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To not get the visceral levels of hatred people have for Keir Starmer

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LastChristmasigaveyousomesocks · 29/01/2026 19:58

I’m not suggesting he’s the greatest prime minister ever. I’m not even suggesting he’s good at all. But some people really, really passionately hate him.

He is a bit insipid and doesn’t have much charisma but overall he seems like a decent enough bloke who perhaps lacks the political skill and acumen he needs. He’s out of his depth basically.

But that’s not a reason to actually despise someone is it?

When did we get to a point where we can’t just disagree without painting the other person as the devil incarnate?

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Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/02/2026 14:35

MunicipalDarwinism · 01/02/2026 14:32

£29.50? 😁

The Telegraph has rather dumbed down of late but is still readable. Although I wish they would get that awful picture of Prince Andrew off the top of their website which has been there two days now!

MunicipalDarwinism · 01/02/2026 14:37

BIossomtoes · 01/02/2026 14:30

Official stats? Presumably there’s a link to them?

Here you go. SeekingAlpha is right, but the image they wish to paint (healthy, able-bodied people with no very young children or other caring responsibilities, sitting on their arses and not being required to look for work) is a bit different in reality.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-9-october-2025/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-9-october-2025

eta the important bit for ease of reference:

As people move across from legacy benefits, the composition of people on Universal Credit continues to change. At first, Universal Credit was only available to working age individuals with no children who were seeking employment. Over time, Universal Credit was made available to people in different circumstances, including those migrating over from health-related legacy benefits.

The number of people on Universal Credit in the ‘searching for work’ conditionality regime had a peak of 2.4 million in March 2021. The latest number of people on Universal Credit in the ‘searching for work’ conditionality regime was 1.6 million in October 2025.

The number of people on Universal Credit in the ‘no work requirements’ conditionality regime has been rising, reaching 4.0 million in October 2025. This overtook ‘searching for work’ as the largest conditionality regime in April 2022 and is happening as people make new claims to Universal Credit and migrate across from Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) as part of Move to UC.

ChickenPet · 01/02/2026 14:40

MunicipalDarwinism · 01/02/2026 14:16

It is still behind a paywall for me BIossomtoes ☹️

You can use websites that bypass them

BIossomtoes · 01/02/2026 14:40

MunicipalDarwinism · 01/02/2026 14:37

Here you go. SeekingAlpha is right, but the image they wish to paint (healthy, able-bodied people with no very young children or other caring responsibilities, sitting on their arses and not being required to look for work) is a bit different in reality.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-9-october-2025/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-9-october-2025

eta the important bit for ease of reference:

As people move across from legacy benefits, the composition of people on Universal Credit continues to change. At first, Universal Credit was only available to working age individuals with no children who were seeking employment. Over time, Universal Credit was made available to people in different circumstances, including those migrating over from health-related legacy benefits.

The number of people on Universal Credit in the ‘searching for work’ conditionality regime had a peak of 2.4 million in March 2021. The latest number of people on Universal Credit in the ‘searching for work’ conditionality regime was 1.6 million in October 2025.

The number of people on Universal Credit in the ‘no work requirements’ conditionality regime has been rising, reaching 4.0 million in October 2025. This overtook ‘searching for work’ as the largest conditionality regime in April 2022 and is happening as people make new claims to Universal Credit and migrate across from Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) as part of Move to UC.

Edited

Thank you. So a fair proportion of those have moved from legacy benefits to universal credit so effectively aren’t new claims.

MunicipalDarwinism · 01/02/2026 14:42

BIossomtoes · 01/02/2026 14:40

Thank you. So a fair proportion of those have moved from legacy benefits to universal credit so effectively aren’t new claims.

Exactly.

SeekingAlpha · 01/02/2026 14:45

Whichever way you choose to cut it, the welfare bill is a political hot potato, and one which is sure to bite Labour in the derrière in May (for the sake of balance, there are other hot potatoes, including immigration, the cost of living, u-turns etc etc).

MunicipalDarwinism · 01/02/2026 14:46

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/02/2026 14:35

The Telegraph has rather dumbed down of late but is still readable. Although I wish they would get that awful picture of Prince Andrew off the top of their website which has been there two days now!

I agree with you about the photo, but the filthy scumbag is longer a prince.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/02/2026 14:49

MunicipalDarwinism · 01/02/2026 14:16

It is still behind a paywall for me BIossomtoes ☹️

As no one else seems to want to help you, here you go. Apologies for any dodgy pasting.

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Britain is on the cusp of an economic boom – no thanks to Labour
The UK’s private economy has an extremely healthy balance sheet. But it must fully embrace AI

Rachel Reeves and Sir Keir Starmer
Labour may benefit from cyclical and global economic forces beyond its controlCredit: Oli Scarff/Getty Images
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
International Business Editor
28 January 2026 7:00am GMT

The British economy is in the early stages of a powerful cyclical recovery, and perhaps the highest growth rates for a generation.

It portends a virtuous circle for the UK’s public finances, and is likely to reshape the political landscape beyond recognition over the next three years.

As we enter 2026, the country is sitting on the coiled springs of a pent-up credit boom.

This has little to do with Government policies, though Labour may be the beneficiary of cyclical and global forces beyond its control – unless the self-indulgent malcontents on its backbenches squander their good luck by inflicting another gothic horror show on an exasperated nation.

The private sector has been through a debt deleveraging equal to 100pc of GDP since the peak in 2008. Households have paid down £600bn of mortgage debt, their debt-to-income ratio has dropped from 165pc to 121pc.

Companies have retrenched in lockstep. Total private debt has dropped from 185pc to 132pc of GDP. The turn-around is astonishing.

You can view this debt repayment as a sign of past weakness – or a logical response to the Bank of England’s monetary squeeze – but the outcome is that the private UK economy now has an extremely healthy balance sheet.

Advertisement

The cleansing dwarfs the rise in public debt, which makes you wonder whether the reaction to the Truss mini-Budget in 2022 was really a case of market infantilism.

Data from the Bank for International Settlements show that the UK is today one of the least indebted countries in the developed world.

For the record, the total debt-to-GDP levels are: Japan (377), France (324), Canada (309), Netherlands (303), China (294), Switzerland (277), Belgium (275), Sweden (270), US (247), Italy (234), UK (219), and Germany (197).

David Owen, from Saltmarsh Economics, says the media narrative of bankrupt Britain has been a travesty.

“People just wrote us off. Now the stars are aligned and I think the UK can easily surprise on the upside, with growth of 2-3pc down the line,” he said.

Capital Economics expects inflation to drop to 2pc by April, clearing the way for a cut in interest rates to 3pc this year.

A global supply glut is driving down the cost of oil and gas and amounts to a large net income transfer back to fossil-importing states, the mirror image of what happened at the outset of the Ukraine war.

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Britain is on the cusp of an economic boom – no thanks to Labour
The UK’s private economy has an extremely healthy balance sheet. But it must fully embrace AI

Rachel Reeves and Sir Keir Starmer
Labour may benefit from cyclical and global economic forces beyond its controlCredit: Oli Scarff/Getty Images
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
International Business Editor
28 January 2026 7:00am GMT

The British economy is in the early stages of a powerful cyclical recovery, and perhaps the highest growth rates for a generation.

It portends a virtuous circle for the UK’s public finances, and is likely to reshape the political landscape beyond recognition over the next three years.

As we enter 2026, the country is sitting on the coiled springs of a pent-up credit boom.

This has little to do with Government policies, though Labour may be the beneficiary of cyclical and global forces beyond its control – unless the self-indulgent malcontents on its backbenches squander their good luck by inflicting another gothic horror show on an exasperated nation.

The private sector has been through a debt deleveraging equal to 100pc of GDP since the peak in 2008. Households have paid down £600bn of mortgage debt, their debt-to-income ratio has dropped from 165pc to 121pc.

Companies have retrenched in lockstep. Total private debt has dropped from 185pc to 132pc of GDP. The turn-around is astonishing.

You can view this debt repayment as a sign of past weakness – or a logical response to the Bank of England’s monetary squeeze – but the outcome is that the private UK economy now has an extremely healthy balance sheet.

Advertisement

The cleansing dwarfs the rise in public debt, which makes you wonder whether the reaction to the Truss mini-Budget in 2022 was really a case of market infantilism.

Data from the Bank for International Settlements show that the UK is today one of the least indebted countries in the developed world.

For the record, the total debt-to-GDP levels are: Japan (377), France (324), Canada (309), Netherlands (303), China (294), Switzerland (277), Belgium (275), Sweden (270), US (247), Italy (234), UK (219), and Germany (197).

David Owen, from Saltmarsh Economics, says the media narrative of bankrupt Britain has been a travesty.

“People just wrote us off. Now the stars are aligned and I think the UK can easily surprise on the upside, with growth of 2-3pc down the line,” he said.

Capital Economics expects inflation to drop to 2pc by April, clearing the way for a cut in interest rates to 3pc this year.

A global supply glut is driving down the cost of oil and gas and amounts to a large net income transfer back to fossil-importing states, the mirror image of what happened at the outset of the Ukraine war.

Advertisement

The International Energy Agency expects anaemic demand to soak up just a third of the 5.6 million barrels a day of extra crude hitting a saturated market over 2025 and 2026. Brent prices have fallen towards the bottom of their historical range in real terms.

Spot gas prices have spiked because of Europe’s winter freeze, but long-term TTF contracts have barely moved. Contracts for winter of 2027 are trading at under €25MWh, a drop of more than 90pc from the wild levels four years ago. Britain’s energy crisis is yesterday’s story.

German Keynesian rearmament and infrastructure spending are starting to feed through to both European and British defence industries, helping to lift Greater Europe out of its semi-eternal slump.

The US is heading for a pre-electoral economic blow-off. Fiscal policy is swinging from a net contraction of 1pc of GDP in 2025 to a net expansion of 1pc of GDP this year as front-loaded stimulus from the “one big beautiful bill” hits an economy already on fire.

Far from taking away the punch bowl, the Federal Reserve is adding more rocket fuel by cutting rates and injecting an extra shot of market liquidity by relaunching bond purchases of $40bn (£29.1bn) a month.

productivity shock in the US, where the Atlanta Fed’s GDP snapshot is tracking a growth rate of 5.4pc – even though the jobs market has slowed to a crawl.

The US is a few quarters ahead of Britain in AI investment and diffusion. It has already been through the downward leg and the trough of the AI J-curve. It is now on the fast-accelerating upward leg.

The AI J-Curve is a term coined by Prof Erik Brynjolfsson, head of Stanford’s Digital Economy Lab. Productivity dips before it rises. Companies have to reconfigure their systems, retrain workers and invest large sums before they see any return.

productive forces of the country to pay for runaway benefits and the thought-crime apparatus.

But on AI at least, it is hard to fault the overall strategy of this Government. Nor do I fault Labour’s plan to raise public investment to 2.6pc of GDP. That at least is better than the self-defeating starvation of core infrastructure that has blighted this country for so long.

It is going too far to suggest that the British economy is entering a perfect positive storm but those running down this country, almost by force of habit, may be in for a big surprise.

It is time for investors to go “long Britain

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/02/2026 14:50

MunicipalDarwinism · 01/02/2026 14:46

I agree with you about the photo, but the filthy scumbag is longer a prince.

Oh yes good point!

MunicipalDarwinism · 01/02/2026 14:52

Thanks for posting that @Pineneedlesincarpet

EasternStandard · 01/02/2026 14:53

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/02/2026 14:35

The Telegraph has rather dumbed down of late but is still readable. Although I wish they would get that awful picture of Prince Andrew off the top of their website which has been there two days now!

There’s one of Mandelson now you’ll need eye bleach for. Labour will be squirming on that one.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/02/2026 14:55

EasternStandard · 01/02/2026 14:53

There’s one of Mandelson now you’ll need eye bleach for. Labour will be squirming on that one.

Oh god why did you make me look!!! 😆This is excruciating!! What are those underpants!!???

iloveecats · 01/02/2026 14:57

I’ve enjoyed reading all of these posts this morning, thanks all.

I’m still broadly with @Pineneedlesincarpet @SeekingAlpha @ChickenPet @EasternStandard and others

Do I hate Starmer? Nah. Too much energy wasted to do that. Though I do think he’s a hypocritical smug epitome of Peter’s principle. He nay go he may not, frankly his replacement will be Even worse. We’ve still got 3.5yrs of this shit, sadly. Well onwards and upwards stay positive in the face of utter incompetence and bitterness.

(ref Thatcher I admire her for being the strong woman in a sea of average men, achieving much. However there’s no doubt that she decimated life for many people in the North. Extremely sad and though it may have been necessary it should have, could have, been done differently and in a less devastating fashion).

Finally most pay walled web pages can be accessed here. Simply add the url and search. Doesn’t work with a VPN on.

https://archive.ph/

SeekingAlpha · 01/02/2026 14:58

EasternStandard · 01/02/2026 14:53

There’s one of Mandelson now you’ll need eye bleach for. Labour will be squirming on that one.

Oh yes - now permanently seared in my memory.

Another despicable POW.

SunnySideDeepDown · 01/02/2026 14:59

SeekingAlpha · 01/02/2026 11:21

Sure you do.

So, nothing to do with the policy disasters and u-turns, then?

What, policy disasters and u-turns that literally every political party makes?!

Why did you say “sure you do”? Are you trying to insinuate I’m being untruthful? That’s my genuine opinion, whether you agree with it or not doesn’t bother me at all.

Alexandra2001 · 01/02/2026 14:59

SeekingAlpha · 01/02/2026 14:25

Oh, I do believe that Madam will find the DT offers much more besides.

Take investigative journalism, for example - the DT pursued and broke the Rayner tax-evasion story, without which, our cheating friend might still be at it - depriving the public purse of much needed funds…

Edited

Careful, not yet proven she evaded tax... which is illegal...

HMRC have yet to decide...

Interesting you seem to want her career to end but what about Zahawi, who was found guilty of evasion on a grand scale....he paid over £5m to settle with HMRC.... now of course in the Reform party... which apparently many seem to support.

The DT of course wasn't too bothered about Zahawi, so it was left to others to uncover this tax dodging Tory...

SunnySideDeepDown · 01/02/2026 15:03

iloveecats · 01/02/2026 14:57

I’ve enjoyed reading all of these posts this morning, thanks all.

I’m still broadly with @Pineneedlesincarpet @SeekingAlpha @ChickenPet @EasternStandard and others

Do I hate Starmer? Nah. Too much energy wasted to do that. Though I do think he’s a hypocritical smug epitome of Peter’s principle. He nay go he may not, frankly his replacement will be Even worse. We’ve still got 3.5yrs of this shit, sadly. Well onwards and upwards stay positive in the face of utter incompetence and bitterness.

(ref Thatcher I admire her for being the strong woman in a sea of average men, achieving much. However there’s no doubt that she decimated life for many people in the North. Extremely sad and though it may have been necessary it should have, could have, been done differently and in a less devastating fashion).

Finally most pay walled web pages can be accessed here. Simply add the url and search. Doesn’t work with a VPN on.

https://archive.ph/

Edited

Who are you hoping gets in? Back to the Tory shitshow that had no success in over a decade? Or Reform, an even worse prospect?

Our political system doesn’t work and they’re ALL liars. Zero integrity and real political beliefs now, they all bend to the masses. But, like OP, I’d love to know who you think would be better. So far, I’ve more or less agreed with all the policy changes over the past year. I think Keir’s made some good calls and Rome wasn’t built in a day. So many people think Labour should undo the shit the Tories caused in 2 months, it’s laughable.

EasternStandard · 01/02/2026 15:03

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/02/2026 14:55

Oh god why did you make me look!!! 😆This is excruciating!! What are those underpants!!???

Sorry ; grim ik. Lots of dodgy and worse stuff coming out, high levels of money transferred etc. He tried to cover it previously by saying he didn’t know. Not looking good.

SunnySideDeepDown · 01/02/2026 15:04

Aren’t most politicians tax dodging middle class (wankers)?

Let’s not try to act like it’s an individual thing.

Alexandra2001 · 01/02/2026 15:05

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/02/2026 14:49

As no one else seems to want to help you, here you go. Apologies for any dodgy pasting.

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Britain is on the cusp of an economic boom – no thanks to Labour
The UK’s private economy has an extremely healthy balance sheet. But it must fully embrace AI

Rachel Reeves and Sir Keir Starmer
Labour may benefit from cyclical and global economic forces beyond its controlCredit: Oli Scarff/Getty Images
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
International Business Editor
28 January 2026 7:00am GMT

The British economy is in the early stages of a powerful cyclical recovery, and perhaps the highest growth rates for a generation.

It portends a virtuous circle for the UK’s public finances, and is likely to reshape the political landscape beyond recognition over the next three years.

As we enter 2026, the country is sitting on the coiled springs of a pent-up credit boom.

This has little to do with Government policies, though Labour may be the beneficiary of cyclical and global forces beyond its control – unless the self-indulgent malcontents on its backbenches squander their good luck by inflicting another gothic horror show on an exasperated nation.

The private sector has been through a debt deleveraging equal to 100pc of GDP since the peak in 2008. Households have paid down £600bn of mortgage debt, their debt-to-income ratio has dropped from 165pc to 121pc.

Companies have retrenched in lockstep. Total private debt has dropped from 185pc to 132pc of GDP. The turn-around is astonishing.

You can view this debt repayment as a sign of past weakness – or a logical response to the Bank of England’s monetary squeeze – but the outcome is that the private UK economy now has an extremely healthy balance sheet.

Advertisement

The cleansing dwarfs the rise in public debt, which makes you wonder whether the reaction to the Truss mini-Budget in 2022 was really a case of market infantilism.

Data from the Bank for International Settlements show that the UK is today one of the least indebted countries in the developed world.

For the record, the total debt-to-GDP levels are: Japan (377), France (324), Canada (309), Netherlands (303), China (294), Switzerland (277), Belgium (275), Sweden (270), US (247), Italy (234), UK (219), and Germany (197).

David Owen, from Saltmarsh Economics, says the media narrative of bankrupt Britain has been a travesty.

“People just wrote us off. Now the stars are aligned and I think the UK can easily surprise on the upside, with growth of 2-3pc down the line,” he said.

Capital Economics expects inflation to drop to 2pc by April, clearing the way for a cut in interest rates to 3pc this year.

A global supply glut is driving down the cost of oil and gas and amounts to a large net income transfer back to fossil-importing states, the mirror image of what happened at the outset of the Ukraine war.

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Britain is on the cusp of an economic boom – no thanks to Labour
The UK’s private economy has an extremely healthy balance sheet. But it must fully embrace AI

Rachel Reeves and Sir Keir Starmer
Labour may benefit from cyclical and global economic forces beyond its controlCredit: Oli Scarff/Getty Images
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
International Business Editor
28 January 2026 7:00am GMT

The British economy is in the early stages of a powerful cyclical recovery, and perhaps the highest growth rates for a generation.

It portends a virtuous circle for the UK’s public finances, and is likely to reshape the political landscape beyond recognition over the next three years.

As we enter 2026, the country is sitting on the coiled springs of a pent-up credit boom.

This has little to do with Government policies, though Labour may be the beneficiary of cyclical and global forces beyond its control – unless the self-indulgent malcontents on its backbenches squander their good luck by inflicting another gothic horror show on an exasperated nation.

The private sector has been through a debt deleveraging equal to 100pc of GDP since the peak in 2008. Households have paid down £600bn of mortgage debt, their debt-to-income ratio has dropped from 165pc to 121pc.

Companies have retrenched in lockstep. Total private debt has dropped from 185pc to 132pc of GDP. The turn-around is astonishing.

You can view this debt repayment as a sign of past weakness – or a logical response to the Bank of England’s monetary squeeze – but the outcome is that the private UK economy now has an extremely healthy balance sheet.

Advertisement

The cleansing dwarfs the rise in public debt, which makes you wonder whether the reaction to the Truss mini-Budget in 2022 was really a case of market infantilism.

Data from the Bank for International Settlements show that the UK is today one of the least indebted countries in the developed world.

For the record, the total debt-to-GDP levels are: Japan (377), France (324), Canada (309), Netherlands (303), China (294), Switzerland (277), Belgium (275), Sweden (270), US (247), Italy (234), UK (219), and Germany (197).

David Owen, from Saltmarsh Economics, says the media narrative of bankrupt Britain has been a travesty.

“People just wrote us off. Now the stars are aligned and I think the UK can easily surprise on the upside, with growth of 2-3pc down the line,” he said.

Capital Economics expects inflation to drop to 2pc by April, clearing the way for a cut in interest rates to 3pc this year.

A global supply glut is driving down the cost of oil and gas and amounts to a large net income transfer back to fossil-importing states, the mirror image of what happened at the outset of the Ukraine war.

Advertisement

The International Energy Agency expects anaemic demand to soak up just a third of the 5.6 million barrels a day of extra crude hitting a saturated market over 2025 and 2026. Brent prices have fallen towards the bottom of their historical range in real terms.

Spot gas prices have spiked because of Europe’s winter freeze, but long-term TTF contracts have barely moved. Contracts for winter of 2027 are trading at under €25MWh, a drop of more than 90pc from the wild levels four years ago. Britain’s energy crisis is yesterday’s story.

German Keynesian rearmament and infrastructure spending are starting to feed through to both European and British defence industries, helping to lift Greater Europe out of its semi-eternal slump.

The US is heading for a pre-electoral economic blow-off. Fiscal policy is swinging from a net contraction of 1pc of GDP in 2025 to a net expansion of 1pc of GDP this year as front-loaded stimulus from the “one big beautiful bill” hits an economy already on fire.

Far from taking away the punch bowl, the Federal Reserve is adding more rocket fuel by cutting rates and injecting an extra shot of market liquidity by relaunching bond purchases of $40bn (£29.1bn) a month.

productivity shock in the US, where the Atlanta Fed’s GDP snapshot is tracking a growth rate of 5.4pc – even though the jobs market has slowed to a crawl.

The US is a few quarters ahead of Britain in AI investment and diffusion. It has already been through the downward leg and the trough of the AI J-curve. It is now on the fast-accelerating upward leg.

The AI J-Curve is a term coined by Prof Erik Brynjolfsson, head of Stanford’s Digital Economy Lab. Productivity dips before it rises. Companies have to reconfigure their systems, retrain workers and invest large sums before they see any return.

productive forces of the country to pay for runaway benefits and the thought-crime apparatus.

But on AI at least, it is hard to fault the overall strategy of this Government. Nor do I fault Labour’s plan to raise public investment to 2.6pc of GDP. That at least is better than the self-defeating starvation of core infrastructure that has blighted this country for so long.

It is going too far to suggest that the British economy is entering a perfect positive storm but those running down this country, almost by force of habit, may be in for a big surprise.

It is time for investors to go “long Britain

Interesting last 2 paragraphs.. thankyou, most informative, esp on investment or rather lack of it over the last 14 years of the Tories.... .... its almost as if he had a few MN posters in mind.... 😂

But on AI at least, it is hard to fault the overall strategy of this Government. Nor do I fault Labour’s plan to raise public investment to 2.6pc of GDP. That at least is better than the self-defeating starvation of core infrastructure that has blighted this country for so long
It is going too far to suggest that the British economy is entering a perfect positive storm but those running down this country, almost by force of habit, may be in for a big surprise

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/02/2026 15:06

Alexandra2001 · 01/02/2026 15:05

Interesting last 2 paragraphs.. thankyou, most informative, esp on investment or rather lack of it over the last 14 years of the Tories.... .... its almost as if he had a few MN posters in mind.... 😂

But on AI at least, it is hard to fault the overall strategy of this Government. Nor do I fault Labour’s plan to raise public investment to 2.6pc of GDP. That at least is better than the self-defeating starvation of core infrastructure that has blighted this country for so long
It is going too far to suggest that the British economy is entering a perfect positive storm but those running down this country, almost by force of habit, may be in for a big surprise

Actually many of the comments below point out the incompatibility of Ai and our energy policy.

SeekingAlpha · 01/02/2026 15:06

Alexandra2001 · 01/02/2026 14:59

Careful, not yet proven she evaded tax... which is illegal...

HMRC have yet to decide...

Interesting you seem to want her career to end but what about Zahawi, who was found guilty of evasion on a grand scale....he paid over £5m to settle with HMRC.... now of course in the Reform party... which apparently many seem to support.

The DT of course wasn't too bothered about Zahawi, so it was left to others to uncover this tax dodging Tory...

Rayner? Not at all - please bring her back on to the pitch, and red card Starmer.

It’s only proper that Zahawi was brought to task. As to the Independent, which broke the story, that’s the function of a free and fair press, isn’t it? You will not find any objections here.

SeekingAlpha · 01/02/2026 15:11

SunnySideDeepDown · 01/02/2026 14:59

What, policy disasters and u-turns that literally every political party makes?!

Why did you say “sure you do”? Are you trying to insinuate I’m being untruthful? That’s my genuine opinion, whether you agree with it or not doesn’t bother me at all.

13 Labour u-turns to date, and counting.

The combination of combative stances and capitulations has many debilitating effects. It makes the prime minister look weak. It is a disincentive to loyalty, because ministers who dare to defend unpopular positions in public soon enough discover they were wasting their time. Above all, it signals an absence of strategic direction for a prime minister who came to office pledging to fulfil various “missions” but has not yet communicated a coherent sense of purpose.

The government is without ambition or achievement. Commitments to renewable energy, planning reform, infrastructure investment, enhanced rights for workers and renters could all be woven into a narrative of national renewal and collective security. But articulation of a grand vision is not in Sir Keir’s natural skill set.

GUARDIAN.

Alexandra2001 · 01/02/2026 15:14

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/02/2026 15:06

Actually many of the comments below point out the incompatibility of Ai and our energy policy.

Edited

Actually, i thought the article rather even handed, all things considered, obv no credit to Labour initially, but public sector investment is desperately needed, roads, transport, hospitals, power all been neglected by the Tories for far too long.
Which the Author acknowledges.

Our energy policy is very much evolving, again after years of the NetZero Tory ideas.

iloveecats · 01/02/2026 15:43

SunnySideDeepDown · 01/02/2026 15:03

Who are you hoping gets in? Back to the Tory shitshow that had no success in over a decade? Or Reform, an even worse prospect?

Our political system doesn’t work and they’re ALL liars. Zero integrity and real political beliefs now, they all bend to the masses. But, like OP, I’d love to know who you think would be better. So far, I’ve more or less agreed with all the policy changes over the past year. I think Keir’s made some good calls and Rome wasn’t built in a day. So many people think Labour should undo the shit the Tories caused in 2 months, it’s laughable.

Well I won’t ever vote for Labour again. I won’t vote for Reform. The greens are an incompetent basket case.

Ref Labour, As @BundleBoogie posted a few pages ago..

Labour so far have been :
‘cancelling elections,
shutting down free speech,
writing new blasphemy laws,
ignoring the Equality Act, and
ignoring the Supreme Court judgement’.

Shocking isn’t it.

Labour have also been enabling reform voters. Because instead of trying to understand people’s concerns, Labour and Labour supporters are flinging around serious accusations of racism.

Anyone with a brain can see where this is leading. The question is, why are they allowing it to happen. Consequences of an unchecked reform gvt are potentially disastrous. As I said - Labour and many of their supporters are currently enabling this to happen.

That leaves the Conservatives. Kemi is excellent and has become a more viable option to lead the party to victory in 3.5yrs.

As support for reform wanes (based on shit performances in eg. Lancashire as I type, and on others including soon to be Reform eg. Gorton and Denton (Starmer’s fault 💯 %) , the electorate will see the conservatives as the only way forward. Despite the fact Labour are trying to buy votes by handing out benefits like lollys at a funfair, they forget that many benefit claimants simply don’t vote.

In sum I look forward to a Conservative government in 3.5yrs undoing the shit Labour have implemented.

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