ICE and your young adult child

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DC is a dual citizen (US and UK), just finished university and is living and working in a city in the US where ICE is about to be deployed.

What would you say to them?

If it’s his views and desire to protest (rather than yours) then give him advice to stay safe and avoid escalation.

Or her, not sure if you’ve specified

Democrats are just using this politics ahead of the midterms right? Surely you don't think they give a shit about people? Didn't they do this when Biden won and then reversed all the immigration policies only tor flip back towards the election and ramp up deportations???

No they didn't. The produced a bi-partisan immigration reform bill. Trump explicitly told congress not to vote on it because he intended to run for president on illegal immigration.

Ice agents can certainly detain illegal immigrants. They can't legally detain legal immigrants and US citizens and yet they are doing both.

No it’s not gaslighting. It’s a refusal to indulge what is frankly one of the more inane conspiracy theories currently espoused by the far right. It relies on the notion that attending a protest and (gasp) making signs requires some vast expenditure of resources by George Soros, Elvis Presley, or some other member of the New World Order.

It also assumes most people need to be paid to oppose an untrained, lawless band of thugs invading their city, people for having the wrong color skin, and crippling the local economy. It’s a lot easier than confronting the obvious truth backed up by every poll since the ICE operation began: the people just don’t want to buy the crap you’re selling anymore. They despise Trump, his stormtroopers, and his cult like band of core supporters.

Fully aware there are dickheads at every protest, also fully aware that ICE over-reach and violence has extended to people who are a) protesting in a lawful and appropriate manner b) trying to take their children to a place of safety c) shopping in a store d) trying to get to a doctor appointment, so yes, you are victim blaming. Also appropriate law enforcement don’t use the level of violence ICE have been using.

@ByCyanMoose do you accept that paid protestors exist at all? I agree it doesn't take much to knock up a sign. But that's not the point.

There is a shocking clip, which appears to be correct, with Renée's wife saying what sounds like "Why do they have real bullets?"
I'm baffled by this. Why would they not have real bullets?

She said, 'we had whistles, they had guns,' which was a point about the balance of power and that it was unnecessary to shoot an unarmed woman. Which goes to the root of why people are protesting.

I just very much hope things are peaceful.

I understand your perspective, OP. I have always raised my children to speak out when they see something wrong and stand up for the vulnerable. My DD is very political and will attend protests in UK. She’s currently in the US. Sadly I have said to her that in the US they shoot first and ask questions later so she just needs to keep her head down. She can do more good alive than dead.

I'm glad someone else gets the dilemma!

I really do understand the desire to speak out. I just worry that with so many people out there, and so many on edge, and ICE agents behaviour, it doesn't take much for things to kick off.

My son lives out there. He just stays away from trouble and it works well.

Is there anywhere else he could go rather than an area with Ice?
I wouldn't trust any of my kids to not get themselves in trouble.

You thought him about morality, so I would assume part of that would be that dangerous criminals should be dealt with properly and not allowed to walk the streets putting innocent people in danger? Then just let ICE get on with their jobs in taking dangerous criminals off the streets surely 🤔
I would also hope you instilled in him to be a law abiding citizen and not become a felon so he should be all good.

"Doesn't take much to kick off"
Of course it does, have you not seen all the brutal attacks on ICE agents just out trying to do their job with no retaliation from them?
I think the agitators just assumed they were untouchable while committing felony crimes.

I would tell them to lock down their socials, be careful about what they post and keep any photos that could be used against them off their device. I know someone who went on a work trip and was refused entry back into the US based on what was on their socials. All their belongings are still at their empty house while they are in England wondering if they will ever be able to go home

DC lives in an ordinarily very peaceful northeastern city. It's that ICE is about to be deployed there.

Poetnojo
"Then just let ICE get on with their jobs in taking dangerous criminals off the streets surely"

But half the people they are manhandling off the streets are not dangerous criminals.

No, no I haven't. I've seen a lot of the opposite, in fact.

However, that's not what this thread is about. So you're welcome to use your talking points on yourself or others, but I'm not interested in engaging further. Thanks!

My kids have US citizenship.
I would say ... "carry your passport at all times and if you see an ICE person with access to a gun, presume they are planning to shoot someone"

If they drive a car I’d recommend they get out of it if asked.

But that's the problem. They all have guns all the time.

So if they're cutting an autistic woman out of her seatbelt while she's screaming she's just trying to get to her doctor's appointment and that she's autistic and it takes her a while to understand orders, do you just turn around and go home?

Of course I want DC to be safe, but I have a hard time saying, ignore that.

Be careful on social media and don't do anything stupid like protesting

This!

Avoid any confrontation

DC has done a lot of volunteering/legal clinics with some of the communities that are being targeted

I think this is the single most important and productive thing he can be doing. That makes a huge difference.

Nothing? I assume they go about their daily life and obey the law and, being a US citizen, are there legally.

ICE isn't there for them. They're there for people who shouldn't be.

Just stay away from the protests. It's really not that difficult.