To reckon that Reform will win the next election, and to be utterly terrified about it? 😪

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i am a leftie

I think they’ll win

If don’t, they’ll have the majority in a hung parliament and govern as a minority party before joining with the Tories.

i’m going to tighten my belt re running my home and prepare for onslaught as the country becomes unrecognisable

Presuming we're not talking about unrecognisable as in no longer being an utter shithole.

@SabrinaCarpetCleanerPrecisely 🤦🏻‍♀️😂

Yes they are but just like Brexit, its all a Wish List.... no policies based on reality.

So Farage announces a 20k tax threshold, weeks later, its now an "aspiration"

He said he'd STOP the BOATS on day 1 !! then "no we cannot, need to change the law..."

Plus how do you deport people where there is no means of getting there or refuse their citizens?

Yes the Status Quo is broken but the people who helped break it, are now in Reform....

You may trust people like Zahawi, Braverman, Jenrick and god alone who else will join but i don't and neither do 75% of those eligible to vote.

Voting for "Change" when you ve no idea what that change will bring is never wise.
Things can always get considerably worse.

How do you not think Reform will be a disaster?

The reason we're stuck in the cycle of the two party system is because the 'could get considerably worse' line is habitually peddled. While things get considerably worse.

I don't trust any of them, I thought I'd made that clear. And none of them stick to their manifesto, lets not pretend thats unusual just because we're talking Reform.

"purely sickening" suggests that this is not something they're in favour of.

It does seem to me that the way the two parties are going about, if they wanted reform in place, this would be the way to go about it.

I think the reason why reform will get power is the inability of people to have a sensible grown up political debate without getting offended.

the cancel culture and the blanket labelling of voters as racist or extremist won’t change their votes or engage them it just pushes them further in that parties direction

people should be able to disagree about politics and still be friends - civil.

the minute you label someone wrongly you lose credibility with them

So you’d rather have Labour who have lied again and again and are spending a ridiculous amount on migrants!!

Nope, it'll be because of the constant anti Labour media, its been non stop from July 24.
Started with perfectly legal expenses and gifts properly declared and has continued ever since.

People have often complained that Politicians should change tack if their policy is wrong but when Labour do that, its "another damaging U-turn..."

Good things like Renters Rights or the latest today on Lease Holder ground rents all ignored.

Meanwhile the Russian links on Reform... all ignored.

I don't even support Starmer or many Labour policies but Christ the bias they have against them is unbelievable.

I do agree with you. Also, I find, that if you are not pro Reform it's assumed that you are pro uncontrolled immigration and that is far from true in most cases.

A sensible conversation would move us all in the right direction but some politicians and media outlets really don't want that, they want division for their own ends.

I spent last week touring the North of England and ate in a different pub in a different town/city every night. I spoke with different people every evening - all sorts of people. We often had wildly different views but there were no rows, no name calling, we just chatted, found common ground, agreed to disagree where we needed to and had a pleasant time. If we were in pubs more and on line less the mood would change..

Labour are financially inept, look at the disaster re the rise in NI, sheer incompetence. Incompetence re justice -two tier Keir. Corrupt politicians having to resign, countryside hating agenda, yes, let’s just build over it and decimate traditions.

Quite frankly my 13 year old could run the county better.

The left has pushed the “be ashamed of Britain agenda too far” we need something more extreme to push it back to centre. Ie reality. I hope Reform win and I hope they ensure that British culture is protected,

illegal immigration….

How on earth can you say that?

This country was bouncing along quite well (for most) between the 80s and the mid/late 2000s
Living standards year on year increased, further and higher education free, heck even Thatcher built my nearest city a huge new hospital.

Then came 2010 and Austerity, 14 years of cuts more cuts and Brexit, everything went downhill.

You expect any new Govt to fix that inside 18months??

How long would you give Reform?

Agree and anyone supporting the uni party that have covered up the rape and abuse of thousands of children need to hang their heads in shame

I pray to god they win and get Kweir out , sensible people will vote reform as we want our country back

You are unhinged.

Personally, I think you're bonkers worrying about Reform being elected. I'm actually worried for everyone that Starmer will stay and Labour will limp on until the next election. That won't happen now though. He's stopped Andy Burnam from standing for Labour so the far left will be up in arms. Will Starmer change his mind? Why not he's done it 14 times in 18 months already so another once shouldn't make a difference. Reform are not going to charge for NHS at the point of contact. They will be cutting benefit bills and they will be dealing with the problems of immigration, justice, prisons, taxes and the list goes on. Why would anyone want a government that hates its own voters, prioritises migrants over the UK residents. Do you realise we tranlate English in this country into 29 different languages, only country in the world that does this. Just an example of the woke nonsense employed by this government. Be afraid of Labour and the Tories, neither tell the truth and if anyone thinks that voting for a hypnotist with the power to change breast sizes or Ed who presided over the post office scandal is a good idea, you really need help.

I hope they do and I'll definitely be voting for them. I have always voted for conservative but Starmer is the worst ever Prime Minister in history. I have never voted labour as they just support people who don't want to work and are content to receive benefits from those who do.

The culture wars won't feed you. Reform will solve sweet fuck all whilst making sure billions flow into the super rich's pockets.
For crying out loud wake up. It's all lies.

I hope you are being unreasonable.

and I’m equally worried

In the meantime, I would encourage everyone to educate themselves on what the agenda is regarding women's roles. We are always a couple of years behind the US. This administration has a lot of influence on populist parties like Reform. This is an excellent explainer of the policies proposed by the Heritage Foundation (the single most influential conservative think tank which has direct access to the current US administration):
Don't think it won't affect us if we let their mouthpieces into power over here. same applies to the rest of Europe by the way.

You mean like Milliband's crony mates or Starmer/Hermers Chaigos deal. You've been conned for 40 years FFS by both parties. Time to give someone else a chance, they are unlikely to do any worse

They really are and it's 100% certainty.

The problem, & the most scary thing, is that while they're floundering about & smashing things up, a future government will have an Augean stables job on their hands trying to put it right. Example: if they do achieve their dream of US style 'healthcare', it will be a very long time before we get it back, if ever. I am disappointed with Labour but they are, fundamentally, getting stuff done - their comms are awful & they keep u turning on things as if they hadn't really thought it through. I also squarely blame the electorate, from top to bottom, who want all the good things but want someone else to pay for it. When asked to play their part, they start to bleat & demand 'change' without thinking for a heartbeat about the country or their fellow citizens. The British really aren't as nice as we fondly believe & take far to much for granted. We'll be in for a shock when the life we've had since the 50s isn't there any more.

I'm a leftie too but I think even Reform voters will be put off reform at this rate. I think many people voted reform because they were sick or the tories, but now many tories are joining reform! I don't know who they'll vote for instead though