To feel weird about Brownies because there’s a boy there?

[ElizaDolittle124]

Was invited to Brownies tonight to see my daughter do her ‘promise’. Was a bit awkward as it turns out there’s a boy in the group. Another parent turned up with a younger sibling who immediately said loudly ‘mummy why is there a boy here?’ The mum was v flustered trying to explain he wanted to join in and the child just said ‘but brownies is for girls’ until she told him to be quiet.

I just feel a bit weird that I didn’t know. The whole reason we joined brownies was for the girls only environment, which my daughter was really excited about. Feel like I should have just put her in the scouts instead now (which would have been more convenient). But my friend is one of the brownie leaders and she encouraged me by promoting the idea of a girl’s only space.

There’s a brownie camp sleepover thing next month where they sleep in dormitories. My daughter can’t go anyway as we have other plans that weekend, but it’s got me wondering how they’re going to arrange that? Surely they can’t have the boy sleeping separately in a room on his own, but equally he can’t go with the girls?

@ElizaDolittle124 To those asking if he was really a boy.

Can you elaborate on this? Children are fairly gender-neutral in appearance and a female child with short hair is indistinguishable from a male child with short hair.

Have you questioned them about it? It seems an obvious step to take.

It’s girls only and they have confirmed (begrudgingly) that no “trans” boys are allowed from I think May this year. I would ask the question of the leaders. Maybe the boy is staying right up until the ban?

Do you think so?

On the whole, I think it's clear.

Not sure I feel comfortable raising it to be honest.

So this whole post is based on what you saw one night that may happen once in a blue moon...hmmm!

Don't ignore this. Ask for clarification on their policy. As stated above the GG Association declared they are going to comply with the law, very reluctantly, good of them...

If he's wearing the uniform it's quite likely it's going to be more often than that

Scouts has been a mixed sex organisation since 1991.

The leader probably stuck him in spare uniform as she had some!

Seriously? I know it’s tempting to try and find the ‘reasonable’ explanation against all odds but we know that Brownies and GG prioritise boys and sometimes men with extremely poor judgement (see ‘Monica’ Tetley and his fetish pics - former GG adviser) over the safeguarding and wellbeing of girls do this doesn’t come as a surprise.

She said he was in uniform?

The whole reason we joined brownies was for the girls only environment, which my daughter was really excited about.

The girls and what they might want really gets forgotten in all of this.

Girls only is girls only. Easier for a parent doesn’t come into it. Whether or not that child is a “predator” doesn’t come into it. It’s Girls Only.

Yes, small boys and small girls look identical. Why would they look different?

The difference is due to the different ways in which they dress, style their hair, and present themselves. Not biology.

So given that a girl with short hair would look identical to a boy with short hair, how would OP know if the child was a boy or a girl? There has been no further information on this.

Why.?

They are separate organisations. What one does has nothing to do with the other.

Eh?! Why?! Cubs / Scouts made their decision. Why does tha making that decision mean a different organisation should then be forced to mirror it?!

Why did your mind go straight to 'predator'?

That doesn't have to be the only reason. Many girls flourish in a girls-only space. I don't see why they should be denied that when there are mixed-sex alternatives available.

Sorry, it's Mumsnet. You're right.

Parents that are desperate to “affirm” and don’t want their child to grow out of this phase?

They are doing whatever they can to keep boys in.
Their demonstration in London last month had the father of a 6yr old transgirl speaking, aswell as Alan 'Sarah Jane' Baker attending who is an attempted murderer and torturer.
I'd get my daughter out of there ASAP.

As with any law there is an expectation of compliance and parents not lying and hiding the truth. Anyone found to not be doing so should face appropriate consequences.

Ask your friend

Sadly, girls have massively taken over the scout/cub/beaver scene which now means a lot less of the boys can go on the international trips. Because of course they have to be ‘fair’ to the girls and trips are 50/50.

brownies/guides are girl only. There was recently a ruling on it. Are you sure it was a boy, because I don’t think it could have been.

Not sure why there’s 2 groups for girls and the boys get nothing that’s only for boys. Seems very unfair to me!

I wish they would sort it out and make one for boys and one for girls. The scout group near me, all the girls also attended guides so get 2 lots of trips etc, the boys seem to get hardly anything. Madness. It’s gone too far the other way now.

I do think this is a real disadvantage for boys, who need their boy time.
Why can’t these organisations see this?? Scout association should buck their ideas up.

Could you try girl brigade/boys brigade? Surely they are not mixed?? 😂🤯

That'll probably be because this didn't happen, eh?