To reckon that Reform will win the next election, and to be utterly terrified about it? 😪

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

i am a leftie

I think they’ll win

If don’t, they’ll have the majority in a hung parliament and govern as a minority party before joining with the Tories.

i’m going to tighten my belt re running my home and prepare for onslaught as the country becomes unrecognisable

Yes, Poor + Poor = Even poorer than post Brexit!

Immigration has halved under Labour

It would be interesting to hear more about what existing Reform MPs (those who were voted for as Reform, not the Tory turncoats) and councils are achieving for their constituents.

For example, how has Farage performed in his constituency since the election?

If we heard more about this we could get a feel for what type of government they would be.

I am very concerned too. I do wonder (and hope) if they don’t end up being swallowed up by infighting and dodgy deals due to the sheer number of dodgy fuckers in the party and the egos on them all.

My gut feeling about Reform is that it will disappear up its own backside. Their policies are sticking-plaster, knee jerk and short sighted. The Reform run councils have been unable to deliver on promises of cutting benefits and other costs.
They get a lot of media attention which makes them seem more influential than they are. How many MPs do they have? 6? 7? That’s about 1% of elected MPs. I think we will find they have clay feet.

I was thinking this.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

However looking at the predications ^^ and predications for a few seats I know I do now wonder. Though polls and election results do vary and we are years out from a general election.

Can't be worse than Labour or the Tories.

I think that why they look to be doing well - they get media attention but popularity of main parties is dropping like a stone - everyone is fed up with them and wants something different but unsure where to look.

But Farage never gets scrutinised - that's the problem. He has the billionaire media owners in his pocket. It's so corrupt. Reform really are the party of the elite yet they have managed to hoodwink working class people into thinking they will represent their interests. It's terrifying.

Than you for this. An interesting read and informative. 👍

Exactly this, they have barely any MPs and most of them are unelectable. They won’t win. Labour will due to the split vote on the right.

The big problem Reform has is finding quality candidates. The have to find thousands for local elections in May as well as for the two national elections. So far, no Reform candidates have been announced for the Senedd, not sure about Scotland.

I don't think we should be complacent, though. Tactical voting might be needed in the next GE.

It can.
For a start does it not give you pause that the absolute worst of the Tories are defecting to them?

I will be voting to get Labour out, whether that means Reform or Tory

Did you mention the £86bn investment in science and tech?
And legislation to bring an end to animal testing, scent hunting and puppy farms?

I don't think it's unreasonable. I am scared. Because I think current events should serve as a great example to us all that if we assume the 'state' only serves democracy, we are very wrong.
I would once have agreed, if they're that bad they'll get voted out, but now I see how subtle and insidious regime change can look at first.
Democracy is just taken for granted as a constant in the UK, but it was only 90 years ago that we had Oswald Moseley agitating and trying to form alliances with fascists whose names I don't care to repeat.
The obvious counterargument is that a Reform win is the result of a democratic process. But I don't believe they uphold democratic values. And that subtle tip into authoritarianism doesn't happen overnight.

It can.

But it is concerning that this is the attitude that a lot of people have.

This.

Kent : We will make our own DOGE and halve council tax.
Then they realised that was not possible and raised council tax by the same amount as every other council - 4.99%

Thanet : UKIP won control years ago and argued their way into oblivion within a year

Clacton : has Farage actually held a constituency surgery yet ?

Lincolnshire : running exactly as badly as the Tories ever did. Funny that.

Yes but which? How will you know which to back? R might look like a clear winner in your area then half the voters bottle it, vote C and labour get in.

The onus is on those who do not want them in power to ensure that they vote.
(A bonus would be ensuring that absolutely everyone possible does vote.)

Labour will sort the migration issue by being tougher than the Tories.

The Tories will rise like a phoenix yet again.

People will be seeing genuine improvements in the NHS.

Reform will have no reason to exist, following UKIP and the Brexit party.

I'm worried that Labour will stay in with another pathetic majority. (Starmer got less votes than Corbyn). I despise Starmer and everything he stands for with a passion.

Reform are the Tories.

Lee Anderson - ex Tory MP
Danny Kruger - ex Tory MP
Andrew Rosindell - ex Tory MP
Robert Jenrick - ex Tory MP and Cabinet Member
Suella Braverman - ex Tory MP and Cabinet Member
Sarah Pochin - ex Tory councillor
Ricard Tice - Ex Tory party member and donor
Nigel Farage - Ex Tory party member

But that is no different to people tactically voting to keep Reform out which is being suggested on this thread.

You can judge a man by the company he keeps.