To be so scared and horrified about ICE?

[BarbaraVineFan]

Sorry, I know there must be other threads about this, but I’m lying in bed alone , feeling really terrified about what’s going on in the US right now and what it will lead to. I keep seeing videos saying that Trump’s administration is behaving as though they don’t have to worry about winning an election because they will just seize power. I also saw a couple suggesting that this is the start of civil war. I think it’s such a dark time for the world and I am genuinely worried for my 6 year old DD’s future.

My son lives in America, so I worry, but unless you live out there what on earth are you worried about?

Starmer's an idiot, but I can’t see him sending in the boys. 🙄

We already have ICE. We call it Border Force

I’m worried about this as an indication of the fact that in a country that was once perceived as ‘ the land of the free’, the sense of human decency and compassion seems to have been eroded to such an extent that people are being attacked on the streets when they are just existing within their community. And I’m also worried about the associated risk, which has already been documented, of people posing as ICE in order to commit crimes such as sexual assault, assault and kidnapping.

I really despise this idea that we should not worry about things that aren’t happening to us or our countries. ‘Ask not for whom the bell tolls- it tolls for thee.’

No, it’s not. Don’t use such passive language, they either crossed the border illegally or overstayed their visa.

‘Alien’ is a legal term, has a precise meaning in immigration law. Undocumented is the euphemism, and it’s so misleading because the lack of paperwork isn’t often the issue—it is the lack of authorization.

Most humans are capable of being outraged about more than one thing at a time. Get your own thread.

Where was this manufactured outrage some years ago during Obama's 'reign'. He had more people deported than anyone else in recent history! But since he was so admired (admittedly by me too at the time) no one bat an eye that he kept kids in cases and showed far less mercy.

The thing is, I wish we lived in a world where a strongly worded letter would get them to leave, but that’s not the case.

You really have no solution beyond, just let 20 million people stay. Because it would be mean or something to make them go home.

people are being attacked on the streets when they are just existing within their community

People are attacking federal agents for doing a job we’ve hired them to do, which is detain and deport people who won’t leave when asked to do so

He manged to do with without his work force involved visibly and publically shooting people - US citizens - in the face - at least twice in two seperate incidents that have hit news headlines world wide.

Means many US citizens could ignore entire thing- even kids in cages as never hit the news cycle in the same way and world didn't really see it.

It's why people think there more going on with Trumps efforts - that perhaps it's so OTT so the population react and martial law is declared and elections can get stopped or to distract from other things.

When did Congress vote to approve these heavy-handed tactics? It's the methods that are the issue here.

Have you seen the brutal way ICE have behaved recently? Very much brownshirts in Minnesota. It's their methods that are the issue.

So men dressed like the Provisional IRA beating people up is the answer?

So Obama was able to do this by picking up people at border crossings, placing them directly in detention, asylum proceedings could happen fairly quickly. As few have any basis for asylum, most would be swiftly deported. He was actually fairly good on this point.

Biden did catch and release, which scattered millions of illegal aliens all across America. That makes deporting them much, much more difficult. It’s like Biden et al didn’t care whether they ever left ….

So yeah. Biden fucked things up

Don't be scared. They don't have a plan and just operate on a random nonsense basis. This ICE man has a Philipino wife - they are brainless disorgarnised idiots and their time is ending very soon.

About Farage, who cares. Thanks God many of us are EU married with British so at least we have a chance to move to mainland if he gets elected.

There’s a difference between being concerned about what’s happening thousands of miles away and lying in bed terrified about it.
A bit more perspective is needed if you don’t want to drive yourself into severe anxiety and/or insanity.

It’s like going back in time this thread. Trying to win arguments by guilting people into letting you redefine words. I haven’t seen this for years.

The government of a supposed democracy is sending violent, unaccountable, lawless men to occupy cities run by their political opponents and to harrass minority groups and attack anyone trying to protect them.

Given the above it's probably not a great idea to actively go out of your way to interact with/challenge such men.

I still don't understand what was going on when Renee Good was shot. Why was she parked sideways in the middle of the road, causing the authorities to confront her? Why was her wife outside the car having heated conversations with ICE officers?

And most of all, why on earth would you resist them when the most common reason for shooting a driver seems to be the perception that they were going to commit vehicular assault? (see link below). It's already happened a number of times in the last year, as have incidents where drivers have shot and killed ICE agents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shootings_by_U.S._immigration_agents_in_the_second_Trump_administration

Activists are making their job way more dangerous and difficult than it needs to be.

I don't know how Obama did it - wasn't paying attention as I'm not in US.

Do know he manged to do it much more effectivley huge numbers way more than Trump and in such a way it wasn't hitting internal headlines - so assume he was doing it with a competent workforce and a coherant plan.

I think that's a lot of Trump issues - I mean 70 something million voted for him so must agree with his policies - so it must be execution and competent. The constant blame Biden - I thought Biden was too old and ill and unimpressive from my view abroad but Trump administration constant need to blame Biden for stuff they've fucked up is amazing.

Polticans do it here but with much less impact - Labour balming 14 years of Tory already pretty much worn out with most of the electorate and media- it's a yes but what have you done.

Activist happen in other countries other countries have better trained staff who de escalate and manage the situations much better.

I am also worried about the world. The right growing everywhere, Putin, Trump, breakdown of post war world order, threats of a new world war, the growth of fascism. It is scary. Would you go back and tell people in the 1930s that the best thing to do would be not to take it personally, or not to watch the news?

There was a detail about the partners screaming “why did you have real bullets?” at the agents after the shooting.

Thats what I find so disgusting about the whole scenario. People frightening each other into playacting as activists and taking stupid risks, with no understanding at all of the danger they are playing with.

The problem is it's almost impossible to get a clear picture of events nowadays as people are so disingenuous on both sides. Bit like the whole trans thing where each side seems hellbent on capturing every little soundbite/twitter screenshot as 'evidence' and generally twisting things way out of context at every possible opportunity.

Obv two different people can watch the same video and arrive at different conclusions, but here it's almost impossible to work out what literally happened. We have one side talking about domestic terrorists and how an officer 'was lucky to escape with his life' and is in hospital with internal bleeding after being struck with the vehicle. Meanwhile, there are videos showing said officer walking away from the car seemingly unharmed.

Then the other side is painting a picture where a completely innocent woman going about her business was randomly shot by ICE out of the blue. Her ex says she was just doing the school run, but somehow this involved parking sideways in the road, conveniently right next to where ICE were operating. And for some reason her wife was already out the car having snarky interactions with said officers.

And then there seems to be evidence that she was part of an anti-ICE group who would stalk them and interfere with raids by blowing their whistles to alert any criminals that might want to flee arrest - Good's wife apparently said "we have our whistles, they have their guns" on the day of the shooting. And then there are photos doing the rounds of Renee protesting aggressively at some other event.

Seems to me to be a case of overzealous law enforcement (likely compounded by recent fatal shootings of colleagues), a slightly unstable/volatile officer who had recently been rammed by a car, and a couple of idiots who were trying to cause unrest by following officers and assisting criminals in escaping arrest.

I'm not surprised something went wrong tbh!

Well carry on as you are then 🙄