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Benefits explosion- where will it end?

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TheBlueKoala · 30/01/2026 11:37

"PIP benefits explosion: Anxiety and depression handouts have nearly TRIPLED to £4.3bn since Covid - with autism and ADHD bill hitting £2.2bn and 'back pain' £1.6bn"

Something is not right here. When I have written before on here telling about people I know who claim for anxiety although they have rich social lives (funded by 440£ extra per month from PIP) I've had many people telling me that it's not possible etc. It sure is. How many 16 year olds are claiming PIP for anxiety?

Instead of benefits why not pay for therapy- invest massively in the NHS mental health support so that people with anxiety, adhd and autism can see a therapist regularly to help them. This would make a difference for tje individual and the society. Throwing out money won't.

AINBU- I agree with about
AIBU- No, extra money is always useful

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15510221/PIP-benefits-anxiety-depression-austism-ADHD-pain-Covid-Labour.html

PIP anxiety and depression benefits near TRIPLE to £4.3bn after Covid

The grim picture emerged in a breakdown of how much Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is being paid out for specific conditions.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15510221/PIP-benefits-anxiety-depression-austism-ADHD-pain-Covid-Labour.html

OP posts:
Seagullstopitnow · 30/01/2026 13:46

Fancycrab · 30/01/2026 12:01

I think more money should be invested in education for employers & work places around neurodiversity and anxiety/depression and money spent on ‘reasonable adjustments’ to make working life more accessible & attractive for people who feel held back by their illness or neurodiversity. Speaking from experience, when it comes to depression & anxiety, being given hand-outs long-term and not being able to experience the sense of purpose & fulfilment (and even just distraction sometimes) that working can give you only makes depression & anxiety worse.

This will not happen.
What will happen is that other staff members will carry that burden.

I've no idea what the answer is, but it's not educating employers. They are not there for handholding and making work attractive, they are there to turn a profit.

Insidelaurashed · 30/01/2026 13:47

I'd like to see a decent amount of money put into a campaign that makes it clear that PIP is not an out of work benefit. That for some people, PIP makes working possible. Someone who struggles to take public transport because of anxiety may be spending that on taxis to work. If they didn't get PIP. their wage would not cover their bills, so they may have to choose between heating and eating. I, for one, am happy to think that some of my tax money is going to help people who need a bit more support to get through life.

I also say this as someone with Fibromyalgia and ADHD who needs some extra help myself, but have never had the brain power to fill in the PIP forms and to be honest don't think I am 'ill' enough to qualify. I pay for a cleaner because I struggle to do the cleaning, and I work from home because being in an office was causing so much burnout. I eat more ready meals and pre-prepared veg than your average person and that can be expensive. Luckily my wage just about covers it but with PIP I'd be able to pay for things like massage, which helps my pain but is out of my budget, and a weekly not fortnightly clean.

PotsPies · 30/01/2026 13:48

Pricelessadvice · 30/01/2026 13:45

Fully agree OP, but you’re not allowed to express an opinion about benefits on this forum.

As an autistic person who has been medicated for depression for 25 years, has an autoimmune disease, a diagnosed chronic back complaint involving herniated discs, and narcolepsy, yet still manages to work because I was raised to believe there was no choice and that you had to just get on with it, I can’t even think about the amount of money that goes on PIP without getting annoyed.

Do you work FT?

Dollymylove · 30/01/2026 13:48

They should probably be looking at why so many people seem to have ADHD nowadays. 20 years ago nobody had even heard of it.

Fodencat · 30/01/2026 13:48

randomchap · 30/01/2026 12:20

Yay, the daily benefit bashing thread.

It's going to be full of ill-informed idiocy as usual

I’m neither ill-informed nor an idiot. I do believe there are people who suffer immensely. I do also believe that others are jumping on the bandwagon. I know of a kid of 16 who hasn’t been in school for at least two years because “he doesn’t like people”. No idea if he’s allocated any benefits. The point I'm making is too many people are choosing to opt out of society and expecting the government to fund them. What a waste of a life.

PotsPies · 30/01/2026 13:48

Dollymylove · 30/01/2026 13:48

They should probably be looking at why so many people seem to have ADHD nowadays. 20 years ago nobody had even heard of it.

Better diagnosis

Funnywonder · 30/01/2026 13:49

Pricelessadvice · 30/01/2026 13:45

Fully agree OP, but you’re not allowed to express an opinion about benefits on this forum.

As an autistic person who has been medicated for depression for 25 years, has an autoimmune disease, a diagnosed chronic back complaint involving herniated discs, and narcolepsy, yet still manages to work because I was raised to believe there was no choice and that you had to just get on with it, I can’t even think about the amount of money that goes on PIP without getting annoyed.

The fact that you are able to work is irrelevant. Many people who claim PIP are working. Many of them are only able to work BECAUSE they claim PIP. It’s not a competition to see who has the most health problems and can keep going. Some can. Some can’t. Because we’re all different.

80smonster · 30/01/2026 13:49

Surely everyone is eligible at this point. Maybe we should all claim too…

Antiquerosegold · 30/01/2026 13:49

tumbletoast · 30/01/2026 12:11

Aha I knew this would be a DM thread. So predictable.

You could do with learning some critical thinking skills if you're going to read the DM. It's rage bait.

Bingo. Think you have won the argument by accusing those opposing your view as lacking "critical thinking".

Jellybunny56 · 30/01/2026 13:49

I agree with the premise absolutely. Mental health services are horrendously underfunded, support is really lacking, I do think if more money could be funnelled in that direction we would see less people relying not just on PIP but on UC as well- if people could get the help they need when they need it we would have far less people who feel unable to work.

One of my best friends suffers terribly with her mental health, it was getting progressively worse a few years ago and she was desperate for support, begging the GP weekly, she was added to a wait list which was months and months long. She made an attempt on her life during that time, thankfully an ambulance was called and arrived in time, we & her family were actually quite relieved as we thought surely this would be the catalyst for her finally getting the help she desperately needed. She was in hospital for less than 24 hours and then sent on her way with a piece of paper on “how to be happy” which had lots of helpful hints on such as- go for a walk, spent time with an animal, have a hot cup of tea, eat a nice meal (yes really, wish I was joking) and a referral to MH services for therapy, the same list she had already been on for months with no appointment on the horizon. It is woeful, if the support was there to prevent people getting to that point we would be far better off altogether.

scottishgirl69 · 30/01/2026 13:50

PIP fraud also runs at less than one per cent. If people think Pip and lcwra are easy to get. They haven't been through the process themselves. Of course there are always people who know someone who goes out every weekend and they "aren't disabled".

If someone looked at me they wouldn't think I was. Pip and lwrca are a lifeline for many people - and if people do know people who are fraudulently claiming - why don't you report them?

Pricelessadvice · 30/01/2026 13:50

PotsPies · 30/01/2026 13:48

Do you work FT?

Yes. I had a period of 2 years part time in my twenties when I got very ill from my autoimmune condition.

LadyKenya · 30/01/2026 13:50

80smonster · 30/01/2026 13:49

Surely everyone is eligible at this point. Maybe we should all claim too…

Go ahead. Come back, and let us know how you got on.

Penelope23145 · 30/01/2026 13:50

80smonster · 30/01/2026 13:49

Surely everyone is eligible at this point. Maybe we should all claim too…

I'm thinking this myself. Dread getting out of bed each morning to go to work after working in horrible occupations for over 40 years. thinking of going down the depression and anxiety route myself so that i don't have to take my private pension early.

Badbadbunny · 30/01/2026 13:50

@Jimmyneutronsforehead

I agree with you wholeheartedly that if the advantages outweigh the negatives then more people will take up work but that will also include workplaces becoming more accessible to people with disabilities and more support for those of us who want to be self employed.

I agree. A LOT more needs to be done to support employers to take on people with disabilities, both practical, physical and mental support. There's some support for physical workplace adaptations for physically disabled people, but little support and awareness for ADHD, autism, aspergers, etc. People with, say, aspergers, can probably fulfil multiple types of work to a high standard, but often it's not the work itself that's the problem, it's the people around them, the workplace setting, etc. Workers usually expect all their colleagues to be "like them" and unintentionally cause anxiety and stress to others, even with simple acts like asking them out for group pub quizes, departmental meals, training activity days etc - things which can be really stress inducing and uncomfortable for some people. It takes a strong personality to say a solid no when there's workplace pressure from your colleagues to socialise etc. (Of course the same happens at school as ND pupils often have a miserable time due to bullying etc).

As for self employment support - yes, a huge YES, that support is desperately needed. I'm a small business accountant and have a lot of "disabled" clients, many of whom are running successful businesses. A lot of that is due to their "freedom" to create their own workplace, choose their own clients, choose their own work, choose their own hours, etc - i.e. the freedom away from the constraints of the "typical" workplace. I'd say half and half between physical and mental health conditions (but obviously, I'm no expert, just my observations as to how they look and how they behave). One guy who ran a "home office" based business as a marketing/commission/affiliate online business re company formations, mailing addresses, phone answering, etc - he didn't do that himself, he just set up websites and "subcontracted" his newly acquired clients to firms that did, taking finders fees, commissions, etc. I never actually met him in person for a few years as everything was done via email - I never even spoke to him on the phone. But for a particular reason, I had to visit him at home. I knew he was disabled because of his disability benefits he received, but I had no concept of how disabled he was - without wanting to sound awful, he was severely disabled, in a high tech wheelchair, and looked comparable to Stephen Hawking - he could barely speak and using eye recognition and joystick to type on his computer! I remain amazed to this day that he managed to set up and run a relatively successful small business with such physical disabilities!

We definitely need more grants/support etc for employers to take on disabled staff and more importantly to encourage disabled people to start their own self employments.

ScarlettSarah · 30/01/2026 13:51

TheThinkingEconomist · 30/01/2026 13:45

You curiously forget the other side of the equation.

Productive taxpayers are forced to work longer and harder to subsidise you.

So yes, it does matter.

Ok, clearly you haven't read my other posts. I do work. And I'm not claiming PIP.

But I believe it's the mark of a civilised society to care for the weakest and most vulnerable. Children, the elderly, the disabled, the unwell. It's the mark of being a decent human being to care for others, not merely see their worth in their economic contribution.

What do you suggest- that these groups are left out for the vultures?

peacefulpeach · 30/01/2026 13:52

Fodencat · 30/01/2026 13:48

I’m neither ill-informed nor an idiot. I do believe there are people who suffer immensely. I do also believe that others are jumping on the bandwagon. I know of a kid of 16 who hasn’t been in school for at least two years because “he doesn’t like people”. No idea if he’s allocated any benefits. The point I'm making is too many people are choosing to opt out of society and expecting the government to fund them. What a waste of a life.

Yep. But it’s not ‘the government’ funding them, it’s us. It’s the everyday tax payer funding benefit scammers . Paying our hard earned wages - for free- to people who can’t be bothered earning a penny.

TirednessOnToast · 30/01/2026 13:53

MotherofPufflings · 30/01/2026 12:04

We need to know urgently why so many more people are struggling with their mental health to the extent that they need PIP. What has changed in society to make life so much more difficult for so many people? I'm not convinced that it's all down to poverty and cost of living crisis etc because it seems to be affecting younger adults disproportionately.

Well, in the case of my Autistic /SEN YP: both had their education hugely affected by Covid. Anxiety is co-morbid for many people with ASD and support for that is pretty non existant everywhere.This was all at a crucial time in their development. (A 'generation' affected?) But, they were always Autistic & that is a lifelong neurodevelopmental difference. (whether that is increasing or being increasingly diagnosed is perhaps a different conversation - I think it is perhaps being diagnosed more due to a widening of criteria & the fact that modern life is ever increasingly demanding & overstimulating all at the same time)

We live rurally and they cannot drive (won't be able to). I'm physically disabled & less able to drive now. Bus routes cut. Very little employment for teens here & what there is is often zero hours & those hours are 'antisocial' (kitchen work at Spoons, finishing at 1am, or local bakery (start time at 3.30am) all needing lifts.

Covid / NHS effects lasted longer for some than others:
In particular, 1 of my young people has permanant heart scarring post Covid & is hugely affected. The other had lung problems for about a year but is improved now. I am still on a waiting list for surgery since 2019 (MP now involved)

We are seeing the results of long term neglect of NHS MH investment. Add in continuing aftershocks of Covid, economic instablity & SM/isolation. It's a perfect storm. But the people to blame are not autistic/ADHD teenagers (or their carers)

PIP is NOT given for a diagnosis - it is given according to need - how much you struggle with different elements of independent living. It is not easy to get & 'fraud' rates are really low. Fraud rates in business/ politics are much higher.

Lastly, the biggest 'benefit claimants' are pensioners.

BeGreenBiscuit · 30/01/2026 13:53

Greenwitchart · 30/01/2026 13:45

Here we go, another benefit bashing thread...

Daft and tedious...

PIP is an extremely difficult benefit to apply for and to be awarded. The DWP own stats show that fraud is close to zero.

We have an ageing population so it is normal that more people will develop long term health conditions/disabilities in their lifetime.

No matter how successive governments chose to ignore it Covid and lockdowns have also affected the physical and mental health of the nation.

Mental health services have been starved of funding. In my area there is a five years waiting list for autism assessments...

As for employers do you really think that they want to employ and retain people who have to declared long term health issues on their job application?

But I guess it is easier to scream about "explosion" rather than looking at facts.

Edited

I don't think the op meant old folk. The issue is people who can go to work don't want to. 18 to 24 year olds are suffering with there mental health and are becoming work shy because they was not prepared or taught resilience in their young life. I think people do need to take responsibility for their own well being unless their mental is that bad but how is it measured?

Foundress · 30/01/2026 13:54

SnoopyPajamas · 30/01/2026 13:07

We need a reform of society. Reform the inflexibility of the system, and the benefits cliff edge that makes it difficult for so many people to take up part time work. Reform child care. Reform the forty hour work week that is causing so much burnout. Reform housing, so people aren't pouring half their income into rent with no return. Improve social mobility - stop demanding unnecessary credentials for entry level positions. No-one needs a degree to answer the phone and reply to emails.

It's really very simple. If the advantages of work outweigh the negatives, people will work. If the system is so broken people can't afford to participate, they won't. People will endure the stigma of being unemployed if it gets them help with rent and keeps a roof over their head. They will stay home with the kids and make cutbacks to their lifestyle, if the cost of childcare makes working impossible. They will accept the shame of unemployment and struggle to survive on a low income, if they're too burned out or chronically ill to function, and they've hit a wall.

There are some people who have no interest in work and would rather live off "the system". There always have been. But the explosion in benefits claimants we're seeing speaks to major problems with society. Structural problems. We can't keep ignoring them.

Edited

Excellent post @SnoopyPajamas I completely agree.

Pricelessadvice · 30/01/2026 13:54

And of course the DWP are going to report that false claims are nearly zero 😅

Does anyone genuinely believe that?? Because I know of at least 3 people off the top of my head who are bending the truth to get benefits. If everyone knows even 1 person doing it, that’s a lot of people.

Fodencat · 30/01/2026 13:54

peacefulpeach · 30/01/2026 13:52

Yep. But it’s not ‘the government’ funding them, it’s us. It’s the everyday tax payer funding benefit scammers . Paying our hard earned wages - for free- to people who can’t be bothered earning a penny.

Yep and this kid will never contribute to society. He will never have finished his education. Never be gainfully employed. Never know what it’s like to work and save and do nice things. It’s actually appalling.

PotsPies · 30/01/2026 13:54

I saw this one poster (late 20s) who said she can't work at all. Not even part time because every job she had made her ill. She can't even help her primary school level son with HW because it's too difficult even for her.

But I checked her other posts on her hobbies and yet she can play on her Nintendo switch for hours, doom scroll on her phone and watch Netflix. But she can't work.

This is why I said 99% as and not 100%

But these are just small edge cases whereas most people need PIP.

Shrinkhole · 30/01/2026 13:55

x2boys · 30/01/2026 13:26

Well obviously, but a diagnosis alone doesnt guarantee an award ,
If you can independently care for, yourself, feed yourself, undertake a journey from A to B then you are unlikely to awarded regardless of your diagnosis.

Agreed

Surely everyone would agree that a PP’s severely autistic non verbal son with the cognitive age of a toddler cannot and will not be able to work and needs benefits. However other people with ASD who are less severely affected can work. Should Chris Packham get PIP? Same diagnosis but very different needs.

I know people with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder who can work, including in very demanding jobs like medicine, and those with the same conditions who will never be able to. All properly diagnosed just there is a spectrum of severity to all these things.

TigerRag · 30/01/2026 13:56

Pricelessadvice · 30/01/2026 13:54

And of course the DWP are going to report that false claims are nearly zero 😅

Does anyone genuinely believe that?? Because I know of at least 3 people off the top of my head who are bending the truth to get benefits. If everyone knows even 1 person doing it, that’s a lot of people.

And you haven't reported them because?

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