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To think that the Justice system is completely f***ed?

134 replies

Sausagenbacon · 04/02/2026 16:09

Six Palestine Action activists cleared of aggravated burglary over break-in at UK subsidiary of Israeli defence firm.
So you can now break into a factory using a van, and attack people with sledgehammers?
I just can't believe it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wxlv99xrjo

A screenshot of the police van seen on the Elbit Systems UK site. The van is a large white vehicle with small windows and a chevron pattern across the back. A figure wearing black with a white helmet can be seen in the lower right corner of the image h...

Palestine Action protesters not guilty of defence firm burglary

The group are cleared of aggravated burglary over a raid at an Elbit Systems warehouse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wxlv99xrjo

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HappyFace2025 · 05/02/2026 10:54

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 04/02/2026 19:34

And contrary to what a PP said the prosecution don’t need to have evidence of an “agreement beforehand” to prove intent.

Let’s face it - this is HUGE jury bias, unbelievably obvious. anyone who blames the prosecution needs their head examining.

One could suppose that they are supporters of Palestine Action too.

Goatymum · 05/02/2026 10:56

DifferentNameForQuestion · 04/02/2026 19:30

I agree.

A man was shown hitting a policewoman with a sledgehammer. Apparently, he has autism and the police sprayed him with something, so he couldn't help it then. 🙄

Who were on the jury? Grief, they deliberated for hours and hours.

Palestinian protesters cause MAYHEM in London, week in, week out. They also cause fear to Jewish people but Palestinian seems to be above all else. No other country and suffering matter. Iran? Sudan? Nope only Palestinians. There seems to be a cult of followers. Many people steer clear of the protesters now.

I’m Jewish and I avoid going in to central London in a Saturday. People are obsessed with Palestine. I don’t see marches supporting Ukraine anymore and Russia are still bombing, where’s the outcry re Iran and Sudan from the leftists?

This verdict just sums up all the fuckery.

HappyFace2025 · 05/02/2026 10:56

SirBasil · 04/02/2026 19:52

The police all need to take 2 steps back when asked to do anything related to those utter twats.

So let the twats get away with doing whatever they please? Seriously?

dairydebris · 05/02/2026 11:00

Didnt some members of the group take whips to the incident? Surely that proves planning and intent to harm humans? Whips are not much use against physical property.

I cant get my head around this ( lack of ) verdict. I hope will be sorted at retrial.

whataguddle · 05/02/2026 11:01

It is ludicrous it was all caught on video.
They planned to break in and do wilful damage the guy swung a sledgehammer at the police.
I despair they are as guilty as sin! Who the heck was on the jury.
They need to be locked up …people were jailed for tweets and this crew are being found not guilty!
What a shit show !
What punishment will they receive?

DifferentNameForQuestion · 05/02/2026 11:13

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 10:48

It wasn't a burglary though. It was a protest. I'm sure if they assaulted someone or caused criminal damage then they could be done for that.

Edited

They did assault someone, a policewoman had her spine broken by a sledgehammer. So far not dealt with or perhaps that doesn't matter since they were protesting about Palestine.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 05/02/2026 11:17

whataguddle · 05/02/2026 11:01

It is ludicrous it was all caught on video.
They planned to break in and do wilful damage the guy swung a sledgehammer at the police.
I despair they are as guilty as sin! Who the heck was on the jury.
They need to be locked up …people were jailed for tweets and this crew are being found not guilty!
What a shit show !
What punishment will they receive?

Tweet something awful and prison.

Smash into a factory with a van. Use sledgehammers to damage property. Use a sledgehammer and actually break a policewoman's spine. So far no prison sentences.

Two tier system. Palestine and Israel conflict which has ended isn't for us to sort, we can't anyway. Protesters might be better off going to Gaza to help out with rebuilding.

DdraigGoch · 05/02/2026 11:20

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 10:48

It wasn't a burglary though. It was a protest. I'm sure if they assaulted someone or caused criminal damage then they could be done for that.

Edited

Have you not read anything about the case before commenting?

They attacked a police officer with a sledgehammer. One of them was therefore on trial for GBH with intent (among all of the other charges). The jury failed to come to a verdict - there were a lot of attempts to influence the jury from outside.

whataguddle · 05/02/2026 11:20

I do not understand why the Palestinian protests are allowed to carry on .

We were in Leeds a few weeks back and a big protest about Kurds in Syria …why again it’s that going on!

Bottles were flying and it was very disturbing.

We shouldn’t have this here all the ME crowd making it feel unsafe in our city centres. Just no.

FrangipaniBlue · 05/02/2026 11:22

MaturingCheeseball · 04/02/2026 19:32

Prove intent?! Their plan was organised, not spur of the moment. Strewth.

Yes it makes you wonder what the jury thought his intent was in carrying a sledgehammer, if not aggravated burglary and harming someone……..

EasternStandard · 05/02/2026 11:22

DifferentNameForQuestion · 05/02/2026 11:17

Tweet something awful and prison.

Smash into a factory with a van. Use sledgehammers to damage property. Use a sledgehammer and actually break a policewoman's spine. So far no prison sentences.

Two tier system. Palestine and Israel conflict which has ended isn't for us to sort, we can't anyway. Protesters might be better off going to Gaza to help out with rebuilding.

Wth is going on

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 11:23

DifferentNameForQuestion · 05/02/2026 11:13

They did assault someone, a policewoman had her spine broken by a sledgehammer. So far not dealt with or perhaps that doesn't matter since they were protesting about Palestine.

I've no idea but if they've committed a crime and the CPS says to prosecute then they will.

PencilsInSpace · 05/02/2026 11:42

OhDear111 · 05/02/2026 09:55

Surely it was a charge of GBH? That must have stuck? It’s jury bias here or the wrong charge.

Read the route to verdict guidance they were given for count 4:

realmedia.press/filton-case-route-to-verdict-1/

They had to decide whether it was GBH, GBH with intent, ABH, or whether he was not guilty because he believed he was acting in defence of others.

If 6 of them thought it was GBH and 6 thought it was GBH with intent then no verdict would be reached. This is the down side of bringing alternative charges.

We can see the pitfalls of not providing alternative charges with count 1 - aggravated burglary. The jury did not have the option of considering a plain old burglary charge so if they decided the defendants' behaviour did not meet the 'aggravated' test then they could only return not guilty.

PencilsInSpace · 05/02/2026 11:49

Perhaps the jury was biased, we will never know. I don't think so because no verdict means they couldn't agree. Probably there were some people with very strong views on both sides of what is an intensely polarising issue.

We do know that like every other jury they were picked randomly and had no choice but to turn up and serve on whatever case they were allocated.

It's been a long trial, conducted under intense public scrutiny. Never mind the posters, the jurors have had to walk through protests on their way in to court and at times have heard evidence against a background of noise from the protest. They will have been told to avoid the media but can hardly have avoided knowing that there was a judicial review going on, or that there were big protests and mass arrests in support of PA, or that there were hunger strikes FFS! Honestly I don't know how I would deal with the kind of pressure they must have been under.

And then they come out of this long, gruelling process and face a barrage of appalling things being said about them. People want them named and shamed, they want pictures so they can see what race they are. They want the jury locked up, strung up.

I think people don't want juries, they want scapegoats.

There will very likely be retrials on at least some of the charges and there are several more trials to come for Filton and Brize Norton. There will no doubt be future trials for future offences. Any of us could be picked next time.

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 11:50

Dorset Police have put out a statement on social media saying people must remember a woman with a fractured spine is still a victim. Good for them.

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 11:51

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 10:48

It wasn't a burglary though. It was a protest. I'm sure if they assaulted someone or caused criminal damage then they could be done for that.

Edited

No it wasn’t a protest, it was a burglary.

And did you miss the woman who took a sledgehammer to the back?

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 11:54

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 11:23

I've no idea but if they've committed a crime and the CPS says to prosecute then they will.

They did commit a crime and the CPS DID prosecute them.

Its the blatant jury bias based on the fearmongering from the antisemites brigade

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 11:56

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 11:54

They did commit a crime and the CPS DID prosecute them.

Its the blatant jury bias based on the fearmongering from the antisemites brigade

I don't know, I wasn't in the court. You could be right.

Gobacktotheworld2 · 05/02/2026 11:58

Well, technically, it's now defamatory for you to say they committed this crime when they were acquitted. Funny, isn't it.

The law is an ass and these jurors were assholes.

safetychange · 05/02/2026 12:08

The fact that breaking the law has few consequences in the UK is old news to those of us from other countries. It's reassuring in one way ( if i ever inadvertantly commit a crime I feel confident I'll never spend a day in prison) and deeply unsettling in another ( If I'm ever a victim of crime I'm also fairly certain the perpetrator won't)

PencilsInSpace · 05/02/2026 12:22

Gobacktotheworld2 · 05/02/2026 11:58

Well, technically, it's now defamatory for you to say they committed this crime when they were acquitted. Funny, isn't it.

The law is an ass and these jurors were assholes.

They have been acquitted of aggravated burglary and three of them have been acquitted of violent disorder.

None of them have been acquitted of criminal damage, three have not been acquitted of violent disorder, sledgehammer guy has not been acquitted of GBH.

Five of them have been released on bail, pending potential retrial. Sledgehammer guy has been remanded in custody.

RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 12:23

Oh that’s good news , thank you 👆

HouseOfGoldandBones · 05/02/2026 12:23

TheThinkingEconomist · 04/02/2026 16:28

You have to prove intent with real evidence.

As in they communicated before the event that they intended to harm the people there.

There was none of that there from what I saw so the case for aggravated burglary fell apart. They will get convicted on a lesser charge but it won't be a felony.

You've entirely misunderstood.

It's not whether the perpetrator intended to cause injury prior to the event, it's whether his actions were intended to cause injury.

Hitting someone with a hammer is, obviously, intended to cause injury.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 05/02/2026 12:38

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 11:50

Dorset Police have put out a statement on social media saying people must remember a woman with a fractured spine is still a victim. Good for them.

This.

Let's not forget her.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 05/02/2026 12:42

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 11:51

No it wasn’t a protest, it was a burglary.

And did you miss the woman who took a sledgehammer to the back?

It was about Palestinians and action for Palestinians against Israel.

To some, nothing else matters, you see them each week in London screaming about Palestinine, which they consider ok to do thousands of miles from the area. Shame they don't actually help out actual Palestinians over there rather than cause mayhem here.