To reckon that Reform will win the next election, and to be utterly terrified about it? 😪

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

i am a leftie

I think they’ll win

If don’t, they’ll have the majority in a hung parliament and govern as a minority party before joining with the Tories.

i’m going to tighten my belt re running my home and prepare for onslaught as the country becomes unrecognisable

If they win they will scrape in, but they will elect a load of freaks and enough will leave the party that they won't maintain a majority long. The smaller party in a coalition gets screwed, if the Tories have sense, they will say no and maybe just vote for policies they agree with

They're literally just the Tories now? Why are you "terrified"?

@Ioweyounothingnothingatall wouldn't surprise me if private health care gets unaffordable for many people who use it regularly. I think unless you are v wealthy most people will be far worse off under Reform.

@onpills4godsake whatever hardship you are experiencing, you can bet it will quadruple with Reform. There won't be an NHS to moan about.

But if we do lose the NHS, whose fault is it? The Tory and Labour governments for running it into the ground. It’s been so long since we had a decent NHS, I’ve forgotten what it looks like. It’s an impossible hill to climb. If the NHS survives, it has to be in a different form to what it is currently. And that might mean tweaking it to partially privatise. Since when have people started to accept it’s normal to have such an awful health service? Have we just sleep walked into it? There’s not one solitary thing that’s good about it. How bad does it have to get before people admit it? We can’t afford to be nostalgic about a service that’s not fit for purpose.

They've just won in a by-election in my local area. It was previously held by Labour.

I do hope so

Mass immigration was facilitated by the previous Tory government, I thought - not because they simply adore human rights and have some kind of postmodern aversion to borders, but because, I should imagine, their donors were pleased by the economic consequences (such as increased demand for housing driving up rents, and wages being undercut)

I am afraid reform voters watch gb news all day. They will ignore these facts cos Nige told them so

Wow you’ve really swallowed everything you’ve been fed. Good puppy

Some of my lefty friends want Reform to win. Dose of fascism to wake people up from their torpor. I used to be a bit like that when I was young like them. You want to give the kaleidoscope a good shake in the hope of getting a better result.

But now - if I still lived in Blighty - I'd settle for a grand coalition of everyone who isn't completely barking mad. And I suspect something of that ilk will happen.

Er… yes they very much can and they are now formed with Tory rejects.

Well hopefully there will be a Brejoin. Majority want this now.

And it seems you've not been awake with your eyes open!

There is growing speculation that Khan has ambitions beyond his current role and may be positioning himself as a future challenger to Starmer. Many people believe these political shifts are not happening in isolation, but are influenced by powerful global interests and elite forums such as Davos, where international policy directions are often shaped.

My concern is that, without a significant change in national leadership, the UK risks drifting toward policies that reduce personal freedom and democratic accountability. Ideas such as excessive central control, restrictions on movement, and diminished access to locally produced food feel increasingly plausible to many citizens — and I strongly oppose that trajectory.

The Labour Party appears more focused on appeasing external interests and political allies than on protecting the long-term sovereignty and wellbeing of the country. In doing so, it risks sacrificing national priorities and public trust.

If current trends continue unchecked, I fear that Britain’s cultural and political identity will change in ways that many people neither voted for nor support. I already feel like a minority in my own country - and it’s only going to get worse.

Attacking Farmers? you mean a u-turn on IHT and handing out billions in support to replace the CAP ?

Supermarkets stuff over Farmers on pricing and its Trumps Tariffs that have wrecked milk prices, US farmers unable to sell Soy to China have dumped it on world markets, crashing feed prices and leading to over production of milk = lower prices - Dairy is a commodity like all others.

Chagos? so we ignore International courts! & its a deal the Tories negotiated, supported by the US... we would then have a legal basis to challenge anyone entering Chagos waters, something cannot do now.

Chinese Embassy? the building sold to the Chinese by the Tories, when the USA wanted it and then gave outline pp for an Embassy....

Regardless, the Chinese have several sites all over London, all these will close down and they will be in one place, far better to mitigate risk - if there even is any, as fibre moved and in any case, its all heavily encrypted and shielded against interference...

Reform on the other hand.... have seen a prominent leader & close friend of Farage, jailed for 10years for spying for Russia.... Supported a referendum backed and funded by Putin, Farage appeared on Russian Today multiple times, making a fortune....

The Left have IMPOSED mass immigration on this country, and they have IMPOSED a new identity on us. No one asked for it, and no one voted for it

Hilarious!
Bojo, then Sunak imported 5m people from SE Asia and Africa... in just 3 years... none will ever go home, changing communities forever.

The 'right also took us out of the EU, so opening the doors to cross channel immigration, we had none before, as the threat to send back migrants under Dublin Treaty worked.

Do you think the Establishment, having seen what happened with the Brexit vote will let this happen?

I think this is a very naive reply.

We need farmers probably more than most other occupations (apart from doctors, etc.). They grow and produce a lot of our food which we could not easily or cheaply import from elsewhere.

Why should we 'give back' territories which belong to us just to appease a small section of society? The Chagos Islands are strategically placed to aid our (and US) security and defence.

Do you really trust the Chinese to be completely above board with this proposed HUGE embassy?

We need farmers, but plenty of farming businesses are run as businesses and won't be affected by inheritance tax because an individual isn't set to inherit the asset lockstock; did you know 20% of britain's farms produce 80% of our food? Why are we paying directly into the pockets of and giving tax breaks to the 80% that are producing 20? It's time it all got tidied up and became a proper meritocracy; our food supply is important.

A large percentage of Reforms budget is targeted towards selling the message online that a Reform victory is inevitable, to nudge voters and donors into jumping on the ‘winning’ bandwagon.

Reform is socially hard right and economically hard left. Their position would destroy our economy and country.

Phase 1 was a Brexit and everyone can see how that turned out. The majority of people don’t want Farage and his one topic pressure group anywhere near Number 10. Taking in Braverman made it clear they are desperate. Now they are all over every newspaper comments section and social media trotting out identical talking points to try and turn this own goal into a win. It’s very transparent.

I won't vote for them, probably none of the others either.
In my opinion a large proportion of every party are awful, corrupt, incompetent snakes.
I have no idea what any of our futures will be , I have never seen such chaos in politics.

The Embassy is combining several Chinese sites into one and has been cleared by the Security Services.

If you truly believe China is a security risk, then they shouldn't even have an Embassy.

Russia has its Embassy over 3 sites, given Russia has threatened us with Nuclear weapons, might be worth looking this rather than one of our largest trading partners.

The UK no longer has deep security interests in the Indian region, this is outdated now.
Personally, i'd hand it over to the USA to deal with.

Maybe Reform will be better at running the country than the shower of shit we've endured for decades. No question mark btw, because it's rhetorical (obviously; they're a brand new party).

Quite why anyone can still vote for the status quo when they're living the miserable existence it has inflicted upon them is the perplexing aspect. Just so you can proudly say you're a leftie? No one, except you, actually cares about how terribly virtuous you are.

The only people I can relate to now politically are those who are politically apathetic (scunnered, as we say in Scotland). When someone proudly commits their support to any of the established left/right parties my thought is gosh how foolish, turkeys voting for christmas. I can at least understand why a person is tempted by a new party; reform may prove as ineffectual as the others (i'd go as far as to say it's likely!) but it's an unknown. People voting thus are, at least, voting for change.

as the country becomes unrecognisable …
That’s pretty funny for a Tuesday morning, thanks