To think that the Justice system is completely f***ed?

134 replies

Sausagenbacon · 04/02/2026 16:09

Six Palestine Action activists cleared of aggravated burglary over break-in at UK subsidiary of Israeli defence firm.
So you can now break into a factory using a van, and attack people with sledgehammers?
I just can't believe it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wxlv99xrjo

A screenshot of the police van seen on the Elbit Systems UK site. The van is a large white vehicle with small windows and a chevron pattern across the back. A figure wearing black with a white helmet can be seen in the lower right corner of the image h...

Palestine Action protesters not guilty of defence firm burglary

The group are cleared of aggravated burglary over a raid at an Elbit Systems warehouse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wxlv99xrjo

OP posts:
Summerhillsquare · 04/02/2026 16:12

Will you be sharing your new evidence with the prosecution?

EasternStandard · 04/02/2026 16:13

I heard this earlier and thought wtf. How?

Hoardasurass · 04/02/2026 16:14

EasternStandard · 04/02/2026 16:13

I heard this earlier and thought wtf. How?

Jury nulification.
They all belong behind bars imho

Sausagenbacon · 04/02/2026 16:16

Will you be sharing your new evidence with the prosecution?
So they gained by smashing through with a van. Isn't that enough?
They attacked the staff, in one case with a sledge hammer. Isn't THAT enough?

OP posts:
Bagsintheboot · 04/02/2026 16:18

So you can now break into a factory using a van, and attack people with sledgehammers?

No you can't OP and you know it, so don't be facetious.

They were found not guilty of aggravated burglary. The full judgement has not been published yet that I can see, but since this crime requires proving their intent to steal, cause criminal damage, or cause bodily harm I would place my bet that this is where it fell down. I would imagine this intent could not be proved. And the prosecution does have to prove it, and no, "but obviously they did" doesn't cut it.

I am curious about the fact that the jury was only able to reach partial verdicts on some charges and weren't able to reach verdicts at all on others. That could mean one of two things - bias in the jury, or the evidence being rather a mixed bag.

The judgement will be an interesting read if it is published.

MunicipalDarwinism · 04/02/2026 16:19

Sausagenbacon · 04/02/2026 16:16

Will you be sharing your new evidence with the prosecution?
So they gained by smashing through with a van. Isn't that enough?
They attacked the staff, in one case with a sledge hammer. Isn't THAT enough?

They aren't off the hook yet. There could be second trial as outlined in the article.

Sausagenbacon · 04/02/2026 16:21

No you can't OP and you know it, so don't be facetious
You mistake me. I'm not facetious. I'm furious

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TheThinkingEconomist · 04/02/2026 16:24

Pretty obvious OP has never been a juror before.

The holes in the Prosecutions charges were obvious.

Sausagenbacon · 04/02/2026 16:25

This attack on film. You can see the guy wielding the sledgehammer. What more do you want?
I'm coming round to the idea of removing juries, tbf

OP posts:
EasternStandard · 04/02/2026 16:25

TheThinkingEconomist · 04/02/2026 16:24

Pretty obvious OP has never been a juror before.

The holes in the Prosecutions charges were obvious.

Can you say more? I haven’t followed it closely

Sausagenbacon · 04/02/2026 16:25

Just tell me how that guy isn't guilty

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nightmarepickle2025 · 04/02/2026 16:28

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TheThinkingEconomist · 04/02/2026 16:28

EasternStandard · 04/02/2026 16:25

Can you say more? I haven’t followed it closely

You have to prove intent with real evidence.

As in they communicated before the event that they intended to harm the people there.

There was none of that there from what I saw so the case for aggravated burglary fell apart. They will get convicted on a lesser charge but it won't be a felony.

MouseyGrey · 04/02/2026 16:29

This has a lot to do with the ' defend our juries' group, whose mo is to spread the message that people can be found not guilty on moral/ethical, not legal, grounds. They plastered the area surrounding the court with this messaging. If I were to be cynical, I believe Labour's plans to reduce jury trials has been heavily influenced by these activists and their concern for the consequences on the legal system. Quite frightening really.

MaturingCheeseball · 04/02/2026 19:21

This case is very important and should not be swept under the carpet.

A man raised a sledgehammer and brought it down on a wpc. For a jury to find someone not guilty of a crime here is actually terrifying.

Because it means that one day you might be attacked by someone - or a loved-one killed - but because the jury sympathise with their cause of personal characteristics they are going to get off. OJ anyone? Does anyone believe that the victims were served proper justice there?

Was it the same court that found the man who did the slitting throat thing not guilty?

Climbingrosexx · 04/02/2026 19:25

I was watching this tonight, unbelievable! Police officer hit with a sledgehammer and off work with a fractured spine!

Ggggge · 04/02/2026 19:26

I understand why Labour want to get rid of juries now.

andHelenknowsimmiserablenow · 04/02/2026 19:28

MaturingCheeseball · 04/02/2026 19:21

This case is very important and should not be swept under the carpet.

A man raised a sledgehammer and brought it down on a wpc. For a jury to find someone not guilty of a crime here is actually terrifying.

Because it means that one day you might be attacked by someone - or a loved-one killed - but because the jury sympathise with their cause of personal characteristics they are going to get off. OJ anyone? Does anyone believe that the victims were served proper justice there?

Was it the same court that found the man who did the slitting throat thing not guilty?

This.
He fractured her spine!
This is terrifying if justice is going this way.

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 04/02/2026 19:28

YANBU

Its very hard to believe there isn’t a two tier justice system when you see what these people did.

I think it’s time to really examine how/if juries work. It’s harder than ever to remain neutral and in a world where people are used to being so extreme, opinionated and aggressive without ever being held to account. That mindset doesn’t work in a courtroom.

A very sad day for justice when terrorist supporters (and let’s face it, antisemites) get away with crimes

DifferentNameForQuestion · 04/02/2026 19:30

EasternStandard · 04/02/2026 16:13

I heard this earlier and thought wtf. How?

I agree.

A man was shown hitting a policewoman with a sledgehammer. Apparently, he has autism and the police sprayed him with something, so he couldn't help it then. 🙄

Who were on the jury? Grief, they deliberated for hours and hours.

Palestinian protesters cause MAYHEM in London, week in, week out. They also cause fear to Jewish people but Palestinian seems to be above all else. No other country and suffering matter. Iran? Sudan? Nope only Palestinians. There seems to be a cult of followers. Many people steer clear of the protesters now.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 04/02/2026 19:31

Climbingrosexx · 04/02/2026 19:25

I was watching this tonight, unbelievable! Police officer hit with a sledgehammer and off work with a fractured spine!

Unbelievable. He did it but it wasn't his fault.

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 04/02/2026 19:31

TheThinkingEconomist · 04/02/2026 16:28

You have to prove intent with real evidence.

As in they communicated before the event that they intended to harm the people there.

There was none of that there from what I saw so the case for aggravated burglary fell apart. They will get convicted on a lesser charge but it won't be a felony.

We don’t have felonies in the uk

MaturingCheeseball · 04/02/2026 19:32

Prove intent?! Their plan was organised, not spur of the moment. Strewth.

TheCurious0range · 04/02/2026 19:33

Sausagenbacon · 04/02/2026 16:25

This attack on film. You can see the guy wielding the sledgehammer. What more do you want?
I'm coming round to the idea of removing juries, tbf

Do you understand what is required for an aggravated burglary conviction?
This isn't the end of this case.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 04/02/2026 19:33

MunicipalDarwinism · 04/02/2026 16:19

They aren't off the hook yet. There could be second trial as outlined in the article.

Hope so. Otherwise WTH break someone's spine with a sledgehammer and nothing. Those people outside cheering them on. Wow.