Will my life be better if I move to USA?

[Yatre]

I truly hate the UK class system.

I hate the whole private school vs grammar school vs state school elitism.

I hate the Oxbridge elitism and how Oxbridge-educated people dominate public life and the arrogance many of them have.

I hate the posh Etonians and Harrovians.

I hate the elitism of the Royal Family, the British aristocracy, all those titles and landed estates, the House of Lords etc.

Just the existence of certain British politicans (regardless of their politics - because this isn’t necessarily about their political beliefs) really irks me. Think David Cameron or Boris Johnson. Both upper-class, privately-educated, Oxford/Bullingdon Club, which have given them a great sense of arrogance about their position in life.

I hate the Oxford Union and the way they all dress up in posh attire, acting all special, and thinking their oratory skills will materialise into anything of worth.

This arrogance has been talked about before with many Brits believing that these Oxbridge, privately-educated, middle and upper-class people have the arrogance to think they have the right to run the country.

They’re present everywhere. Edward Davey, Keir Starmer, Suella Braverman, Tony Blair etc. it’s not just a right-wing thing. In fat, you could argue, these days, it’s more so left-wing.

Even successful British actors like Emma Thompson, Tom Hiddleston, Eddie Redmayne etc exhibit these attributes. They

I just don’t want to have to live in the same country as these types of people or listen to their antics.

Luckily, I’m a dual UK-US citizen since I was born in the US while my parents were living there for a while, but I have never been there since my parents returned and I don’t know anyone there.

I really want to move to the US.

If you know what it’s like to live in the USA, can you just tell me whether if I moved to the USA, I wouldn’t have to come across any of those posh, aristocratic, upper/middle-class, privately-educated, titled, Oxbridge graduate snobs that I mentioned.

I would live in a much more meritocratic country where nobody would tolerate Oxford Union debaters thinking their opinion matters or privately-educated people thinking they have a right to run the country.

At least Trump’s wealth or that of the Kardashian’s isn’t offensive to me because it just feels different - it doesn’t feel as layered and it doesn’t make them act as entitled or snobbish.

So, if I move to USA will I be free from these types of people or will I still see some of them/hear from them? I’m not sure if America is dominated by middle-class or posh, Oxbridge graduates or aristocrats.

Sorry for the rant. Just felt overwhelmed.

My husband's uncle has done very well for himself moving to Texas

If you think there isn’t a class system in the US, you’re going to be sorely disappointed.

OP - how are things in Krasnoyarsk?

You really think that there's no class system in the US?!! It's differently arranged, but there absolutely is, and certain backgrounds and accents are disparaged just as they are in the UK. Plus - hate to tell you that (at least in my experience here) they adore English Oxbridge types.

Why the US?

why not move to a totally socialist country like Venezuela, Cuba, or NKorea. Then you won’t have to worry about those different classes.

I think you should expand your horizons when looking for a new home country!

Where I grew up a Lord owned pretty much everything and everyone. Rural Scotland is pretty much feudal in large areas and has issues with absentee landlords in other areas.

Ah yes the completely meritocratic USA. How many members of Trumps immediate and extended family have held positions given to them by Donald?
How likely is it that in a country of 350 million people America had not one but two presidents called George Bush? You'd think that in a truly meritocratic society it would be extremely unlikely for a father and son to both become president. Same for Bill and Hilary Clinton and the Kennedy clan. You're deluded if you think that America doesn't have a system based on old and new money and an elite education system.
Also, it you're of child bearing age don't go having a termination, miscarriage or difficult pregnancy or you could find yourself facing criminal charges.

I’d go as far to say that the class system
is WORSE in the US than in the UK.

The Oxford offers and rejections were released last week.

I'm guessing that the grapes are very sour in the Yatre household right now.

Think someone just got a reject letter.

No it’s dominated by Ivy league graduates (Harvard, Yale, Duke etc). Look at where its President went.

If you go, you’ll need a good private health care plan - a month’s diabetes medication is $2-4000. Free on the NHS.

Indeed - Russia is very lacking in Oxford graduates, I understand?

Okay… don’t go to the north east then or south east. But good luck!

Well I’m sure there’s a few but it’s a geographically huge country so less chance of being annoyed by one.

I was about to suggest the same!
No need to move to the states, just move up north!

Layers of class and privilege exist in the USA just as much as in the uk. They are just more hidden.

why not move to Finland for a more equal society?

I think the Oxbridge elite are more ornamental in the US.

When I went out there (I'm not elite 🤣), I got 'oh my god, your British accent is so cute' a lot.

I'm curious where your hatred comes from? It's not as much of a factor in fields like tech, sales, science.

The US - meritocratic?! I suppose it's just a coincidence that the names "Bush" and "Clinton" appear in presidential races so often.

Anyone with ability can go to Oxbridge. The fees will be the same as at any other British university. Look up the fees at Harvard to compare.

At least Trump’s wealth or that of the Kardashian’s isn’t offensive to me because it just feels different - it doesn’t feel as layered and it doesn’t make them act as entitled or snobbish.
Trump feels entitled to "grab them by the pussy" because he is rich. He certainly didn't earn his wealth through hard graft either, he's the world's biggest grifter. Mind you, just like they treated his dad, the old money in New York (NY has a class system too) wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.

Harvard? Yale? Do you really think it doesn't exist there?

Imo the us is worse than uk for lack of social mobility, it’s just the effective class system is expressed differently. Which uni you went to is used to discriminate for jobs at least as much as in the uk, in fact it has seemed more blatant and more acceptable to openly make that discrimination. But give it a try. Why not?

you can buy a rail pass and travel all over.
@MissConductUS I looked into that a while back, doesn't it just cover Coach? I don't think it's like Interrail where you can just pay a supplement and get a sleeper berth.

The US has its own types of aristocrats - try reading "How to lose friends and alienate people". If you're not rich, professionally successful, beautiful, well-dressed and well-connected they'll despise you. They have elite private schools and universities there, too.
But seriously, OP. Rather than emigrate, just move to somewhere like Sheffield or Newcastle. Nice cities with friendly people who are not overly posh.
However, I rather suspect that you want to see yourself as one of the elite and are hoping that America will offer you a short-cut to that status.

I gather you have never heard of Ivy League Universities?

I checked the website, and you are correct. You used to be able to upgrade to a sleeper, but they seem to have discontinued that option. You could use the pass to travel to day-trip destinations and buy the sleeper-car tickets separately.

Or you could rent a car, but I expect that would be more expensive, and many people wouldn't want to do that much driving, especially out west where cities are so far apart. The rail pass would work nicely on the east and west coasts, though. Think Boston to NYC to Philadelphia to Baltimore to Washington, DC. Those are all only a few hours apart on Amtrak.

So was it Oxford or Cambridge that rejected you?

That aside, anyone who wants to go to America probably deserves what’s waiting for them there.