How to actually get authorities to take action on benefit frauds

[Hattieandcake]

Examples reported and nothing done -

• someone taking cash in hand for dogs - evidence sent online of cash only sales and also including social media showing lifestyle and purchase
• someone who is lying that they are single having a partner living at their government address with ring footage available that they live their permanently - also taking cash in hand jobs - evident on footage
• someone putting their SAHM wife on payroll to reduce income claimed - no work done for the business

These are only 2 of many and nothing is done, I am sick to death of it.

😂😂😂😂 how exactly??

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Good advice!

Putting a partner onto a limited company to reduce corporation tax isn’t benefit fraud

I’m annoyed about both.
love to see so many tax payers (I assume) celebrating fraud.

I do know of people who could work but choose not to and also people who won't accept more than 16 hours.
Unsure of how that works but it does.
A uc claimant informed me that any salary earned in excess of 16 hours, a percentage will be deducted from her benefit so she doesn't think it is worth it.
So clearly, the system is open to abuse.

WTAF?
2 Years of footage?

You'd probably be less knackered if you didn't waste your leisure hours in bitterness, spying on your neighbours. Do you really think this is a healthy way to live @Hattieandcake?

Huge companies, powerful people negotiate with HMRC to minimise their liabilities on billions to nothing and this is your concern ?

Do you want a pyrrhic victory? How much do you think it would cost the average tax payer to surveil this behaviour, investigate and bring* charges. Then clog the courts with it..then administer punishment …for selling dogs and having a partner?

A wife as a fellow director of a company is a decades old cliche. How many MPs employ their wives, partners in their constituency office OP?

Again more petty rubbish whilst billions are stolen by huge corporations who somehow have made our governments legislate to subsidise the crap wages they pay with UC tax credits …the lot…instead of paying liveable wages.

Being consumed by how other ordinary people take from you is a real badge of “MISSING THE BIGGER ISSUES!”🤦‍♀️

So you are happy with the current benefits bill? Don’t start moaning when taxes are increased again to pay for people like these.

most benefit claims are legit but some are not and should be reported rather than people minding their own business

I can't believe you're getting slated @Hattieandcake im glad your reported them. Benefit fraud is a heinous crime. I for one am sick of working so others who can work sit on their arses or work foreigners.

Keep up the good work.

I think you'll find they may have a big load of case files and will get round to investigating everyone. The thing about benefit fraud is they have to pay the money back and (having spent some time in courts as I worked for a regulatory body, magistrates do give out prison sentences too.

Ps anyone with any understanding of the benefits system knows that it is set at a bare substitence level and was never designed long term …ask the internet you are using here for the comparative welfare payments across OECD companies …the UK pays at unsurvivable levels without extra hustle

I work with the fall out from this in health and social care

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Good examples, I am aware of 'single' mothers who do this too. At the same time, I know people who are working ft and paying for cc etc and really struggling month to month.
We can't pretend it's not happening and it's totally unfair.
And people choosing to have children whilst not working at the taxpayers expense.
This is not a benefit bashing post, the system should be for interim support.
Fwiw, I am a single parent

All your ring door bell evidences is that a man lives at the property. Unless you're peeping through their bedroom windows, you have no proof they're living as a couple. She could tell them he's her lodger.
Assuming the dog seller is advertising the animals on SM, then all you know is that she placed the advert. You have no way of knowing the cash goes to her personally. She could tell them she's selling them for her son/mother.
The tax thing doesn't sound like a benefit issue.

That describes people I work with with learning disabilities and often allied severe mental ill health …do you want them to live a life like they are held in the workhouse in Oliver? Why shouldn’t they have a holiday or get their nails done?

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It is her business and mine. Its also yours unless you are also ripping tax payers off and fraudulently claiming benefits? Because that is the only reason you would want people not to interfere.

Are these people you know? I cannot imagine knowing so much about other people's finances. I don't get why you are so invested, never mind depressed about it. I wouldn't have thought it would affect you.

Collecting evidence for two years is quite extreme.

I’m a high earner and have been a net contributor for decades - no ripping off my fellow taxpayers (most of whom are not contributing as much) here.

. I find it bizarre that anyone is devoting this kind of time and energy to this, and I wonder how much more they could provide for themselves financially if they put that time and effort into something more lucrative than amateur detective work.

I know quite a few people ‘working’ the benefits and tax systems.

There’s fewer and fewer people paying into the pot, and more and more taking from it. It’s unsustainable.

The huge inequality in our society..the extraction of money by the very few …is not the benefit claimer…can we stop falling for the ill educated distraction and look up and see where the money is being siphoned off…where the money is not being paid INTO the pot? Or do you want encampment cities of the homeless as they have in the US and elsewhere?

Benefit fraud should be the business of any decent person.

Ah I see, so you have an I'm alright Jack so fuck the rest attitude? Just because you're a so called 'high earner', you don't care about those with genuine need or genuine disability being screwed over? Because that's what is happening. We can't afford to support those who genuinely need because tax payers' money because it is being spread too thinly amongst those who need it and those that don't.

I find it bizarre that anyone would have a silly attitude. In 23/24, benefit fraud is estimated to have cost the UK over 7 billion. This would be about 3.5% of the NHS budget. It’s a huge sum of money and could be used to make a difference to a lot of
people, not just those who choose to claim fraudulently, which absolutely takes it from others.
So glad that you’ve got so much money that it doesn’t matter to you.

My father used to have my SAHM on his payroll for tax purposes. He paid her exactly up to the tax threshold to save tax on his income.

All totally legal. (unlike filming someone else’s private property with a ring doorbell)