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Elder daughter father giving rules about my younger kids

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Dazedandconfusec · 24/01/2026 12:04

My elder daughter is 12 and Grade 5 piano and flute and began guitar in an afterschool club at school last year. She gave up violin when the teacher moved house but still has two violins which she occasionally gets out.

My ex has facilitated her music and has bought all of the instruments and paid for lessons but I obviously had to facilitate the lessons for flute; the piano teacher comes to the house.

My younger daughter elder daughter’s half sister, has now started piano at school. Elder daughter has locked piano as her dad has instructed that my younger children cannot use the piano or have use of the other instruments.

OP posts:
tinyspiny · 24/01/2026 15:19

So you are going to treat your younger daughter as a second class citizen in her own home to appease your older daughter . Whichever way you look at this unless everyone shares you are going to be treating one child differently to another , it may not bother your younger children now but years down the line it may well .

silverwrath · 24/01/2026 15:25

Dazedandconfusec · 24/01/2026 12:04

My elder daughter is 12 and Grade 5 piano and flute and began guitar in an afterschool club at school last year. She gave up violin when the teacher moved house but still has two violins which she occasionally gets out.

My ex has facilitated her music and has bought all of the instruments and paid for lessons but I obviously had to facilitate the lessons for flute; the piano teacher comes to the house.

My younger daughter elder daughter’s half sister, has now started piano at school. Elder daughter has locked piano as her dad has instructed that my younger children cannot use the piano or have use of the other instruments.

What a tosspot. I don't know what the hell he thinks this will teach his daughter. Locking the piano fgs. 🙄

Agree with other posters, move it into his house.

WatalotIgot · 24/01/2026 15:26

Sharing is the name of the game in families as far as I am concerned. Shared spaces are Shared. Personal/special in their own bedroom space. We all have to learn this is how a community works.

Dazedandconfusec · 24/01/2026 15:26

I don’t think buying my younger daughter a keyboard is treating her as a second class citizen.

If I remove a good piano and force my elder daughter to share an inferior one I think that would potentially have a worse consequence.

It’s not the same as having children who are full siblings. It’s more nuanced.

OP posts:
665theneighborofthebeast · 24/01/2026 15:26

A full sized keyboard is an amazing instrument and has the joyous feature of working with headphones. Two or more kids attempting to play acoustic keyboards at the same time in one house...its only going to end in fighting.
You could even "sample" the "amazing piano" and get the keyboard to mirror its sound.

665theneighborofthebeast · 24/01/2026 15:28

I dont think keyboards are inferior at all...quite the reverse. Especially for composing.
I do think its selfish of anyone to expect a whole household to listen to hours of practice on an acoustic piano though..

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/01/2026 15:31

Your ex has two choices. Either the piano he bought stays in your house for all the children to use; or else the piano moves to one of his houses for his daughter's sole use and you and DH buy an inexpensive electronic piano for all your children to use. You could offer to buy the piano from him, if you want it and can afford it, but otherwise if he wont allow sharing then he can take it back.

Having siblings is beneficial to your DD. It sounds as if your ex has never learned the benefits of sharing.

Neither your ex-husband nor your eldest DD get to make the rules in your house.

WhattheFudgeareyouonabout · 24/01/2026 15:35

pottylolly · 24/01/2026 12:09

I think it’s fair enough if he bought them. Have you asked about buying the piano & other instruments from him?

Edited

Jesus you can’t be serious.

UninitendedShark · 24/01/2026 15:36

Electric pianos are excellent. Plus headphones! All my kids got through all the grades on one. Their exams were on a grand and they could move between the two well enough.

Pedallleur · 24/01/2026 15:38

Lots of quality electronic pianos on eBay. A lovely 88 key Yamaha electric grand on there £363
No need to spend crazy money

NorthXNorthWest · 24/01/2026 15:40

Vivi0 · 24/01/2026 15:04

Nobody seems to be thinking about the harm being done to the OP’s daughter. The piano was a gift from her father to her. It was not a household gift bought by the OP for all the children to share if they decided to learn. That matters.

The only harm being done to the OP’s daughter is the division being driven betweeen her and her siblings, by her father.

That is far more damaging to her than her little sister having a 30 minute lesson twice a week on her piano.

Which would be standard in any other family.

Its not the OP's father that is being controlling here, it is to OP by trying to force her daughter to share gifts from her father. The fact the piano is in the OP's house doesn't change who owns it or why is was bought.

Trying to frame it in this way is really sinister of you, and peak gaslighting.

The OP needs to think about ALL her children, as any other parent does.

The fact is that the eldest DD is part of a family and this is how families work.

There is no other situation I can think of where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a piano for their sole use.

Or where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a tampoline for their sole use.

Or where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a playhouse for their sole use.

Or where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a puppy solely for them - with no other children being allowed to touch it.

Regardless of who bought the item.

THAT is what is damaging to children. The OP’s daughter is old enough to understand.

Got work to do now but didn't want to read and run. Asked Chat GPT to be referee

AA Nobody seems to be thinking about the harm being done to the OP’s daughter. The piano was a gift from her father to her. It was not a household gift bought by the OP for all the children to share if they decided to learn. That matters.

BB The only harm being done to the OP’s daughter is the division being driven betweeen her and her siblings, by her father. That is far more damaging to her than her little sister having a 30 minute lesson twice a week on her piano. Which would be standard in any other family.

AA Its not the OP's father that is being controlling here, it is to OP by trying to force her daughter to share gifts from her father. The fact the piano is in the OP's house doesn't change who owns it or why is was bought.

BB Trying to frame it in this way is really sinister of you, and peak gaslighting. The OP needs to think about ALL her children, as any other parent does. The fact is that the eldest DD is part of a family and this is how families work. There is no other situation I can think of where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a piano for their sole use. Or where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a tampoline for their sole use. Or where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a playhouse for their sole use. Or where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a puppy solely for them - with no other children being allowed to touch it. Regardless of who bought the item. THAT is what is damaging to children. The OP’s daughter is old enough to understand.

Chat GPT question: Assess the debate between AA and BB

Here’s a clear, neutral assessment of the AA vs BB debate — separating argument, assumptions, and misuse of language.

  1. What AA is arguing (and where it’s strong)

Core claim:
The primary obligation is to protect the individual child’s ownership, boundaries, and emotional security, especially in a separated-family context.
Strengths:
Correctly distinguishes between a personal gift and a household item. That distinction matters legally, psychologically, and practically.
Grounds the argument in the specific context of divorce: limited time, divided homes, and heightened importance of personal possessions.
Makes a valid point that location ≠ ownership.
Is consistent: applies the same standard regardless of which parent bought the item.
Where AA is weaker:
Underplays the relational impact within the household.
Focuses heavily on the dyad (father–daughter) and less on sibling dynamics.
Doesn’t fully engage with the idea that some large items inevitably affect shared family space.
Still, AA’s position is internally coherent and child-centred.

  1. What BB is arguing (and where it’s strong)

Core claim:
What harms the child most is being set apart from siblings in a shared household; forced exclusivity is more damaging than limited sharing.
Strengths:
Highlights the importance of family cohesion and sibling relationships.
Correctly notes that, in intact families, large items are often shared.
Raises a legitimate concern about symbolic exclusion (“this is yours, not theirs”) inside one home.
Where BB is weaker (significantly):
Treats a blended family as if it functions the same as an intact one. That’s a false equivalence.
Assumes that sharing is the default moral good, without accounting for consent, age, or context.
Conflates ownership with use norms (“families share”) without addressing how those norms are created.
Minimises the emotional significance of the gift by reframing it as trivial (“30 minutes twice a week”).

  1. The gaslighting accusation (this is the key error)

BB’s claim that AA is engaging in “peak gaslighting” is incorrect.
Why it’s not gaslighting
Gaslighting requires:
denying facts,
distorting reality,
or making someone doubt their sanity or memory.
AA does none of that.
AA:
acknowledges the facts,
offers a different interpretation,
makes a value judgment about control and boundaries.
That is disagreement, not psychological manipulation.
Calling it gaslighting is a rhetorical escalation, not an accurate diagnosis.

  1. The analogies (piano, trampoline, playhouse, puppy)

These examples are emotionally persuasive but logically weak.
Why:
A piano used for Grade 5 practice is not equivalent to a trampoline or playhouse (leisure vs skill development).
A puppy introduces welfare duties that make the analogy especially poor.
None of the examples address the gift’s purpose, the child’s age, or the parental separation context.
They rely on a broad rule (“families share”) that doesn’t hold in all family structures.

  1. The real fault line in the debate

This isn’t really about a piano.
It’s about which principle takes priority:
AA: individual child’s boundaries and security in a divided family
BB: household equality and sibling cohesion
Both are legitimate concerns.
But BB weakens their case by:
dismissing the divorce context,
overstating harm,
and misusing “gaslighting” to shut down disagreement.

  1. Overall assessment

AA’s argument is more precise, more context-aware, and better grounded.
BB’s argument appeals to intuition about “normal families” but ignores key differences in blended families.
The accusation of gaslighting is unfounded and undermines BB’s credibility.
This is a boundary dispute, not emotional abuse.
Bottom line
AA is making a defensible, child-centred argument.
BB is making a values-based argument about family unity — but overreaches by mislabelling disagreement as gaslighting.

Hiphopboppertybop99 · 24/01/2026 15:41

IHNRTFT.only your updates @Dazedandconfusec so sorry if you have already answered this, but can you not offer him half the money towards the piano if you're considering buying one for your younger child

MammaBear1 · 24/01/2026 15:42

Send him an invoice for storage space for the piano for the time since it’s been locked. Then tell him it needs removing by xxx date after which you’ll dispose of it then buy/rent a new one.
He’s being a knob.

Isadora2007 · 24/01/2026 15:44

Dazedandconfusec · 24/01/2026 15:26

I don’t think buying my younger daughter a keyboard is treating her as a second class citizen.

If I remove a good piano and force my elder daughter to share an inferior one I think that would potentially have a worse consequence.

It’s not the same as having children who are full siblings. It’s more nuanced.

As a mum of children with different dads I completely disagree. It is the same and your daughters should not be encouraged to see each other as less than sisters. Your older dd is 12 and ready doing well musically. But she sounds like she could think she’s special due to her dads opinion and should therefore be encouraged to see sharing her talents and her piano with a sibling (who is being respectful of the instrument) is the better option in your home where neither girl is more worthy than the other.

Dazedandconfusec · 24/01/2026 15:45

We simply do not have the money to buy half the value of the piano.

If I took away this piano forcing my daughter to use an inferior one, what would I say to her?

OP posts:
OnLockdown · 24/01/2026 15:46

If the piano is your daughter's personal possession, she needs to keep it in her bedroom. Then buy another communal piano and put it in a communal area.

HighStreetOtter · 24/01/2026 15:51

Dazedandconfusec · 24/01/2026 15:45

We simply do not have the money to buy half the value of the piano.

If I took away this piano forcing my daughter to use an inferior one, what would I say to her?

You just say there’s only space for one piano so either everyone uses the nicer one or the nicer one goes to her dad’s place and a family cheap piano is bought for all. Even if a more expensive piano sounds nicer ultimately a piano is a piano, she can practice on anything. Just get it tuned.

Whyherewego · 24/01/2026 15:51

What are are the younger kids? Are the pianists?
I think having a yoing child of 4, say, bash kwys on a really good piano is actually unreasonable. So I can see why exH may ask that it's for older DD only. It's a valuable instrument and if it got damaged by younger kids who would pay for repairs?
If your younger DC are piano players already and want to practice etc then you have a point. Maybe then go back to ExH and say " look I understand you bought this for DD and want only her to use it. But I can't have half my front room taken up with a piano that only 1 perso can use as my other kids also are learning. So either we can come to an agreement on practice, I can offer to pay you a contribution or underwrite any damage made my by other DC. Or it has to be replaced by a more modest piano that we either jointly buy or I buy myself"

Vivi0 · 24/01/2026 15:51

NorthXNorthWest · 24/01/2026 15:40

Got work to do now but didn't want to read and run. Asked Chat GPT to be referee

AA Nobody seems to be thinking about the harm being done to the OP’s daughter. The piano was a gift from her father to her. It was not a household gift bought by the OP for all the children to share if they decided to learn. That matters.

BB The only harm being done to the OP’s daughter is the division being driven betweeen her and her siblings, by her father. That is far more damaging to her than her little sister having a 30 minute lesson twice a week on her piano. Which would be standard in any other family.

AA Its not the OP's father that is being controlling here, it is to OP by trying to force her daughter to share gifts from her father. The fact the piano is in the OP's house doesn't change who owns it or why is was bought.

BB Trying to frame it in this way is really sinister of you, and peak gaslighting. The OP needs to think about ALL her children, as any other parent does. The fact is that the eldest DD is part of a family and this is how families work. There is no other situation I can think of where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a piano for their sole use. Or where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a tampoline for their sole use. Or where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a playhouse for their sole use. Or where a child, in a multi sibling household, would have a puppy solely for them - with no other children being allowed to touch it. Regardless of who bought the item. THAT is what is damaging to children. The OP’s daughter is old enough to understand.

Chat GPT question: Assess the debate between AA and BB

Here’s a clear, neutral assessment of the AA vs BB debate — separating argument, assumptions, and misuse of language.

  1. What AA is arguing (and where it’s strong)

Core claim:
The primary obligation is to protect the individual child’s ownership, boundaries, and emotional security, especially in a separated-family context.
Strengths:
Correctly distinguishes between a personal gift and a household item. That distinction matters legally, psychologically, and practically.
Grounds the argument in the specific context of divorce: limited time, divided homes, and heightened importance of personal possessions.
Makes a valid point that location ≠ ownership.
Is consistent: applies the same standard regardless of which parent bought the item.
Where AA is weaker:
Underplays the relational impact within the household.
Focuses heavily on the dyad (father–daughter) and less on sibling dynamics.
Doesn’t fully engage with the idea that some large items inevitably affect shared family space.
Still, AA’s position is internally coherent and child-centred.

  1. What BB is arguing (and where it’s strong)

Core claim:
What harms the child most is being set apart from siblings in a shared household; forced exclusivity is more damaging than limited sharing.
Strengths:
Highlights the importance of family cohesion and sibling relationships.
Correctly notes that, in intact families, large items are often shared.
Raises a legitimate concern about symbolic exclusion (“this is yours, not theirs”) inside one home.
Where BB is weaker (significantly):
Treats a blended family as if it functions the same as an intact one. That’s a false equivalence.
Assumes that sharing is the default moral good, without accounting for consent, age, or context.
Conflates ownership with use norms (“families share”) without addressing how those norms are created.
Minimises the emotional significance of the gift by reframing it as trivial (“30 minutes twice a week”).

  1. The gaslighting accusation (this is the key error)

BB’s claim that AA is engaging in “peak gaslighting” is incorrect.
Why it’s not gaslighting
Gaslighting requires:
denying facts,
distorting reality,
or making someone doubt their sanity or memory.
AA does none of that.
AA:
acknowledges the facts,
offers a different interpretation,
makes a value judgment about control and boundaries.
That is disagreement, not psychological manipulation.
Calling it gaslighting is a rhetorical escalation, not an accurate diagnosis.

  1. The analogies (piano, trampoline, playhouse, puppy)

These examples are emotionally persuasive but logically weak.
Why:
A piano used for Grade 5 practice is not equivalent to a trampoline or playhouse (leisure vs skill development).
A puppy introduces welfare duties that make the analogy especially poor.
None of the examples address the gift’s purpose, the child’s age, or the parental separation context.
They rely on a broad rule (“families share”) that doesn’t hold in all family structures.

  1. The real fault line in the debate

This isn’t really about a piano.
It’s about which principle takes priority:
AA: individual child’s boundaries and security in a divided family
BB: household equality and sibling cohesion
Both are legitimate concerns.
But BB weakens their case by:
dismissing the divorce context,
overstating harm,
and misusing “gaslighting” to shut down disagreement.

  1. Overall assessment

AA’s argument is more precise, more context-aware, and better grounded.
BB’s argument appeals to intuition about “normal families” but ignores key differences in blended families.
The accusation of gaslighting is unfounded and undermines BB’s credibility.
This is a boundary dispute, not emotional abuse.
Bottom line
AA is making a defensible, child-centred argument.
BB is making a values-based argument about family unity — but overreaches by mislabelling disagreement as gaslighting.

Edited

Telling the OP she is the controlling one, when her ex is dictating what she can and cannot do with items in her own home, is gaslighting.

As for the rest. lol.

Whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

tinyspiny · 24/01/2026 15:52

Dazedandconfusec · 24/01/2026 15:45

We simply do not have the money to buy half the value of the piano.

If I took away this piano forcing my daughter to use an inferior one, what would I say to her?

That you cannot house 2 pianos and as her / her dad don’t want her sister to share then the answer is for you to buy a piano they can share and that has to be an affordable piano .

Newmeagain · 24/01/2026 15:54

Bitzee · 24/01/2026 12:29

A piano is as much a piece of furniture as it is an instrument and no one has more than one in their living room, that is completely and utterly insane. If he’s going to be so weird about it then I would propose that you buy the piano off him so it becomes your family piano or he arranges removal of the piano by x date and then you buy your own.

This.

A piano is different to other instruments. It doesn’t “go with the person”. And unless you live in a mansion no one is going to have more than one piano.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/01/2026 15:54

I don’t think buying my younger daughter a keyboard is treating her as a second class citizen.

It is, if your eldest has a fancy piano sitting in your living room that she's not playing and the youngest can't use it for no good reason.

It’s not the same as having children who are full siblings. It’s more nuanced.

True. Being the only child whose father is an arsehole has consequences and unfortunately you can't protect your eldest from all of them. Better for her to learn that even being a wealthy arsehole doesn't buy you that much control over other people. If the piano is in your living room then your family can use it. Locking it so no-one else can use it even while she is out would be a really shitty thing to do. Poor girl if you can't put a stop to that.

Itsnotallbadreally · 24/01/2026 15:54

HighStreetOtter · 24/01/2026 15:51

You just say there’s only space for one piano so either everyone uses the nicer one or the nicer one goes to her dad’s place and a family cheap piano is bought for all. Even if a more expensive piano sounds nicer ultimately a piano is a piano, she can practice on anything. Just get it tuned.

This is the right response in my opinion.
Your daughter isn’t losing anything by sharing the better piano and no way would I have her or my ex dictating what was/wasn’t happening in my home.

DoleWhipDiva · 24/01/2026 15:54

Piano in a communal area of the house is a communal piano. if it is for her exclusive use it goes in her bedroom or at her dads. i'm a little gobsmacked you would consider having this piano in your house if a condition is only she can use it. what message is this sending to your daughter? i understand you don't want her disadvantaged but come on - she doesn't live in isolation! your house, your rules - either your other daughter gets to practice on it or it goes and they share a lesser piano or a keyboard.

Butchyrestingface · 24/01/2026 15:54

Dazedandconfusec · 24/01/2026 15:45

We simply do not have the money to buy half the value of the piano.

If I took away this piano forcing my daughter to use an inferior one, what would I say to her?

That she can't use the other piano because it belongs to her sister?

I'm kind of torn. The piano was a gift from the child's father to HER. Do you share all your gifts with other people who express an interest in them?

I take it there isn't room in her bedroom for the piano? You've said you don't have the money to pay towards the piano. The easiest solution is surely to move it to his house and she practices there.

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