To reckon that Reform will win the next election, and to be utterly terrified about it? 😪

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

i am a leftie

I think they’ll win

If don’t, they’ll have the majority in a hung parliament and govern as a minority party before joining with the Tories.

i’m going to tighten my belt re running my home and prepare for onslaught as the country becomes unrecognisable

Not sure how things could be worse than they are right now. Utterly depressing.

I’d be shocked if it happened or even came close to happening for that matter.

Exactly.

We said that about Brexit...

In another place, a certain document on the Reform UK's website was highlighted. I went to have a look at it, because I couldn't quite believe what was being said about it.
It's called 'Operation Restoring Justice' and is one of Reform's proposals, concerning immigration. In the document, Reform state that they will disapply the UN convention against torture.
It's there, on their site, written by them. I find it hard to fathom how people could support that.

Yes. And I didn't vote labour

No really,

All I can hope for is the tories strengthen up and get a strong leader and more of the questionable ones defect to reform. Im sorry but I don’t love this current Labour Party. They terrify me and the greens even more.

Only hell is worse than Reform because it’s for eternity.

I don't understand it either. To me, Starmer seems to be a hard-working man who is at least trying to put the interests of this country first. (How he must have cringed when he had to give Trump that very special invitation from the King. But it had to be done.)

The people who disagree with Starmer's attempts to get us out of this mess seem to hate him vastly more than they hate the previous government for getting us into this mess in the first place. And why do most of them have silly nicknames for Starmer which are all rhymes or puns based on his name? It's starting to sound weirdly cult-like.

I dont think they will win at all. They are gaining nasty tory rejects from the far right and corrupt end of the conservatives, they are aligned with Trump and far right views. You only need to look what is happening in America under Trump to have an inkling what Reform would bring to the UK. Some will vote but not enough to win. It will split the conservative vote and 2 party politics is over but they wont win. You only need to look at how badly they are running the local authorities they have to see what a bad job they would do in power. They have not fulfilled any of their promises - which is to be expected.

I don’t think they will, but labour is nit putting up good PR.

They are doing decent things but the billionaire- owned media just isn’t sharing them. Google what Labour have done in your area and you’ll be surprised.

I'm not sure they will now. I was worried because of the mobilisation of a large number of people who don't usually vote, but they like Reform for being a change. If it seems like it's same old same old under a different name, I don't think they'll suddenly become Labour voters, but they might not vote at all.

Listen to the voice of reason:
www.facebook.com/share/p/182wfJrwuW/

Sorry but I can't seem to reply to individual messages. Is there a problem with Mumsnet?

I have a friend who I suspect will vote Reform (as will many people I know in my area). This was cemented by the fact that she said she likes Trump because, "he gets things done".

7000 pubs closed down between 2010 and 2024... thats 500 per year, people are realising the damage alcohol does, then there is the price difference between supermarkets and pubs....

The rate of closure has dropped under Labour, not that is ever reported, instead headline in the Mail is "Reeves puts nail in High Street" BS....

Would you like alcohol duty removed for pubs? and how would you pay for that?

Reeves has cut business rates for pubs too.

Bond markets stable, first time in since Truss, tax receipts at record highs.... investment in NHS, defence companies booming (though thats rather worrying) US scientists coming here to work in life sciences, as Trump slashing funding for these in the USA.

I just want to give Starmer more than 18months.

Yes 100%

Look at his China visit? trying to drum up business by taking 60 uk business leaders with him.

Badenoch and others criticise and say we should have nothing to do with them, writing on the Telegraph, on their Lenovo (Chinese company) Laptops and Apple phones (manufactured in China)

I think PR lines are their forte how many times have you heard ‘money in your pocket’, ‘further and faster’ or similar.

Repeating lines doesn’t work, it’s not a PR issue, it’s how people are experiencing their government. If you’re the public sector or dependent on the state it might feel different, but not everyone is, so far anyway.

The majority know the PR already it doesn’t help.

My prediction (FWIW, probably not much) is that we'll end up with a messy coalition in 2029. Tories may have a bit of a resurgence (maybe 50 seats) from people who voted Labour in 2024 but who have now decided that wasn't a great idea (this is especially true if Labour lurches to the left under whichever new leader they elect to replace Keir- I don't expect him to last the term). My constituency v likely to swing back Tory at next election- I doubt it would go Reform. Reform will likely get a lot of seats but I don't think enough to form a majority. If Labour goes Left, the Greens could suffer. But how this all plays out seat by seat in a FPTP system is anyone's guess.

Yep its not all rosy but for the first time in history, we have a proposed rise in bridge tag tolls reversed, down to Labour MPs.

Did they get any credit? nope, it was all "the Bridge should be free"

Babcock, not a Public Sector company, has 1000s of job opening over the next 2 years in our locality and in Bristol and Scotland.

People say "oh its only good if you work in public sector" Well news for you all, public sector services are used by us all, inc by private sector employees.

On 2029 result..... No one is taking into account that 16/17 yo's will be able to vote, thats todays 13/14 yo's.

Very true BUT that’s supposing that people actually tune in to listen to political journalists / read news and inform themselves and don’t just think oh Farage is a laugh/I like what he says,/never tried this before /may as well give it a go ….blabla idiotic bla.
I seem to remember there was alot of googling what’s the EU after the flipping referendum😳🤢😡

In the interests of balance here’s what Labour have ACTUALLY done so far:

NHS

Given the go-ahead to a Puberty Blockers trial that will sterilise over 220 kids

Failed to uphold the Supreme Court ruling that sex is based on biology, resulting in Sandie Peggie and the Darlington nurses having to fight in court for the right not to have to undress in front of a man

Spent millions on DEI that could be better spent on front-line patient services

TRANSPORT

Focused funding on London while neglecting rural areas, and promoting expensive Electric Vehicles (EVs) while hiking up taxes on these.

HOUSING
Prioritised the housing of illegal migrants who are breaking our laws resulting in a housing crisis, while forcing us to pay billions on hotels, housing, and welfare for these people.

CRIME AND BORDER SECURITY
Failed to ‘smash the gangs’ and protect our borders. The ‘one in one out’ deal was a FARCE.

41K illegal migrants entered Britian last year, and only a tiny fraction has been removed.

EDUCATION
The new Curriculum will embed DEI and trans into every subject ensuring your children are fully indoctrinated.

Buried deep in Section 122 (2) (a) (iii) of the Children's Wellbeing bill is legislation that gives Ofcom the power to use ‘client-side scanning’ so the state can intercept your private messages by scanning your device before you send them. No, I’m not making this up

ECONOMY AND EMPLOYMENT
We’ve endured catastrophic mismanagement by Reeves! The economy is flat-lining, and we’ve the highest taxes since the 1940s. Hikes in employers NICs have led to more unemployment.

National debt has increased, we’ve low growth, and a crippling cost-of-living crisis.

Labour has targeted pensioners, farmers, small businesses etc. rather than dealing with the spiralling welfare bill and the cost of mass uncontrolled immigration

ENVIRONMENT
Destroyed our fishing industry by giving away our fishing rights to the EU.

COST OF LIVING
We’ve the worst cost-of-living crisis since WW2.

DEFENCE
While thousands of veterans are homeless, Labour is giving homes to illegals along with private healthcare. Our borders are wide open and until we leave the ECHR there’s little we can do about it.

Starmer has given the green light in the Troubles Bill to pursue vexatious prosecutions against veterans for carrying out their duties, resulting in a recruitment crisis in the armed forces.

So in summary:

· Taxes are up. Unemployment is up. Energy bills are up. The cost of living is up. The number of small boats is up. The number of homes going to illegal immigrants is up

· People’s living standards are down. Wage growth is slowing. Small businesses and high streets are being destroyed by higher taxes, business rates, and endless regulation.

· Soft-on-crime policies mean criminals are not punished and prisoners are let out early, including sex offenders and domestic abusers, while people go to jail for tweets.

· Democracy is under attack: elections have been cancelled. Free speech and jury trials are under threat.

· Starmer resisted a national inquiry into the mass rape of white working class children. This tells you all you need to know about this government.

· Everybody comes first except the British people who work hard, pay their taxes, and play by the rules.

I for one will be terrified if Reform do not win the next General Election because this government is wrecking our country.

P.S. If you’re still getting your news from BBC, Sky, Channel 4 and MSM, you will not have been told any of this as it is being hidden from the British people.

I wish he wouldn't.