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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Should I be proud or angry??

381 replies

Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 16:54

My 14 yo son is a blackbelt in Taekwondo. He worked really hard to get there, has always had a lot of discipline and regularly competes in competitions. It’s been drilled into him by his teacher and myself that the best way to avoid physical conflict is to walk away and Taekwondo also taught him de-escalation techniques and how to avoid getting into fights. It’s a sport for him. He’s never been in a fight other than the odd push or shove in the playground in his life…until the other day. A boy in the year above him has been “hassling” him for months, as he puts it. I’d call it bullying. He’s had racist abuse from this boy (DS is mixed race in a very white school) I’ve spoken to the school about this, nothing ever seems to change. The boy’s deliberately tripped him up a number of times, causing him to fall, taunts him, steals & hides his schoolbag, and has shoved him more than once. From what I know DS gives back as good as he gets verbally but has never retaliated physically. The other day however, this boy shoved him hard (not just according to DS, multiple witnesses also) against his locker and called him a horrible racial slur and DS finally cracked. He floored him with a kick to the head! The boy wasn’t knocked out or anything and according to DS he didn’t kick with full force but it did knock him to the ground. There was no real damage done, it wasn’t severe enough for him to go to hospital or even go home from school (the school didn’t find out about the incident till much later in the day). I’m in conversation with the school about it now and DS is temporarily suspended pending a final outcome but the other boy hasn’t been suspended. AIBU to be backing my son here? The other boy started it - he got physical first, my son was defending himself, he’s been bullied by this boy for months (who is far bigger and stronger than DS) including being racially abused and the school did nothing about it. IMO this boy had it coming. DS also used a controlled kick, deliberately designed not to do severe damage. I’d never usually defend my son using violence, other than in self-defence, especially because of how highly trained he is, but in this situation I feel it was warranted. As a black woman, if someone called me what that boy called my son (especially if they also shoved me like he did) I can’t say they wouldn’t get a flying kick to the head either! For that reason alone I can’t condemn him for doing what he did. I do feel uncomfortable with condoning violence but I also feel proud my boy stood up for himself AND managed to have the discipline in the heat of the moment not to hurt him more severely (which he definitely could of done). And part of me feels like saying to the school, well if you let racism go unchecked what did you think was going to happen?! Needless to say the boy won’t be bothering him again and he’s now a bit of a hero around school!

OP posts:
MikeRafone · 13/01/2026 20:58

Does the school have a racist policy?
when is the investigation into them not following there own policy going to take place?

these are quest that need to be asked

attack verbally now and don’t stop until they understand they failed in their obligation

tsmainsqueeze · 13/01/2026 21:01

As the mother of 2 now adult sons i am 100% on your sons side and bloody well good for him!!!!!!
I always told my boys to walk away and never cause trouble but if they had to retaliate then to do it twice as hard back and i would sort it out .
I would be shouting from the roof tops to that head about the racist abuse to your son and i would not let it go .
Make sure the school knows what and when that shit has been up to and demand to know how he will be punished and how your son will be 'protected ' from further abuse verbal and physical .
You should be very proud of your boy , i hope this gets sorted out fairly and quickly.

DoIdriveaVauxhallZafira · 13/01/2026 21:05

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/01/2026 20:58

Not the point. Everyone is going on about how wrong Son was to kick the bully, once and in a controlled way; the bully had been using violence against Son for quite a while and is lucky none of it had serious consequences, isn't he. Suppose when he pushed Son over, Son had cracked his skull! We ought to be being shocked about that possibility, shouldn't we.

It is the point.
If the racist had been injured - or worse, even with a controlled kick, then the op and her son would be at the police station right now. He would be facing charges.

downunder50 · 13/01/2026 21:06

The school has failed him really badly by the sounds of it. I'd never condone violence normally but if no one will help you then often the only way to stop a bully is to stand up to them.

I'd allow him to be punished - he did wrong even if he had good reason, but I'd be giving the school hell over the other boy too.

Racist behaviour is a serious safeguarding issue in schools, find out who the DSL is and ask them what is going to be done about it. I'd be furious.

Dymaxion · 13/01/2026 21:08

Never head, as other's have said, regardless of how controlled you are, you do not control the way the other person falls and this is how fatalities occur. Far, far better to just go straight for the bollocks and then gently lower them to the floor Grin

I am interested to know why this particular child appears to have a get out of jail free card when it comes to racism ? How have the school been dealing with it up to this point , if at all ?

Spacetours · 13/01/2026 21:11

Proud and I would be complaining and escalating to governors about their failure to deal with racism. This is a serious failing.

I mean brilliant that he sorted him out but probably a little lacking in political diplomacy as a kick to the head is very emotive. I mean I think he could hurt him in many less provocative ways. My son did similar but with his boxing skills - after lots of provocation it’s practically doing the other kid a favour.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/01/2026 21:14

DoIdriveaVauxhallZafira · 13/01/2026 21:05

It is the point.
If the racist had been injured - or worse, even with a controlled kick, then the op and her son would be at the police station right now. He would be facing charges.

And if the son had been injured? Which is at least as likely.

Pudmyboy · 13/01/2026 21:14

All those catastrophising about what didn't happen, all the incidents where DS was tripped over and shove could have had the same result
I think @SinnerBoy makes a very good point, all of the assaults on the OP's son could have led to serious harm, yet no-one seems to be bothered about that!

Mumtobabyhavoc · 13/01/2026 21:15

Support. Your. Son.
It was self-defence.

LifeQuestion · 13/01/2026 21:15

Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 16:54

My 14 yo son is a blackbelt in Taekwondo. He worked really hard to get there, has always had a lot of discipline and regularly competes in competitions. It’s been drilled into him by his teacher and myself that the best way to avoid physical conflict is to walk away and Taekwondo also taught him de-escalation techniques and how to avoid getting into fights. It’s a sport for him. He’s never been in a fight other than the odd push or shove in the playground in his life…until the other day. A boy in the year above him has been “hassling” him for months, as he puts it. I’d call it bullying. He’s had racist abuse from this boy (DS is mixed race in a very white school) I’ve spoken to the school about this, nothing ever seems to change. The boy’s deliberately tripped him up a number of times, causing him to fall, taunts him, steals & hides his schoolbag, and has shoved him more than once. From what I know DS gives back as good as he gets verbally but has never retaliated physically. The other day however, this boy shoved him hard (not just according to DS, multiple witnesses also) against his locker and called him a horrible racial slur and DS finally cracked. He floored him with a kick to the head! The boy wasn’t knocked out or anything and according to DS he didn’t kick with full force but it did knock him to the ground. There was no real damage done, it wasn’t severe enough for him to go to hospital or even go home from school (the school didn’t find out about the incident till much later in the day). I’m in conversation with the school about it now and DS is temporarily suspended pending a final outcome but the other boy hasn’t been suspended. AIBU to be backing my son here? The other boy started it - he got physical first, my son was defending himself, he’s been bullied by this boy for months (who is far bigger and stronger than DS) including being racially abused and the school did nothing about it. IMO this boy had it coming. DS also used a controlled kick, deliberately designed not to do severe damage. I’d never usually defend my son using violence, other than in self-defence, especially because of how highly trained he is, but in this situation I feel it was warranted. As a black woman, if someone called me what that boy called my son (especially if they also shoved me like he did) I can’t say they wouldn’t get a flying kick to the head either! For that reason alone I can’t condemn him for doing what he did. I do feel uncomfortable with condoning violence but I also feel proud my boy stood up for himself AND managed to have the discipline in the heat of the moment not to hurt him more severely (which he definitely could of done). And part of me feels like saying to the school, well if you let racism go unchecked what did you think was going to happen?! Needless to say the boy won’t be bothering him again and he’s now a bit of a hero around school!

I think the advice years ago, about being kind, not responding, and reporting bullying to the school authorities is just not working. I believe, and this may be an unpopular opinion, that if children don’t strike back the bullying never stops. If I had a child, I’d be preparing them to stand up for themselves, and not shrink away. Schools can’t cope, it’s every child for themselves or in therapy in later life.

HereintheloveofChristIstand · 13/01/2026 21:20

I'd be proud, yes and furious that the school have not safeguarded your son before when they knew he was being bullied.

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 13/01/2026 21:22

WandaW · 13/01/2026 17:09

Unlikely. If he’s a black belt he knows how hard he’s going to kick someone - he would have control

What absolute bullshit.

A kick to the head can kill....end of

BusyPeachEagle · 13/01/2026 21:25

I can sympathise that your son finally snapped, and give him some compassionate understanding for that. However, a kick to the head can kill. One kick or punch can kill. Then your son would be in a whole different situation with lifelong ramifications.

DoIdriveaVauxhallZafira · 13/01/2026 21:26

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/01/2026 21:14

And if the son had been injured? Which is at least as likely.

You can keep arguing with me but you won't change my opinion.

If the son was injured then the racist would have been in front of a judge. That's the law.

Personally, I wouldn't want my son to be provoked into risking their entire life & future that way.

And actually I haven't said he was wrong to put the bully on the floor, just that he's capable of doing so safely, so he should have done it safely.

A controlled kick to the head is still a kick to the head, and no kick to the head is safe.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/01/2026 21:26

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 13/01/2026 21:22

What absolute bullshit.

A kick to the head can kill....end of

A shove causing a fall can kill .... end of. (Which was done to the victim of the racist bullying.)

The son is the victim here, not his bully; blaming the victim for something which did not happen is kinda unreasonable.

canklesmctacotits · 13/01/2026 21:27

He did the right thing, and I'd be asking the governors and appropriate staff for answers to why a child should be suspended for a single act of self-defence when violent and racially aggravated bullying results in nothing at all. I'd arm myself with the relevant part of the school's policy on bullying and racism on premises.

Please tell your son that he's an example, and that a random middle-aged woman thousands of miles away is proud of him for showing skilled restraint and control when provoked. And congrats on the black belt.

GreenRedFlowers · 13/01/2026 21:29

It's understandable why your son reacted in that way but I would talk to him about the consequences of using violence unless his life is under real threat that knocks someone to the ground.

The risk isn't the kick, con it's the landing. All it takes is a bad crack to the head on a hard floor, a kerb or furniture as you go down and you may have a cerebral haemorrhage and a dead child.

There are literally legions of manslaughter and murder cases like this where a punch results in a fall, a head injury and death and good people whose lives are ruined forever.

Your son sounds like a good kid. He's been lucky this time but you don't want him in jail.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 13/01/2026 21:30

"The other day however, this boy shoved him hard (not just according to DS, multiple witnesses also) against his locker and called him a horrible racial slur [...]."

As a stand alone event this would enrage me. However, this is the most recent of many incidents. The perpetrator is not just a bully. He is a violent racist that has been assaulting OP's son with impunity. I would be putting that to the school administration and asking why they have turned a blind eye, or even sanctioned such behaviour.

@Seymorbutts Please get outside advice. Don't let the racial aspect slide.

blackequityorg.com/who-we-are/

Nextweektoo · 13/01/2026 21:31

The other boy earned it, well done to your son!

Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 21:32

Sorry I had to post my OP then go straight out! Don’t think I’ll get through all the replies but thank you to most posters for confirming what I already felt - he had it coming and also relief and pride that my son won’t put up with bullies and especially racism. I had no idea every complaint about racism had to be logged. Is it just complaint or evidence-based incident? Because I’ve complained to the school before and been told that the boy’s denied it, there were no witnesses but that it would be “fully investigated” and often they haven’t followed up. The school is Catholic so while it’s still a state school it often seems to operate like it’s a private school and do whatever the hell it wants!

OP posts:
LadySlipper · 13/01/2026 21:32

I'd 100% be proud of him and back him all the way at that school. That bully has played a stupid game and won himself a stupid prize.

GloriousGiftBag · 13/01/2026 21:33

Toddlerteaplease · 13/01/2026 17:00

He could have killed him with a kick to the head. Or caused a serious injury. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Edited

Agreed.

It is a mistake to think your son had the ability to careful control what harm was done. It's just luck. There's an episode of 24 Hours where a previously decent boy kills someone with one punch. The police involved all talk of their mixed feelings about it. That could be your ds.

It is utterly unacceptable for your ds to he subject to racist harassment at school. But there are many other ways to sort it and outside of school if your ds tries to sort issues with violence he will be in a very difficult place re consequences very quickly.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 13/01/2026 21:36

Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 21:32

Sorry I had to post my OP then go straight out! Don’t think I’ll get through all the replies but thank you to most posters for confirming what I already felt - he had it coming and also relief and pride that my son won’t put up with bullies and especially racism. I had no idea every complaint about racism had to be logged. Is it just complaint or evidence-based incident? Because I’ve complained to the school before and been told that the boy’s denied it, there were no witnesses but that it would be “fully investigated” and often they haven’t followed up. The school is Catholic so while it’s still a state school it often seems to operate like it’s a private school and do whatever the hell it wants!

That is classic behaviour to deny racism and racist violence.

again:

blackequityorg.com/who-we-are/

SunnySideDeepDown · 13/01/2026 21:36

I’d be proud too. F* the school and what the head thinks - real life is much more than just school. Your son stood up for himself, I’d be proud. The other boy may think twice before he starts on anyone else now.

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 13/01/2026 21:38

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/01/2026 21:26

A shove causing a fall can kill .... end of. (Which was done to the victim of the racist bullying.)

The son is the victim here, not his bully; blaming the victim for something which did not happen is kinda unreasonable.

Its"kinda unreasonable" to imply that i said anything about who was to blame.

You keep thinking that a shove that may cause a fall is equal to a kick to the head and I'll keep calling bullshit