to feel uneasy about what this means long term rather than surprised by the weight regain itself?

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I’ve just read a BBC article about research into weight loss injections like Ozempic and Wegovy showing that people who stop taking them tend to regain weight quite quickly.

I’m not shocked that weight comes back. That happens after most weight loss attempts whether they involve medication or not.

These drugs are increasingly talked about as something people might take for years or even indefinitely. That raises questions for me about what happens when someone cannot afford them anymore, when supply changes, when side effects become an issue or when a person simply does not want to stay on a medication for life.

If stopping leads not just to regain but to a fairly rapid rebound, it feels less like a temporary aid and more like something that is very hard to step away from once started. That sits oddly with how casually they are sometimes discussed.

AIBU to think the real issue here is not that people regain weight after stopping, but whether we are quietly normalising a treatment that may be difficult to discontinue once begun? Or is this simply the reality of managing a chronic condition?

Well you look stupid now dont you because thats not what people have been doing, people have been providing information about how they work, what happens, what the research says.

Slightly different ot people like the OP and yourself.

Why are people who are seemingly allergic to any discussion and not able to restrain themselves from reacting in this hostile way, in an attempt try to shut it down, not able to simply bypass it, the way the rest of us do when we find a subject triggering?

This is an excellent question.

What is the discussion you actually are having then?

What are your points to be made, what is your position exactly?

Because so far it involves the risk of people putting on weight when they dont take the medication any more, industrial waste and misuse

So as with any medication, what makes this one out for your specific special interest?

Are you 'uneasy' for example about drugs that cause weight gain that some people have to be on for life which would also cause industrial waste and are also those likely to be misused (gabapentin springs to mind off the top of my head as with many in that line of work)

OP, would you say you know much about obesity generally?

I think most people on WLI have thought through the implications of taking them

its not like there is no information on them, there is an article daily in the press talking about hair loss, gallstones, damage to the pancreas etc (they don’t mention that those issues happen with any rapid weightloss)

i think thats why some people get defensive and do correct misinformation (insulin, short term illness etc) and why some people who keep getting this type of ‘curiosity’, from MN, friends, family etc do sometimes go on the attack

it must be tiring to be told that you haven’t thought it through or that you are making a mistake or that you are lazy or greedy and why can’t you do it the ‘normal’ way all the time

and i know that some posters on here will say its not what they intend or what they are doing but thats not necessarily the way its being received because its happening constantly

i haven’t really experienced this in RL, I have had to correct a smidge of misinformation….mainly the one from people who think you have the jab and loss a stone the next day 😀 but everyone i know has been genuinely interested in how it works, a few would like to go on it but don’t like the idea of taking medication or the cost but most have no interest in taking it themselves.

Oh and before i get told again to get off the thread if i find it triggering

A) I don’t get triggered by stuff like this, i have a genuine interest in peoples opinions

B) even if i did find it triggering i do think its peoples lived experience shoukd be heard

C) misinformation should be countered…not that I feel the urge to do it talking about the jab specifically. Its comments regarding illnesses being self inflicted and that all people need to do to loss weight is eat less and do more when actually that does not work for a number of people

I don’t really agree with this. It assumes that choosing WLI automatically means someone has fully thought everything through and that anyone asking questions must be judging or criticising. That just isn’t always the case. People ask questions for lots of reasons. It does not mean they think someone is lazy or greedy.

I also think there is a tendency to read bad intent into any questioning at all. Not every “have you thought about X” is an attack. If every question is treated as judgement, then no one can say anything.

I get that it must be tiring to feel like you are constantly having to justify yourself. But feeling worn down does not automatically make the discussions unreasonable and it does not mean going on the attack is the only understandable response.

People can post a thread for whatever reasons they want, they do not need to have an objective, they do not reveal anything about themselves. Even if it has been posted thousands of times, they can post again if they want. As long as they are not breaking the talk guidelines of course.

The poster said most users, not all. And I agree with them looking at threads on here and Reddit, people are very well educated and more than able to make decisions on their health. Most does not mean all.

and people take into based on posts made, an example would be everything you posted was negative, at no stage did you look to balance it with the positives. So people can assume you were simply wishing to be negative about the meds for your own reasons.

had you posted about the health benefits, the societal benefits, the environmental impacts of all the meds and treatments people needed due to obesity and offset it with the tiny environmental impact of the wli, your arguments would have appeared balanced.

but yoh didn’t,

People can post on whatever angle they wish to. They do not have to follow guidance from other posters. If people are getting so worked up then leave the thread.

Simple.

It is fascinating though about how people react.

What’s fascinating is you repeatedly instructing other people to leave the thread. It’s almost as if you don’t want anyone in the conversation who doesn’t agree with you.

It’s also fascinating that you would start a thread on a subject you know nothing about and then not want to hear from the people who do. If I started a thread about say, the dangers of rock climbing, I would specifically be wanting to learn from the people who do it and therefore have knowledge of the subject.

I’m not telling people they have to agree with me. I’m saying that if someone is getting worked up or clearly unhappy with the direction of the discussion, they’re not obliged to stay.

Starting a thread doesn’t require expert status. People start threads all the time for various reasons.

OP what would you say your level of knowledge about obesity and WLIs was, before starting the thread? I can see that you don't feel you're an expert, which I agree isn't a necessity to start an MN thread.

Its clear you are very unhappy with the direction of discussion

You highlight things to express your unease or concern and dont like the correction of that

So the drugs create industrial waste, just like any other drug and not as much as other drugs as per the list I put forward. No comment about that?

So the drugs stop working when you stop taking them, no shit. Just like all the other medications there are. No comment about that?

So you say the drugs make weight gain 4x more likely than other slimming methods but the research isnt on real life cases and doesnt take account of the amount lost over all which is much more than other slimming methods, no comment about that?

So the drugs can be misused, just like any drugs particularly the opioid painkiller drugs around, no comment about that?

So what is the discussion about exactly? Whats your point?

Op why did you ask, I specifically responded to your post , with a valid come back and you immediately flew off the handle, once again telling people to leave the thread.

stop giving it if you cannot cope with anyone coming back at you. You also don’t need to stay on the thread if it’s upsetting you.

Flew off the handle? 😂

I didn’t say you can’t start a thread on something you’re not an expert about 🙄 I said that it’s weird to ask a question about something you don’t know about and then not be interested in answers from people with experience and knowledge of it.

See the rock-climbing example I used. If I started a thread because I was “concerned” that people were putting their lives in danger going climbing, or “concerned” that it’s an expensive hobby they might not be able to afford, I’d be specifically looking to hear from the people who actually go rock climbing.

You on the other hand have ignored or disparaged every answer from people who know anything about WLI, posted negative link after negative link, and repeatedly challenged anyone who disagrees with your narrative to report the thread and leave.

That is what people are taking issue with.

Telling people to leave the thread does come off as flying off the handle yes. Or at least as having a strop.

It’s as comical as you telling people to leave the thread as they are upset or triggered.

honestly you keep dishing it out but clearly hate it coming back to you.

Yes! And apparently you should leave your own thread!

I think you’ve got that backwards. It’s OP repeatedly telling people to leave the thread.

I mean this thread has not been started in good faith at all. Im amazed its still standing.

That really made me laugh 😂

I mean, it is entirely possible to leave your own thread. If you realise you’ve been a bit of a dick and people have seen through your ‘concerned’ act…

I agree. There is little incentive to “cure” obesity. Managing it indefinitely is far more convenient and far more profitable for the pharmaceutical companies.

But they are curing it, they are now working on a once and done injection.its called gene therapy, and they are also working on a monthly one. So once again you’re talking nonsense.