To reckon that Reform will win the next election, and to be utterly terrified about it? 😪

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

i am a leftie

I think they’ll win

If don’t, they’ll have the majority in a hung parliament and govern as a minority party before joining with the Tories.

i’m going to tighten my belt re running my home and prepare for onslaught as the country becomes unrecognisable

Tories are probably where my vote will end up in the Scottish elections. Purely through other parties making themselves unelectable. I always vote but if it was between the SNPs or Greens then I just wouldn’t. What they are doing to women up here is just so abhorrent.

Yes, I agree!

I was watching you tube - UK poltcial commentatiors from various papers.

One of them was out talking to people in red wall areas who were saying they'd never vote labour again and would likely vote reform - and then he was saying what about Andy Burname - and it was oh yes we'd vote for him. One far right one very left - people want change less bothered by left and right.

They also seemed to think Reform was reaching peak of popularity and was causing itself issue with so may Boris Johnson Tory defecting to them and that nearer we get to polls more scrutiny on polices and past performance will come up. I'm not so sure but a week is a long time in poltics and there are years before next general election.

Here in wales I think Plaid Cymru are riding the need change wave - and have outpaced currently Reform - similar could happen in England - so another existing party manages to get traction. Labour may also change leader or Conversatives could start to look credible - plus tactical voting is well understood by the electorate here.

As an outsider to Wales, what do people think Plaid are going to do for them? And do the Welsh seriously support full independence for Wales? Seems a crazy idea to me - worse than Brexit. What about the £20 billion grant Wales gets from UK govt? Surely independence would just make everyone poorer

There are a lot of people here in Scotland who don’t care about the black hole in the finances that would be the result of an Indy vote. They’d sooner be living in a cave eating rats than remaining in the UK. It’s an opinion. Albeit one that’s hard to reason with.

I'm not wild about them - their uni funding propsals could hurt my youngest will have to wait and see,

Honestly - I think it boils down to give a shit about Wales.

Labour had 20+ years - NHS and Education they control are much worse state than England -council are under huge recycling pressure so small bins and 3 week collections - roads are a state - lots of dissatisfaction. A lot of funding seems to stay round Cardiff than Wales as a whole which may be a thing for some areas.

I don't think anyone really thinks they'd be delivering independence in next term - the SNP in Scotland with more seperation from England than Wales has had haven't done so yet.

It's usually Lab/Con at top two parties in UK paraliment elections - polls suggest it's Plaid Vs reform here currently. I'm very aware of SENEDD election coming up in May but other than Labour party trying to look more visible with post to us - not really heard much from parties yet so my vote is completely up for grabs.

Jeez now that would be a tough decision and one i may have to face, my area has always been a traditional Tory seat, first time we've had a Labour MP, who is very good.
Whether i would vote Tory to keep out Reform.... mmmmmm given Badenoch's views, there is nothing between them, on some issues' Reform are more left than the Cons....

Would be like choosing between "Do i want to be shot or hung?"

I would too...

To be fair it wouldn’t be as hard for me as it would have been pre 2024. This has always been a Tory constituency and the previous MP was completely useless. I actually approve of the new one, he’s hard working and takes his responsibility as a community leader seriously. If it was a choice between him and letting a Reform candidate in it would be a no brainer.

I'm not sure Sir Keir is changing his mind. The left are forcing changes on him.

He didn't deliver anything when he was an MEP for 20 years.
He's delivered nothing as an MP.
He will deliver nothing if he's ever in government.

That seems a bit harsh

Harsh but true.

I would do the same and feel the same about it.

Perhaps all of the real shites will have left them for Reform by then. It's still hard to imagine the Tories will have gained any competency, decency or integrity by the next election. At least they are a political party though and not a volatile business run by a racist bully and populated by the worst dregs of a failed Tory party.

How will they be a security risk?

True though.

I really hope Reform win power - along with millions of others. (I await the pile-on!)

No pile on from me. Just pity.

You're spot on, @Alexandra2001 .

My MIL, SIL and BIL all voted for Brexit and they're all now moaning about "boat people" coming over here "illegally". When I pointed out that the Brexit they'd voted for made entering the country to claim asylum much easier now we'd lost the Dublin Agreement right to return, they just looked at me blankly. They literally did not know what they were voting for.

And to add to my schadenfreude, SIL & BIL moved to a town that now has asylum seeker accommodation a few months before the asylum seekers were moved in. I'm afraid I can't resist pointing out that they voted for this every time they moan about it.

A lot of what people put out is misinformation anyway. Of course we had people getting asylum before Brexit it was highest in 2002 until recently.

Reform UK led councils are under performing and putting their council taxes up despite saying they would cut them. They've closed residential homes and also there has been resignations and sleaze. To be honest with the recent defections to Reform from the Conservatives it is becoming Tory party 2.0 plus all the defections are from those who held high up posts in the Tory cabinet and caused the mess and chaos that Labour are trying to address. Farage has no experience of government. The only experience he has is stirring up hate and dividing our communities and nation. Reform UK is not change it is Tory policies on speed!

This

i said i would never do it again but I might be forced to

Not a chance, they are a tiny party!

The Dublin agreement was a waste of time many more migrants came here than were returned. The Times did a FOI on it. Brexit didn't cause more migrants it was a choice made by Boris.

Yep the numbers are publicly available anyway. They were minuscule and we took more than returned. It’s not just us it’s how the DA is structured, it’s not a way to send many anywhere. If it could do that Germany, ROI and EU would be using it to resolve their issues.

That is could be used for high numbers is misinformation that gets repeated a lot.