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To think that the Justice system is completely f***ed?

134 replies

Sausagenbacon · 04/02/2026 16:09

Six Palestine Action activists cleared of aggravated burglary over break-in at UK subsidiary of Israeli defence firm.
So you can now break into a factory using a van, and attack people with sledgehammers?
I just can't believe it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wxlv99xrjo

A screenshot of the police van seen on the Elbit Systems UK site. The van is a large white vehicle with small windows and a chevron pattern across the back. A figure wearing black with a white helmet can be seen in the lower right corner of the image h...

Palestine Action protesters not guilty of defence firm burglary

The group are cleared of aggravated burglary over a raid at an Elbit Systems warehouse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wxlv99xrjo

OP posts:
BilingualTomatoe · 05/02/2026 12:45

It feels very dystopian in the UK currently.

dairydebris · 05/02/2026 12:49

PencilsInSpace · 05/02/2026 11:49

Perhaps the jury was biased, we will never know. I don't think so because no verdict means they couldn't agree. Probably there were some people with very strong views on both sides of what is an intensely polarising issue.

We do know that like every other jury they were picked randomly and had no choice but to turn up and serve on whatever case they were allocated.

It's been a long trial, conducted under intense public scrutiny. Never mind the posters, the jurors have had to walk through protests on their way in to court and at times have heard evidence against a background of noise from the protest. They will have been told to avoid the media but can hardly have avoided knowing that there was a judicial review going on, or that there were big protests and mass arrests in support of PA, or that there were hunger strikes FFS! Honestly I don't know how I would deal with the kind of pressure they must have been under.

And then they come out of this long, gruelling process and face a barrage of appalling things being said about them. People want them named and shamed, they want pictures so they can see what race they are. They want the jury locked up, strung up.

I think people don't want juries, they want scapegoats.

There will very likely be retrials on at least some of the charges and there are several more trials to come for Filton and Brize Norton. There will no doubt be future trials for future offences. Any of us could be picked next time.

What 'intensely polarizing' issue do you mean here?

Do you mean the issue of whether the crime was commited is intensely polarizing? Or the issue of Israel / Palestine is intensely polarizing? Or the issue of whether PA is an actual group of terrorists is intensely polarizing? Or some other issue?

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 12:51

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 11:56

I don't know, I wasn't in the court. You could be right.

I didn’t need to be in court to see the sledgehammer being sunk into a woman, just doing her job’s spine.

How do you feel about the sledgehammer attack?

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 12:53

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 11:56

I don't know, I wasn't in the court. You could be right.

It’s this snarky, above the law attitude that if “Palestine” in the cause then people can have absolutely no limits to what they can do, couple with denial that it’s a problem, which is why I think anyone involved in the pro-pal movement must be a horrific nasty (and probably) Jew hating POS.

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 12:55

DifferentNameForQuestion · 05/02/2026 12:42

It was about Palestinians and action for Palestinians against Israel.

To some, nothing else matters, you see them each week in London screaming about Palestinine, which they consider ok to do thousands of miles from the area. Shame they don't actually help out actual Palestinians over there rather than cause mayhem here.

Because actual action would require them doing something useful rather than spewing hate.

They don’t give a shit about the victims of their hate and also complain, get nasty and throw in an antisemitic insult if you don’t clap along to their cause

Sausagenbacon · 05/02/2026 13:03

Aside from the dreadful attack on the policewoman. I can't understand how they broke into a factory with a van, and damaged equipment, and got away scot free.
Part of me thinks that, if they were working class, they'd not have escaped justice.

OP posts:
PencilsInSpace · 05/02/2026 13:04

dairydebris · 05/02/2026 12:49

What 'intensely polarizing' issue do you mean here?

Do you mean the issue of whether the crime was commited is intensely polarizing? Or the issue of Israel / Palestine is intensely polarizing? Or the issue of whether PA is an actual group of terrorists is intensely polarizing? Or some other issue?

I mean Israel / Palestine but also the proscription of PA.

dairydebris · 05/02/2026 13:05

PencilsInSpace · 05/02/2026 13:04

I mean Israel / Palestine but also the proscription of PA.

And neither of those issues were on trial. This is so messed up.

RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 13:06

PencilsInSpace · 05/02/2026 12:22

They have been acquitted of aggravated burglary and three of them have been acquitted of violent disorder.

None of them have been acquitted of criminal damage, three have not been acquitted of violent disorder, sledgehammer guy has not been acquitted of GBH.

Five of them have been released on bail, pending potential retrial. Sledgehammer guy has been remanded in custody.

They haven’t got away scot free as this PP points out

RhannionKPSS · 05/02/2026 13:07

so there is more to come with regards to those charges

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 13:09

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 12:53

It’s this snarky, above the law attitude that if “Palestine” in the cause then people can have absolutely no limits to what they can do, couple with denial that it’s a problem, which is why I think anyone involved in the pro-pal movement must be a horrific nasty (and probably) Jew hating POS.

Yeah if that's what went on it's bad. Surely they must screen the jury so only those 'neutral' on Palestine could be included. Though I guess they'd just lie.

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 13:18

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 13:09

Yeah if that's what went on it's bad. Surely they must screen the jury so only those 'neutral' on Palestine could be included. Though I guess they'd just lie.

Why do you keep saying “if”? Have you not seen the video?

Of course jurors lie, especially the above the law Pro-Pal people lie, and would be thrilled to get on a jury where they can exonerate their fellow blue haired haters

dairydebris · 05/02/2026 13:21

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 13:09

Yeah if that's what went on it's bad. Surely they must screen the jury so only those 'neutral' on Palestine could be included. Though I guess they'd just lie.

I'm not sure how feasible it would be to screen for neutral opinions. Its become a moral bellweather.
I think this speaks to the society we live in now. I think theres so much information about everything out there, and such divided narratives on real life events, that getting a fair trial in this case was always going to be very difficult if not impossible.
Human minds haven't kept up with the pace of technology. Theres no realistic way of making most people neutral.

Humans invented the internet and this is where its bought us.

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 13:23

dairydebris · 05/02/2026 13:21

I'm not sure how feasible it would be to screen for neutral opinions. Its become a moral bellweather.
I think this speaks to the society we live in now. I think theres so much information about everything out there, and such divided narratives on real life events, that getting a fair trial in this case was always going to be very difficult if not impossible.
Human minds haven't kept up with the pace of technology. Theres no realistic way of making most people neutral.

Humans invented the internet and this is where its bought us.

Once upon a time jury selection was a thing, and it didn’t go down well (look at the OJ trial)

Why would a fair trial be impossible? It’s a hell of a lot less high profile than other court cases which have gone perfectly fairly

dairydebris · 05/02/2026 13:28

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 13:23

Once upon a time jury selection was a thing, and it didn’t go down well (look at the OJ trial)

Why would a fair trial be impossible? It’s a hell of a lot less high profile than other court cases which have gone perfectly fairly

Because going by opinions on here, and the instructions given to the judge to disregard their opinions on the Israel / Palestine issue... what was on trial wasn't just whether or not these 'protesters' commited GBH with intent aggravated burglary etc, it was the whole moral issue of whats going on in the ME. Which is a much more complex and nuanced issue than a jury is qualified to decide.

And thats the internet saturated world we all now live in.

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 13:31

dairydebris · 05/02/2026 13:21

I'm not sure how feasible it would be to screen for neutral opinions. Its become a moral bellweather.
I think this speaks to the society we live in now. I think theres so much information about everything out there, and such divided narratives on real life events, that getting a fair trial in this case was always going to be very difficult if not impossible.
Human minds haven't kept up with the pace of technology. Theres no realistic way of making most people neutral.

Humans invented the internet and this is where its bought us.

Yeah you're not wrong. Especially about subjects like this.

LostFuse · 05/02/2026 13:49

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 09:23

Intent effectively means behaviour that you know could lead to certain outcomes.

So for example, if you hit someone with your car because you weren’t fully concentrating or you were speeding, that can be considered intent. The fact you didn’t set out to hit them doesn’t mean intent doesn’t exist. If you are driving perfectly safely and someone throws themselves in front of your car, it can be proven that that’s not intent.

The fact Thomas Corner (I think his name is) didn’t set out to break a police officer’s back, but did it anyway, doesn’t mean there was no intent.

It’s weirdly more complicated than it should be.

Your analogy is wrong:
Intent means you specifically meant to hit the person.

dairydebris · 05/02/2026 13:55

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 13:31

Yeah you're not wrong. Especially about subjects like this.

There'd be little chance of a fair trial for the 'agent' who murdered Renee Good either. We've all read about it. We're all part of a community and prone to groupthink- its a quirk of our evolution. Therefore there are 2 separate narratives, each with visual evidence to support, and each with influential highly visible cheerleaders.

Our brains simply can't reliably pull the truth out of these situations. Or at least, not many of us can.

I don't know what the answers are. I do worry about the world ive bought my kids into.

MaturingCheeseball · 05/02/2026 14:08

We might find ourselves in a situation where murderers are acquitted simply because the jury “approves” of them. Would Corbyn and Polanski be cheering if the guy had killed the policewoman?

BillieWiper · 05/02/2026 15:15

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 13:18

Why do you keep saying “if”? Have you not seen the video?

Of course jurors lie, especially the above the law Pro-Pal people lie, and would be thrilled to get on a jury where they can exonerate their fellow blue haired haters

I'm just saying 'if' because I don't know the exact reasons why each juror decided to vote the way they did.

whataguddle · 05/02/2026 16:28

It’s very very worrying the verdict after seeing the video!

They planned to break in they had weapons and were intent on doing damage …to property and/or people! No two ways about it.

its all on video and someone was attacked with a sledgehammer how is that ok?

I can’t believe the verdict.

We are in deep trouble as a society !

The Palestine protesters are scary and intimidating.

Try to do what this group did in some other countries and attack the police - well you’d not do it again - you would likely be shot.

Here they got off , unbelievable.

FMLGFastMovingLuxuryGoods · 05/02/2026 16:47

I’ve just seen a still of the sledgehammer man just before the attack doing something which looks very much like a Nazi salute

Peace protestors you say 🤔

TheThinkingEconomist · 05/02/2026 19:18

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Why thank god?

Because I’ve viewed a video of a man breaking a police officers back and find it unacceptable? Therefore I shouldn’t be in a jury room?

Sorry what?

TheThinkingEconomist · 05/02/2026 19:23

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