To think far-right evangelicals, so called 'Christians' forget that God is the final judge?

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The Bible at least says so. I'm not religious btw.

This lot seem to be such a hateful mob. Those in the US and here in the UK.

The most judgemental, hypocritical twats of all time. A massive pull back on women's rights, murder, kidnapping... disappearances, sychophantic behaviour towards the filthy rich, powerful and corrupt, vitriolic onslaught of brown/asian/african people, disabled and LGBT. Not even the lowest of whispers from this mob about rampant domestic violence, paedophilia, rape and femicide from White men in the US and UK.

The Orange Blob and Tommy Tens/Fibbing Farage seem to worshipped as the US and UK's respective new messiahs. AIBU to think far right Christians are a disease and will be the death of Western civilisation?

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Please add any other observations you have made. I am fully aware that there are other cultures/countries were there is discord or mayhem though somewhere in their history they have imperialism and more recently the US to thank for that.

I think that the OP is a troll and also the person that suggested we watch a documentary produced by Al Jazeera is, to put it politely, misguided.

Well if you're both so bothered by religious hypocrisy, you won't mind it being speaking about generically. Oh and right wing MPs use their influence in other religions.

Or you could try speaking about it specifically as it applies to this thread?

Yeah OK, Christianity is to blame for all the shit going on in the world.

The last Pope died pretty much straight after meeting JD Vance, meeting that level of nastiness probably finished him off!

OP I agree with you totally, nothing worse than a phoney Christian, using God’s name to spread hate.

Do you think that left-wing people cherry pick from Christ’s teachings too?

It seems to me that both sides do a lot of selective reading.

Like most 'religious' extremists, they use it as a weapon. Pick and chose the aspects that suit their agenda and ignore the rest.

Quite. Talking of hypocrites, the left are more than happy to adopt selective dogma to justify their narrative.

“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:26)

Radical Islam is the biggest threat to the west imo. The Vatican are hardly a good example of Christianity.
I think you’re being rather naive.

I am Catholic too. The Pope is not infallible, he’s only infallible when speaking ex cathedra.

This has only ever happened twice in modern history since 1854. Neither time related to refugees or immigrants.

You might want to check out your own understanding

I agree. Both are.

I also think there are many very sincere people on all sides who are truly trying to follow Christ as they understand him.

The fact that Christ/the Bible focused relativity little on specific political arrangements or policies is what permits this.

I don’t currently live the US either though, though. I have done (in the american south for 7 years). And I don’t really care about the reasons for islamic extremism tbh as it still doesn’t justify its existence. But it is more a threat here in the UK than evangelical christian terror plots. They certainly aren’t blowing up concerts, trains or buses or attacking Jewish schools.

None of the evangelicals I know in the UK support trump. The ones i know in the US are republican and may have voted for trump but are conflicted on his character.

I find the hypocrisy of the far left extremists (backed by islam) in both US and UK far more daunting and a threat to western life.

Actually, what is happening in the US among evangelical Christians is heartbreaking to many many thousands of evangelical Christians elsewhere and in the UK especially. Many evangelical Christians totally believe that we are called to love the poor, help people, welcome the stranger and refugee, and be there for all. Many evangelical churches work alongside others in their towns providing food banks, advice, help out of poverty etc., day in and day out. In response to the UK far rights attempt to make their hideous views look ‘Christian’, churches across the UK are actively campaigning against this - churches from all denominations- C of E, Methodists, baptists and evangelical churches together (to name a few) have released adverts and appeared to protest against the far right marches saying things like ‘all welcome here’ etc.

Please don’t presume the evangelical right is actually Christian. Most evangelical Christians follow Jesus’s example of looking to love and welcome all, looking to welcome all no matter who or what they believe or where they came from, helping people etc. The worldwide church have done this for thousands of years and the far right are not going to stop us.

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Someone genuinely believes the pope is infallible? What ? 😂

The hypocrisy is what stands out most on the thread.

The constant "those people aren't real Christians", to anyone who commits crimes or discriminates or harms others, often "in the name of" their religion - e.g. the abusive nuns, Tommy Ten Names, J D Vance.

Why do we never see the same when a Muslim commits a crime? Why aren't all of you "no true Scotsman" Christians rushing to say "well those aren't proper Muslims, they aren't really Muslim, they just claim to be"?

Misguided? Really? Do tell. Preferably after you've watched the documentary.

The point of this thread is to highlight extremism in a religion that bases its foundation on teachings that are cherry picked and leveraged in the current political climate.

People in positions of military power and authority claim to genuinely believe that their role is to fulfill Biblical prophecy, ergo the end times / Armageddon. If you're all happy with that, fabulous.

Personally I don't want someone sitting with the nuclear codes just waiting for the nod fom "God". Or claiming that's what he's doing for whatever other secular reason needs to be hidden.

Yes exactly. And for me, I’ve never ever met the type of person op describes inside of an evangelical/pentecostal church, or even in this country. 🤨

The whole thing just screams adults with too much screen time

Why are you recommending Al Jazeera? Surely you realise the outlet is biased. Much like any other news outlet but you've honed in on this one.

If all outlets are biased, then it doesn't matter which one you pick surely?

And I haven't found another source that examines the subject matter as thoroughly.

I recommend the documentary, regardless of who produced it.

I think we do though. When the ariana concert got bombed the BBC made a big deal about how it’s extremism, we have to remember it’s not all muslims etc to the point it seemed to be the main point of the coverage itself. This was only quietly criticised as the time though. There were huge talking points made about how muslims shouldn’t apologise for theses extreme views as it’s not shared belief, but evangelicals are not shown the same grace when attacks connected to them have been carried out (gay nightclub shooter springs to mind - Christians in the u.s. were hugely criticised at the time).

But, taken seriously, isn’t OP’s message a call for more uncertainty, more humility, but not necessarily less ‘extremism’.

Discounting what humans feel to be extreme, or judging based on what we are “happy with” feels like the opposite of ‘remembering that God is the final judge’.

YANBU - but keep in mind even the most evangelical of British Christians have very little in common with American Christian Right. Likewise the far right mob lead by Tommy Robinson is deeply opposed by almost all British Christians.

And yes - it does require very, very selective reading of the Bible to ignore the constant call to care for the sojourner/foreigner/widow/orphan. It’s very difficult to be a committed Christian and hold far right beliefs. They are fundamentally opposing beliefs.