Will my life be better if I move to USA?

[Yatre]

I truly hate the UK class system.

I hate the whole private school vs grammar school vs state school elitism.

I hate the Oxbridge elitism and how Oxbridge-educated people dominate public life and the arrogance many of them have.

I hate the posh Etonians and Harrovians.

I hate the elitism of the Royal Family, the British aristocracy, all those titles and landed estates, the House of Lords etc.

Just the existence of certain British politicans (regardless of their politics - because this isn’t necessarily about their political beliefs) really irks me. Think David Cameron or Boris Johnson. Both upper-class, privately-educated, Oxford/Bullingdon Club, which have given them a great sense of arrogance about their position in life.

I hate the Oxford Union and the way they all dress up in posh attire, acting all special, and thinking their oratory skills will materialise into anything of worth.

This arrogance has been talked about before with many Brits believing that these Oxbridge, privately-educated, middle and upper-class people have the arrogance to think they have the right to run the country.

They’re present everywhere. Edward Davey, Keir Starmer, Suella Braverman, Tony Blair etc. it’s not just a right-wing thing. In fat, you could argue, these days, it’s more so left-wing.

Even successful British actors like Emma Thompson, Tom Hiddleston, Eddie Redmayne etc exhibit these attributes. They

I just don’t want to have to live in the same country as these types of people or listen to their antics.

Luckily, I’m a dual UK-US citizen since I was born in the US while my parents were living there for a while, but I have never been there since my parents returned and I don’t know anyone there.

I really want to move to the US.

If you know what it’s like to live in the USA, can you just tell me whether if I moved to the USA, I wouldn’t have to come across any of those posh, aristocratic, upper/middle-class, privately-educated, titled, Oxbridge graduate snobs that I mentioned.

I would live in a much more meritocratic country where nobody would tolerate Oxford Union debaters thinking their opinion matters or privately-educated people thinking they have a right to run the country.

At least Trump’s wealth or that of the Kardashian’s isn’t offensive to me because it just feels different - it doesn’t feel as layered and it doesn’t make them act as entitled or snobbish.

So, if I move to USA will I be free from these types of people or will I still see some of them/hear from them? I’m not sure if America is dominated by middle-class or posh, Oxbridge graduates or aristocrats.

Sorry for the rant. Just felt overwhelmed.

It is a race based entity that has been dominated by whites since it was stolen from the Native people who were massacred.

Watch palm beach: members only on netflix. That'll cure you.

america, the most racist country in human history, the global leader in race law (white only citizenship, white only vote, white only schools to white only graveyards, white only education etc. etc.), a race based entity founded by a group of white elite, slave owning, racist tyrants, the country that ethnically cleansed the indigenous population from their fertile land and forced the tiny number who survived into reservations, the country that imported enslaved Africans to provide wealth for the white elite (washington, jefferson et al), the country that coined the term '''white privilege''' given now rampant it is there, since when was it meritocratic?

That's a comment from a whitewashing ignoramus.

I detest america with every fibre of my being. Even the national anthem (the lyrics not the tune which is British) is racist with it's no longer sung third verse excoriating the slaves who fled the plantations of the white elites (18 from washington's alone)

Some history (and not a version of Trump's "patriotic education" (whitewashed) that you have espoused) and up to date data from the London School of Economics:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States#Economics

"The end of slavery has seen marginal change in the racial wealth gap. In 1863, two years prior to emancipation, black people owned 0.5 percent of the national wealth, while in 2019 it is just over 1.5 percent.

Those who economically gained the most from slavery were the planter class, owners of large-scale agricultural estates, plantations, where large numbers of enslaved Africans were held captive and forced to produce crops to create wealth for a white elite. Having a prominent role in politics with eight of the 15 presidents prior to Lincoln owning slaves while in office, upon the end of the Civil War the planter class kept control of their land and remained politically influential, with the London School of Economics stating, "this persistence in "de facto power" in turn allowed them to block economic reforms, disenfranchise black voters, and restrict the mobility of workers."

www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/06/19/why-racial-wealth-gap-persists-more-than-years-after-emancipation/

The US has a class system, it is just based upon different things than the UK system. It is possible to change classes in the U.S., but that doesn’t make class any less important or dominant.

my child was born into the upper middle class. Like many similar families, our entire goal as parents is to make sure she has what she needs to stay here or rise higher. It influences every aspect of our parenting from birth.

don’t be naive and think you will escape the issue of class in the US. Class determines the quality of your child’s school. Class determines the maintenance level of your neighborhood. Class determines your access to good, healthy grocery stores. Class determines your access to health care. Your socioeconomic status is everything here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans#Racism_and_social_status

"Formal political, economic and social discrimination against minorities has been present throughout American history. Leland T. Saito, Associate Professor of Sociology and American Studies & Ethnicity at the University of Southern California, writes, "Political rights have been circumscribed by race, class and gender since the founding of the United States, when the right to vote was restricted to White men of property. Throughout the history of the United States, race has been used by Whites for legitimizing and creating difference and social, economic and political exclusion".

In 1770s Britain, men of property could vote (this included black people), in 1770s america, only white men of property could vote. It would take almost another century before blacks could do the same in america as Britain (although it would take yet another century before they gained full rights).

abraham lincoln in 1858,

"I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; I am as much as any other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

america, a race based entity founded by a group of elite, white slave owning tyrants, for america to stop being racist it would need to stop being america.

The US isn't meritocratic. Social mobility has been higher in the UK over the last few decades. They don't have Oxbridge, or the same sense of class as the UK. But they absolutely do have class, (and significantly more racism too, so if you're not white that's probably a bigger problem).

Almost no law makers at the federal level are working class. (The Democrats are probably worse than the Republicans on this front too). The US have political dynasties that span multiple generations in a way that really ought to be shocking in a country that went to war in part to reject hereditary rule.

Getting into the top colleges is hard for working class children. Good state funded high schools are generally at least as segregated as they are in the UK, with many places relying on parents and local communities to fund significant amounts of state school budgets. This results in rich communities having better facilities and curriculum than poorer communities as well as the advantages that often come with a more middle class community, and working class kids being concentrated in schools with fewer facilities and more hard to serve children. There is a huge amount of nepotism in the working world and who you know, college alum networks and the right names on your CV are huge advantages in getting ahead.

Even with the new tech frontier, that has allowed lots of people to gain far better incomes than their parents - still almost none of the CEOs and CTO or CFOs come from a less than middle class background. Often an upper middle class one.

There is a lot of opportunity, but there are also a lot of people vying for that opportunity. The potential to get rich is higher, but it's a huge gamble for working class people with luck a significant part of making it. There's a greater gap between rich and poor in the US and the chances of falling into crippling poverty is higher.

It's a good place for UK middle class people to try and make it big. Less so for working class. But if you have dual citizenship, you have little to lose trying as you can always return to to the UK.

Ivy league

The race based entity america, the most racist entity in human history, where only whites are american per its founding naturalisation law, where Natives were deemed subhuman savages according to its racist 'declaration' before they were ethnically cleansed (an act admired by Hitler), and the Africans (who provided wealth for the elite white slave owning tyrants who founded this racist entity) were deemed 3/5ths of a person according to its racist constitution.

This image sums up the race based entity america and its white privilege DNA.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech

I have emigrated to the USA and it will massively depend on where you live.

I'm in a lovely area yet I get some people in shops etc who resent me being here as I'm not American. I have to constantly carry my greencard incase ICE decide to question me.

Its not all roses.

You must be moving in quite privileged circles to meet so many of these types. I'm definitely middle class and can't say I meet enough to even register any annoyance.

Tradies and people in construction outearn most office workers/graduates nowadays anyway.

I went to college with some posh people, boarding school, horses.I'm working class,grammar school,lefty. We're all just people.
I've not done particularly well in life but I've never put it down to my lack of privilege.
By all means give it a go in the USA it is a wonderful country but in real terms it seems to be deeply divided by wealth and a dreadful President.

You can lead the gullible to water but you can't make them think

I was shocked to learn how much nurses earn in the US. Registered Nurses (RNs) average around $90,000-$94,000 annually, while Nurse Anesthetists (CRNAs) often earn over $200,000. In the UK the average salary is about £37-38k I believe.

At least Trump’s wealth or that of the Kardashian’s isn’t offensive to me because it just feels different - it doesn’t feel as layered and it doesn’t make them act as entitled or snobbish.

Yeah, sure, no evidence of Trump, or the Kardashian’s with any entitled behaviour😳. I mean, how many Oxbridge graduates are actively trying to take over several countries by physical force as we type?

People in the US with US citizenship are currently being kidnapped, and dumped in other countries not to be allowed back in. This is on the basis that while they ARE US citizens the current regime considers they should not be. @Yatre Are you brown? If not, probably not an issue for you, but if you are happy on that basis, and because no one from Oxbridge is running that shitshow, then good for you.

Bless him he had alot more 'outgoings' than most though. There's stormy, epstein, E Jean, ex wives, and not to forget the distict liklihood of a shed load of names that are redacted . That's alot of overheads.

You've picked a fine time to move there.

1. Are you white?
2. Are you apolitical?
3. Do you have plenty of money?
4. Are you healthy?

Remember, there is no public safety net. You lose your house, you can’t pay rent, you’ll usually end up living on the streets. A third or more of US bankruptcies are for medical debt. If you can’t pay for your medication… you die. And people who are unable to afford care eventually end up in A&E and die on the floor. If you DO have money, put it in a trust so it can’t be clawed back for medical reasons. I knew an American millionaire who got cancer and was afraid he’d be bankrupt by the end of it.

The OP has very narrow jaundiced views, I would be interested how they have developed. I am in my 70's and spent a large part of my later working years dealing with the people she considers "Oxbridge privilaged" they are, like any section of society a mixed bunch, ie the idiots don't succeed. You have to be fairly capable to get into Oxford or Cambridge, if you don't qualify it doesn't do your life CV any favours.
I socialise from time to time with "The privileged" and those with "Titles" they are the same as any section of society when you get to know them well and judge people more on their merits and achievements than their backgrounds.
In every section of society there are people who think they are better than others within their groups and communities who think they are entitled to more than those around them.
I have family members who are US citizens, who have a very nice lifestyle but they are very .much "achievers" who would have had a similar lifestyle and assets had they remained here. I have 2 American DIL's who prefer this country on the whole, considering it different but a nice place to live, so remain here.
OP go to the US, I can't imagine what you expect to find there but I feel your views are very extreme and you seem overly bothered by. "class" , but you will find another but different kind of privileged class, usually relating to wealth, it's the same wherever you go in the world.

They have their Oxbridge - Ivy League. They have exactly the same class system, with the same network of old money, new rich and nepotistic families controlling everything and looking down on the small folk. They just hide it a little better.

Trump isn't entitled?! Seriously?!

You're talking about someone who actually said to Norway that he should be given Greenland because they didn't give him the Nobel Peace Prize.

What's your definition of entitled? I'd say that's off the scale entitlement.

There are state sponsored armed militia murdering civilians in the street and you want to go there because posh people piss you off? This has to be a wind up surely?!

If you ever have a son he'll required to sign up for the draft....

Registration for Men

Selective Service System registration is required by law. By registering, a young man remains eligible for jobs, state-based student aid and employment in most states, Federally-funded job training, and U.S. citizenship for immigrant men.

In a national emergency, Selective Service System will use the registry to provide personnel to the Department of War.

Penalties for Failing to Register

If required to register, failure to register is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or 5 years imprisonment. Also, a person who knowingly counsels, aids, or abets another to fail to comply with the registration requirement is subject to the same penalties.

www.sss.gov/

No.
But go and try it yourself

I hate to break it to you but a lot of elite US universities have legacy places, which Oxbridge doesn't. In the US, you will still be able to find plenty of things to feel resentful about.

If you do find a country that is a true meritocracy, you might find it worse. You will only be able to blame your own underlying ability, work ethic and level of charm for any failures.

Thats a lot of hate for one person. YABU to move to a country on the brink of civil war but you sound as if you'd fit in well. Go for it.