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I was called a Spinster at work today, I was really offended.

379 replies

Seahorses12 · 25/01/2026 21:27

I do one day a week volunteer work, and today a woman I work with who I don't know very well asked me if I was married or had children. I replied that I wasn't and didn't have kids and she said disparagingly 'Oh, so your a Spinster. I have an aunt who's a Spinster.' It's such a horrible, judgemental term with negative connotations. No one has ever used it to my face before. I have a reasonably successful career behind me and I like my independance. I've had long term relationships with men but I'm currently single and have a lot of single friends. I feel belittled by this comment. AIBU?

OP posts:
nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 09:21

MikeRafone · 26/01/2026 09:17

Ive been thinking about this further from my thoughts as spinster meaning virgin, as it was used in church records to put status of the bride to be marrying in church. In the baptism registers bastard was used to describe a child born out of wedlock - the term bastard is not favourable, sometimes base child was used instead of bastard fully written, or illegitimate, spurious.

If someone told me there parents weren't married when they were born, I wouldn't say they were a bastard based on that, yet at one time it wasn't seen as incorrect to use that in a parish register

‘spinster’ was used on all marriage certificates until 2005

MikeRafone · 26/01/2026 09:22

Current use
The Oxford American English Dictionary defines spinster as "an unmarried woman, typically an older woman beyond the usual age for marriage". It adds: "In modern everyday English, however, spinster cannot be used to mean simply 'unmarried woman'; as such, it is a derogatory term, referring or alluding to a stereotype of an older woman who is unmarried, childless, prissy, and repressed."[6]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinster

Spinster - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinster#cite_note-OxfordAmer-6

MikeRafone · 26/01/2026 09:24

nicepotoftea · 26/01/2026 09:21

‘spinster’ was used on all marriage certificates until 2005

Yes indeed marriages from 1837 through to 2005 would have all used spinster, it was a uniform marriage certificate issued by both register office and church back in 1837 - as it copied the church records from before civil registration.

Traitorsisontv · 26/01/2026 09:26

Whilst technically correct it does come across as a bit of an insult. A somewhat aged insult.

It's also a bit of an entitled insult too, a looking down the nose one.

Having worked in the volunteer sector, and without wishing to denigrate the majority of normal people who work there, it does attract some oddballs.

My mind is drawn to the woman in the charity bookshop I worked in - anything slightly racy (or thought to be) and it went straight in the to be pulped bin.

NorthernGirl1975 · 26/01/2026 09:26

Sassylovesbooks · 25/01/2026 21:36

How old is the person who used this term??!! It's a very old fashioned term to use. I'm sure 100 years ago, it was an acceptable word to use but not in 2025! It's seen as a derogatory term. I can understand why you're upset, as it conjures up a stereotypical image of an 'old unmarried woman'.

I'd try not to take the comment to heart but if she uses the term again, you should tell her that the word might have been used decades ago but now it's deemed derogatory.

The move away from "spinster" was intended to remove a term that had become derogatory, as it was historically used to marginalise unmarried women. Single people are simply described as that, men used to be called bachelor on a wedding certificate. I think it all changed with the commencement of same sex weddings.

Seahorses12 · 26/01/2026 09:29

NorthernGirl1975 · 26/01/2026 09:26

The move away from "spinster" was intended to remove a term that had become derogatory, as it was historically used to marginalise unmarried women. Single people are simply described as that, men used to be called bachelor on a wedding certificate. I think it all changed with the commencement of same sex weddings.

Edited
  • Abolished in 2005: The terms "spinster" (for women) and "bachelor" (for men) were officially removed from marriage certificates in England and Wales on December 5, 2005.
It was replaced by 'single'
OP posts:
MikeRafone · 26/01/2026 09:30

Perhaps next time you see her ask

are you a hussy?

The word "hussy" has a surprising, innocuous origin, evolving from a

respectable Old/Middle English term into a derogatory one over several centuries. Originally, "hussy" was a contraction of
"housewife".
Key Facts on the Origin of "Hussy":

  • Original Meaning (13th–15th Century): Derived from the Middle English husewif, the word simply meant the mistress of a household, a housewife, or a woman in charge of a family.
  • "Domestic Goddess": In the early 1500s, a "hussy" was sometimes used to describe a thrifty, skilled manager of a household.
  • Linguistic Shortening: It is a deformed contraction of "housewife," with variations like "hussif" and "huzzie" appearing in Middle English.
  • The Shift (17th Century): By the 1650s, the term began to shift from its respectable roots to refer to "a woman or girl who shows casual or improper behavior".
  • Final Degradation (Mid-18th Century): The word lost all of its original meaning, becoming purely derogatory to describe a brazen, immoral, or ill-behaved woman.
NotnowMildrid · 26/01/2026 09:40

I would have laughed at her, and said ‘RUDE’!!! (In the words of Miranda - TV series).

Some women (a lot) like pecking order, and she was surreptitiously putting you in your place.

Katiesaidthat · 26/01/2026 09:54

Oh my, from behind the iron curtain. They are massively blunt, zero filter and feel the need to comment on everyone, negatively, to their face. So yes, there is a cultural element.
1850s calling...? would´ve been my answer...

katepilar · 26/01/2026 09:56

u3ername · 25/01/2026 23:42

I thought immediately after reading the original post that this is likely about a non-native English speaker. In all the other languages I speak, there is only one word for both single and bachelor/spinster.

In my language the word for spinster translates literally as "old virgin" and its not a very nice to call someone that. Unless perhaps you talk about your grand great aunt who died at very old age.

katepilar · 26/01/2026 10:00

Katiesaidthat · 26/01/2026 09:54

Oh my, from behind the iron curtain. They are massively blunt, zero filter and feel the need to comment on everyone, negatively, to their face. So yes, there is a cultural element.
1850s calling...? would´ve been my answer...

Yes, its often the case but luckily not everyone is like that. Unfortunately the environment people lived in made people behave and feel like that and it will still take time to shift it.

jennandbenn · 26/01/2026 10:03

YABU
English is not her first language. You could have calm explained that while that word exists it isn't really used anymore these days.

katepilar · 26/01/2026 10:04

TheGoddessFrigg · 26/01/2026 09:15

I will say that the Balkans have a very different attitude towards women and marriage . I remember travelling across Bosnia by train and an older woman asked me if I had children and I said no. She replied 'Oh that is why your husband lets you travel alone!'
It would have been much better to shock your colleague by laughing and saying 'You're damn right I am'

I wonder whether this would actually shock her.

jennandbenn · 26/01/2026 10:04

Katiesaidthat · 26/01/2026 09:54

Oh my, from behind the iron curtain. They are massively blunt, zero filter and feel the need to comment on everyone, negatively, to their face. So yes, there is a cultural element.
1850s calling...? would´ve been my answer...

As opposed to........ you? 🤔

JHound · 26/01/2026 10:05

CharlieMM1 · 26/01/2026 09:03

I think it probably is if you are saying it to someone's face. No? The point being it might technically be correct but there are negative connotations to the word that you may not be aware of.

No still not.

Trethew · 26/01/2026 10:06

It is a perfectly correct term but outdated. Unless it was said to deliberately upset you just ignore it, There are more important things to worry about

JHound · 26/01/2026 10:07

u3ername · 25/01/2026 23:42

I thought immediately after reading the original post that this is likely about a non-native English speaker. In all the other languages I speak, there is only one word for both single and bachelor/spinster.

So why didn’t she say “oh you’re single? One of my aunt’s is single” given that “single” is far more common in English.

And why mention her aunt at all?

SabreIsMyFave · 26/01/2026 10:08

Bookescapeartist · 26/01/2026 03:50

Bulgarian. That is the context we were after. Time machien aspect to the culture

I worked in a restaurant with some Portegeuse people in London, and one of the young men said when I tuend 30 that I was like old milk that was long past its sell by date and should get a husband fast...I just looked at him and said...you are not from England are you? We do things differently here mate.

Blimey, it's terrifying to think that in 2026, anyone has this weird attitude. ANYwhere in the world. 'An old milk that has aged too much' at 30! It's like the middle ages!

Then again, several years ago, my DH used to work with some women from The Phillipines, and China, and they said they were classed as basically 'unworthy' and 'no good' if they were still unmarried at 30. Women in the Phillipines over 30 (who are unmarried) are sometimes referred to as matandang dalaga (old maid), a term that implies they have missed the ideal window for marriage. In China they're called sheng nü (leftover women.)

Absolutely bonkers! The middle of the 2020s, and some places in the world still have this batshit attitude.

Member984815 · 26/01/2026 10:09

Seahorses12 · 26/01/2026 09:29

  • Abolished in 2005: The terms "spinster" (for women) and "bachelor" (for men) were officially removed from marriage certificates in England and Wales on December 5, 2005.
It was replaced by 'single'

I got married in Ireland 2006 , I think it was still spinster then I'll have to dig out my cert to check I was early 20s at the time. I must look up if its still used here

Parsleyforme · 26/01/2026 10:13

In this day and age I would be offended too. But I think an older woman from a different culture could be given a bit of leeway as it doesn’t sound like she meant it insultingly. I remember seeing “spinster” on my mum’s marriage certificate. She was in her 20s and had a profession when she married. It sounded insulting by today’s standards, and quite Bridget Jones.
Maybe we can reclaim this word - I’m unmarried at 34 so almost definitely a spinster of my mum’s time. But I have my own house and career and not dependent on a man, which I might not have if I’d got married at 20 or whatever the “normal” age was in the 60s

Definitelynotagladiator · 26/01/2026 10:16

Spinster was originally when women were so good at spinning that they made enough money to not need a man.
Men obviously didn’t like this so they made it into an offensive word.
Spinster = Independent woman.

I have to say Bachelor to me has bad connotations too. Anyone who describes themselves as one gives the ick.

It’s good to see we are moving away from both words.

MikeRafone · 26/01/2026 10:17

Member984815 · 26/01/2026 10:09

I got married in Ireland 2006 , I think it was still spinster then I'll have to dig out my cert to check I was early 20s at the time. I must look up if its still used here

The term "spinster" was officially replaced by "single" on marriage certificates in England and Wales in
December 2005, primarily to modernize registration, remove outdated, gender-specific terminology, and accommodate civil partnerships. Before this change, "spinster" was the legal term for a woman who had never been married, often paired with "bachelor" for men.
Here are the key reasons for the shift from "spinster" to "single" (sometimes interpreted or listed as "not previously married" or "single" in modern records):

  • Modernization and Gender Neutrality: The Registrar General of England and Wales deemed "bachelor" and "spinster" to be old-fashioned terms belonging to a "bygone era". "Single" was introduced as a neutral, catch-all term for both men and women.
  • Civil Partnership Act 2004: The impetus for the change was the need to make marriage registration consistent with the new civil partnership laws for same-sex couples, which required a neutral term for unmarried status.
  • Derogatory Connotations: Over time, "spinster" shifted from a neutral legal term for a woman who spins thread (14th century) to a term implying an older, unmarried woman (18th century onward), often with negative "old maid" connotations.
  • Consistency: The new, "blandly bureaucratic" term "single" was adopted to ensure that all marriage and civil partnership records used consistent, modern terminology.
Key Points on Usage:
  • Before Dec 2005: A woman of any age who had never been married was listed as a "spinster" on UK marriage certificates.
  • After Dec 2005: "Single" replaced "spinster," and "single" replaced "bachelor".
  • Alternative Terms: If a document seems to say "not stay single" or similar phrasing, it is likely a misreading of "single" or "spinster" (never married), rather than a specific legal phrase, as "single" is the standard replacement.

In Northern Ireland, modern marriage certificates have moved away from outdated terminology. While historically, marriage registers used "spinster" for never-married women and "bachelor" for never-married men, these have been replaced by the neutral term
"single".
Key Points Regarding Northern Ireland Marriage Certificates:

  • "Single" vs. "Spinster": Since roughly 2005 (aligned with the Civil Partnership Act), the term "single" is used to describe a person who has never been through a marriage or civil partnership.
Dancingsquirrels · 26/01/2026 10:27

I think it's offensive

And I wouldn't laugh or think it funny

But I'd cut her slack due to English being her second language. You could politely explain that "spinster" has a negative connotation now

MargoLivebetter · 26/01/2026 10:29

I'd have to 'own it' for want of a better expression. @Seahorses12 you have said you have a really good life and you are happy, so why wouldn't you look that woman in the eye and say "Goodness, I didn't know anyone used that term anymore, but yes, I'm a spinster and I couldn't be happier".

Your work colleague sounds like she was definitely trying to belittle you, so in the situation, I'd have to absolutely own my status and serve it back to her. I'd also have put her on my "to be watched carefully" mental list, as my impression from that exchange would not have been positive and I'd think she probably wasn't a kind or generous colleague.

SabreIsMyFave · 26/01/2026 10:33

JHound · 26/01/2026 10:07

So why didn’t she say “oh you’re single? One of my aunt’s is single” given that “single” is far more common in English.

And why mention her aunt at all?

Exactly. Why mention the aunt? So odd.

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