Labour increase benefits bill. AIBU To think what’s the point in working?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15520831/Labours-push-lift-two-child-benefits-cap-hand-25-000-windfalls-thousands-Britains-biggest-jobless-families.html#

‘Official estimates suggest the cost of scrapping the cap will total £13.6 billion over the next five years.

The Tories said families currently affected by the cap are in line to receive windfalls worth an average £25,000 each over that period.

But the biggest families will gain far more. Thousands of families with five children will receive around £10,900 a year while those with six children will get an extra £16,600 a year.
Almost half of the families involved have no one in work.‘

Yep.

I heard about this on the news late last night.
My first thought was i really dont care.
Have as many kids as one wants im not looking after them or raising them.
One day the benefits will run out.

I claim a benefit. I am also a taxpayer and pay tax on the benefit I recieve.

Its going to be a mess. At least some boomers did ok with property, some had final salary schemes etc. Obviously some are living off a meagre state pension in a rental too.

Millenials dont have access to those schemes, are more likely to rent
They need to be planning for this generations retirement not thinking once the boomers die off it will all be cheaper.

Millennial pay for gen X and gen Z pay for Millennial?

Then you agree?

Too many billionaires (including trillionaire/billionaire companies) are not paying enough tax. We, the boring old little people in the UK made them rich after all, buying their products and working for them on for min wage... while they get tax breaks and find ways to pay less back into the country that made them wealthy.

I’ve said it before but if you’re feeling hard done by and you’ve seen your standard of living drop then it’s a result of Covid furlough payments, leaving the EU and the Tories wasting money for 14 years.

Its much easier to blame immigrants and vulnerable people, though, eh?

The welfare bill is completely unsustainable and the mounting resentment from taxpayers will be played out in full force at the next general election.

In three years time, when the number of disability benefits is even higher than it is now and the cap on two children is long behind us, parties on increasingly precarious footing will jockey to reassure people that they will be the ones to actually get on top of things. That's not an environment I'd want to be in a workless household in, op, certainly not voluntarily.

There's certainly unfairness when it comes to benefits that does need to be looked at.

e g. No work requirements if you have a child under 3. Maternity pay only covers 9 months. (1 year protected but not paid for the full year). Either maternity leave needs to be raised to 3 years, or work requirements need to start at 1 year.

Work. Don't work, The choice is yours. For myself, if I get every benefit in the book it would not amount to anything like what I get as an annual salary.

Also, just remember anyone fool enough to believe what they read in the Daily Mail deserves all they get.

But since every other child apparently has SEN these days it will be interesting to see the figures on how many non working households with several children actually do have their benefits capped 🙄

"Vulnerable" people is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

In reality, few of those are actually "vulnerable". They just want free money.

This is what happens when you make eligibility rules too wide. The people that are actually "vulnerable" suffer because of the deluge of claiming by the people who just see a payoff.

Incentives drive decision-making. And in the UK, those incentives are upside down now. They are in fact incentivising people not to work.

It will actually encourage those families to get such a diagnosis purely for the money.

Another upside down incentive.

This is my point as well. This new policy of removing the 2 child cap is aimed at benefitting working people who would be exempt from the benefits cap.

if you currently don’t work, the policy doesn’t change much for you, if anything. Because you’ll still have the cap applied.

The eligibility criteria has got narrower and narrower for 14years. The current government are about to make it narrower again. The benefits bill has gone up and up.

At what point do you think that you might consider that the eligibility criteria being too wide is not the problem.

This is all such rubbish - you have no evidence of any of those sweeping statements, I’ll bet.

In what world are children not vulnerable?

One of the reason tax thresholds have been frozen for so long is because of higher government spending.

Plenty of data to show higher government spending - and the forecast increase on spending across a variety of areas.

Surely this can be part of the conversation too?

How can it be “worked around”?

The examples of real life people that I know who are in receipt of benefits and are working because those benefits enable them to work is not false, nor is it disinformation.

You can’t get ‘free money’. If you’re out of work you have to prove you’re applying for jobs. If you refuse to apply or refuse to accept a job you’re offered your benefits stop.

sorry if that’s not what you wanted to hear.

Except DLA is based on care needs, a diagnosis isn't required.

This is false.

Eligibility for mental health issues has exploded since 2019.

And the % of F2F checks on those has gone from over 90% to less than 5%.

It really is not difficult to understand why PIP claims are out of control now.

So you don’t have any respect for medical professionals and you think that they lie, and fabricate conditions just so people can claim
benefits?

Bold statements indeed with no evidence to back them up, I’d say.

Its free money. Always has been.

So 50% are working.

You don't know people's circumstances. One of my neighbours, at age 19, began fostering three nephews. She had enough on her plate without trying to work.