Will my life be better if I move to USA?

[Yatre]

I truly hate the UK class system.

I hate the whole private school vs grammar school vs state school elitism.

I hate the Oxbridge elitism and how Oxbridge-educated people dominate public life and the arrogance many of them have.

I hate the posh Etonians and Harrovians.

I hate the elitism of the Royal Family, the British aristocracy, all those titles and landed estates, the House of Lords etc.

Just the existence of certain British politicans (regardless of their politics - because this isn’t necessarily about their political beliefs) really irks me. Think David Cameron or Boris Johnson. Both upper-class, privately-educated, Oxford/Bullingdon Club, which have given them a great sense of arrogance about their position in life.

I hate the Oxford Union and the way they all dress up in posh attire, acting all special, and thinking their oratory skills will materialise into anything of worth.

This arrogance has been talked about before with many Brits believing that these Oxbridge, privately-educated, middle and upper-class people have the arrogance to think they have the right to run the country.

They’re present everywhere. Edward Davey, Keir Starmer, Suella Braverman, Tony Blair etc. it’s not just a right-wing thing. In fat, you could argue, these days, it’s more so left-wing.

Even successful British actors like Emma Thompson, Tom Hiddleston, Eddie Redmayne etc exhibit these attributes. They

I just don’t want to have to live in the same country as these types of people or listen to their antics.

Luckily, I’m a dual UK-US citizen since I was born in the US while my parents were living there for a while, but I have never been there since my parents returned and I don’t know anyone there.

I really want to move to the US.

If you know what it’s like to live in the USA, can you just tell me whether if I moved to the USA, I wouldn’t have to come across any of those posh, aristocratic, upper/middle-class, privately-educated, titled, Oxbridge graduate snobs that I mentioned.

I would live in a much more meritocratic country where nobody would tolerate Oxford Union debaters thinking their opinion matters or privately-educated people thinking they have a right to run the country.

At least Trump’s wealth or that of the Kardashian’s isn’t offensive to me because it just feels different - it doesn’t feel as layered and it doesn’t make them act as entitled or snobbish.

So, if I move to USA will I be free from these types of people or will I still see some of them/hear from them? I’m not sure if America is dominated by middle-class or posh, Oxbridge graduates or aristocrats.

Sorry for the rant. Just felt overwhelmed.

Then go….

The word ‘hate’ is mentioned a lot in your post……so Trumps America looks like it will suit you.

I live in the US and honestly, this wasn’t even a consideration, even for an old pinko like me, but I absolutely know what you mean. As a British person, everyone assumes I am the poshest in the room, even though I sound like a well-to-do Margi Clarke.

There will be many people who will come on here and tell you America is mad and you’d be mental to move here but there is prosperity here, wages are significantly higher (costs also but not as much) and there is opportunity galore. I love living here and am waiting for this frankly embarrassing time to pass, which it will.

You’re a dual citizen, what do you have to lose by giving it a go?

No one is stopping you, just go.

“Meritocratic”? Interesting choice of words to describe the US. I really wouldn’t want to be living there just now. It’s pretty terrifying at the moment.
could you look at Ireland or Australia instead? 😂

Where do currently reside in the UK?

Have you never seen anything on the USA class system? There’s still elite schools, elite universities, high society exists too. Yes much of it is wealth related but it is in the uk now, the old upper classes do not run the uk and quite frankly most can barely afford to run their ancestral homes so you can rent them for weddings. Do whatever you like but the grass isn’t always greener and at least we don’t have an idiot in charge

Just move up to the north west….no class system where I live …..good road links….good airports ( Manchester and Liverpool) and stunning countryside on your doorstep …..snowdonia, the Dales and The Lakes

I think you will fit right in and should go immediately.

The words "chip" and "shoulder" spring to mind.

I guess it depends where you go. I have cousins in Minneapolis and they are not enjoying it at all at the moment. They say there’s an atmosphere everywhere.

Oh yeah, USA seems very stable for immigrants at the moment you should definitely go for it. Can't imagine that getting kidnapped off the street or shot by the new Gestapo, sorry ICE, could be worse than having a hooray Henry annoy you. Have fun.

..off you trot.. good luck...

Are you saying you hate well off people who sound a certain way? Because including actors just seems odd, I get the unfairness of class in relation to education etc and the political thing but Hermoine and Loki?!

Who are you that you are hanging out with all these toffs that they dominate your life so much. Of course Britain has these privileged types. Like every other country. Doesn’t really affect me though.

You seem obsessed with Oxford. It is also just a university. I went there, and I grew up with an outside loo.

I hear Minnesota is a great place to live and raise kids - very best of luck to you 🫶 .

Do you have black or brown skin? If not, you’ll be fine in the states.

Personally I would rather put up with a class system (which tbh does not affect my day to day life) than be worried about being dragged from my car, asked to show my papers and then shoved in prison. That’s just me though.

There isn’t the class system as you have here, but the disparity is wealth is there and the privileges that wealth buys are still there. Many politicians will be Ivy League educated. Dynasties are much more of a thing so generations and generations of the same family that start a law career before having a political career.

I’d argue it’s harder to be on a lower income in the US because there is no universal health care. Cost of food is much higher.

Wealth and privilege exist in every country.

What a weird post op

i don’t think the US is a meritocracy by any stretch of the imagination - there are classes and different levels of wealth - it may not go back to the aristocracy in the same way (ie it may be new money) but the behaviour is the same if not worse - a case of pulling the ladder up behind you as it were

never before has class wars and race wars been such a thing - the US is not the land it was in the past where dreams can come true for everyone - far from it

The arts are dominated by privately educated people though. You can list the number of working class actors under 50 on one hand in the UK, music is going the same way. Poshos have always been overrepresented in entertainment but it never used to be as bad as this.

Did you not get in to Oxbridge, op?

If you don’t think there’s a class system in the USA you’re about to have a rude awakening.

Where do you live that your life is overrun with toffs? Come up north, we have none of that shite round here.

This! I barely give all these people a second thought

That's what I thought too. I'm particularly perplexed by their hatred of the Union and as far as I recall, you don't have to'dress up posh' to go there.