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For the love of God, everybody it's etc for et cetera. Not ECT

186 replies

Moulez · 01/02/2026 21:40

I know I'm not being unreasonable, but just please agree so that we can educate people,
Without rules, where are we?

OP posts:
itsthetea · 02/02/2026 15:08

Two thumb typing problem

MyThreeWords · 02/02/2026 15:11

YABU to care so much. It's only a typo or an insignificant little grain of ignorance. It doesn't really reduce people's ability to communicate or think, like some errors do.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/02/2026 15:16

BuddhaAtSea · 02/02/2026 08:45

Promise you it’s a thing! A and E are together, as one letter (diphthong).
I had to do Latin (French curriculum), what made you choose Latin as a degree?

We all have words and phrases we don't know how to pronounce, having only ever seen them written down. When I was at school I caused some merriment by pronouncing hyperbole as if it rhymed with superbowl. Fair enough. I also thought Penelope rhymed with antelope but fortunately heard someone else say it before I ever had occasion to do it myself.

Re et cetera - I have a Classics degree and am about as certain as I can be that it's never spelled et caetera in Latin. Wiktionary says this, though:

French
In the modern French alphabet, æ (called e-dans-l'a, 'e in the a') is used to spell Latin and Greek borrowings like curriculum vitæ, et cætera, ex æquo, tænia, and the first name Lætitia.

It sounds like it's a French thing to represent the vowel sound. It's definitely not a Latin spelling, or the spelling used in English.

YesSirICanNameChange · 02/02/2026 15:18

grumpygrape · 02/02/2026 14:36

'the word "bureaucrat" (thanks predictive text!) is a weakness of mine - I can just never get it right first time!'

Bankrupt, chauffeur, necessary, consensus, are a few of my bêtes noire, or is it bête noires ?

Ooh for "necessary" I was taught at school, "you need a C to See the Sea". No idea how it helped me remember, or what context it's supposed to link to, but I always think of it when writing necessary!

Chauffeur is another of my tricky ones.

Glitchymn1 · 02/02/2026 15:19

It’s an abbreviation.

CaptainMyCaptain · 02/02/2026 15:20

Glitchymn1 · 02/02/2026 15:19

It’s an abbreviation.

?

jetSTAR · 02/02/2026 15:22

You are absolutely right OP

x2boys · 02/02/2026 15:23

Glitchymn1 · 02/02/2026 15:19

It’s an abbreviation.

Yeah but its not Ect ,its Etc
I used to be a mental health nurse Ect means something very different to me.

itsthetea · 02/02/2026 15:23

Doesn’t hyperbole rhyme with Super Bowl? Oh dear

TrickyD · 02/02/2026 15:25

BuddhaAtSea · 02/02/2026 08:45

Promise you it’s a thing! A and E are together, as one letter (diphthong).
I had to do Latin (French curriculum), what made you choose Latin as a degree?

I chose a degree in Latin with Ancient Greek because my A level results for those subjects were good.
I would never encourage any one to do the same.
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g confirms that caetera is not Latin usage.

PleasantPedant · 02/02/2026 15:33

It is bêtes noires.

CaptainMyCaptain · 02/02/2026 15:37

itsthetea · 02/02/2026 15:23

Doesn’t hyperbole rhyme with Super Bowl? Oh dear

Hyper-bolee

tescofishcakes · 02/02/2026 15:44

I’d say it’s more like high - PER - bol - ee - to get the emphasis on the correct syllable. Or chuck it into google and it’ll show you the correct pronunciation.

I also thought Penelope was ‘pen - ee - lope’ when I was a kid but managed to work it out before saying it out loud - phew.

ConcernedOfClapham · 02/02/2026 15:45

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 01/02/2026 21:54

Can you be more pacific OP?

😆😆😆

SlothSpiritAnimal · 02/02/2026 15:45

Doingtheboxerbeat · 02/02/2026 13:57

This is my weakness and my phone is more illiterate than I am 😖.

Is there a handy rhyme or saying that makes it easier to remember?

My grandad used to say “you don’t want to lose your loose change” not sure if that’s helpful, but it’s how it stuck for me!

Fullmoan · 02/02/2026 15:46

I know exactly how it should be typed but for some reason my computer and phone autocorrect to ect!

I have disabilities in my hands and so struggle with pain when typing and although the pedant in me would like to correct it sometimes I just can't face it

CaptainMyCaptain · 02/02/2026 15:46

tescofishcakes · 02/02/2026 15:44

I’d say it’s more like high - PER - bol - ee - to get the emphasis on the correct syllable. Or chuck it into google and it’ll show you the correct pronunciation.

I also thought Penelope was ‘pen - ee - lope’ when I was a kid but managed to work it out before saying it out loud - phew.

Ok. I agree. Emphasis on the PER.

Fullmoan · 02/02/2026 15:47

StopYuckingMyYum · 02/02/2026 00:25

Thankfully MNHQ have been cracking down on the grammar police who humiliate those who aren't fortunate enough to be good at SPAG.

It really does put women off of posting even when they may need advice on domestic violence, care of their children, divorce, schooling or any other important subject you can think of.

If the grammar/typing/spelling of complete strangers annoys you this much, YOU are the one who needs to change or just leave Mumsnet.

I agree I have family members who are ferociously bright but have hideous spelling due to dyslexia and it upsets me a lot to think they may feel deterred from posting on here

PinkTonic · 02/02/2026 15:49

MyThreeWords · 02/02/2026 15:11

YABU to care so much. It's only a typo or an insignificant little grain of ignorance. It doesn't really reduce people's ability to communicate or think, like some errors do.

I see a lot of the errors mentioned on this thread in professional emails though. Things like affect/effect, loose/lose, advise/advice, averse/adverse as well as ECT. These are words which you would expect to be in the vocabulary of a reasonably educated person. Misusing standard words or terms does give the impression that someone is poorly educated or lacks basic literacy.

Theseventhmagpie · 02/02/2026 16:17

How can people not know this?

Scampuss · 02/02/2026 16:22

YABU because it is not etc, it is etc. with a full stop.

If you're going to be a pedant, you do need to be right.

Ladyluckinred · 02/02/2026 17:00

Imlyingandthatsthetruth · 02/02/2026 08:20

No. Let's push back on these "I'm so affronted" posts. It's light hearted FFS, but at the same time it's pointing out a common, irritating mistake. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Yes, but don’t you think that if someone points out a mistake, they should actually highlight the correct form rather than another common mistake, “etc.” instead of “etc”? Otherwise, they’re just perpetuating another incorrect version.

I don’t mind being corrected. On Mumsnet, though, it’s rarely a genuine correction - it’s usually followed by loads of laughing faces and turns into a pile on. I’ve seen it happen many times, which is why the OP encouraging this behaviour (while having terrible punctuation herself) is so ironic.

I make plenty of mistakes, so I know I’m not perfect. It makes far more sense to polish my own writing before trying to “educate” others - as was so patronisingly put by the OP.

God, I’m far too invested in this thread 😂. Bloody wannabe pedants drive me mad!

Squirrelsnut · 02/02/2026 17:00

grumpygrape · 02/02/2026 14:36

'the word "bureaucrat" (thanks predictive text!) is a weakness of mine - I can just never get it right first time!'

Bankrupt, chauffeur, necessary, consensus, are a few of my bêtes noire, or is it bête noires ?

I can hardly ever remember manouvere or restaurant. I remember the latter by thinking the annoyed diner would RANT if their meal was bad (I always spelled it restaraunt otherwise!). Like there's A RAT in separate.

PleasantPedant · 02/02/2026 17:04

separate - like karate Smile

HidethebiscuitsitsNellie · 02/02/2026 17:15

YesSirICanNameChange · 02/02/2026 15:18

Ooh for "necessary" I was taught at school, "you need a C to See the Sea". No idea how it helped me remember, or what context it's supposed to link to, but I always think of it when writing necessary!

Chauffeur is another of my tricky ones.

Edited

We were taught (for necessary) 1 coat, 2 socks.

Also, professor - 1 frock, 2 socks.

edited to add: when I’m tired, I have to really concentrate on there, their, they’re.