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AIBU to worry my nearly 5yo only wants to do fun stuff?

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LeopardSnow · 11/01/2026 15:46

I’m struggling to work out whether my nearly five year old’s strong focus on his own enjoyment and avoidance of anything boring or effortful is normal for his age, or something we should be actively addressing.

My son is nearly five. He’s bright, extremely active, curious, chatty and cheeky. He can also be quite hard work. If anyone has read the Just William books, that’s basically him / who he will probably be in a couple of years. He’s hugely motivated by things that interest him and will put loads of energy and focus into them. He can also do long stretches of independent pretend play, sometimes up to an hour. He loves nature, science and learning about things that genuinely motivate him. Loves stories and making up games.

But…. ANYTHING he sees as boring, difficult or like work or that is not focused on him is a real struggle.

Examples of what I mean:

  • He’ll be full of energy at the park but as soon as it’s time to walk home (5mins) is mysteriously exhausted and starts wheedling for a piggyback.
  • He makes little effort to dress himself and if we insist will usually pay no attention and end up with everything on wrong and insist we help him, if we do help him he will go floppy so we end up physically moving his limbs into sleeves which allows him to carry on chatting or playing. He definitely can dress himself as he does it at school for PE etc, he would just rather not.
  • He finds errands, and things like popping to the shops boring and will whine or get cross when we say what the plan is, then kick off or make trouble
  • He moans about phonics or maths practice (5 minutes) although he is capable when he concentrates, unless it’s turned into a game.
  • Won’t tidy toys unless we make a “threat” e.g. cannot go to the park until toys are tidy, or turn it into a game - beat the clock.
  • If we do something that isn’t about him, like talking to each other or reading for a few minutes, or focusing on his younger sister he will sometimes interrupt or kick off to get attention.

For context, he has a little sister who he is sometimes lovely too, limited screen time - a low intensity programme for about half an hour a day and doesn’t even know what YouTube is or how to work a phone screen, we read a lot, he has a Yoto, and we do crafts and cooking and playing together, garden play, time alone with his Lego and animals and trips to the park and library.

What I am trying to work out is whether this level of self centredness and resistance to effort / anything that is not fun or about his own interests is typical at this age, or whether we should be doing more to build his tolerance for things that are not fun or about him?

I don’t expect a four year old to be selfless or driven, but real life - including lots of childhood involves boredom, effort, waiting and letting other people have attention, and I don’t want to raise someone who can only cope if everything is entertaining or about him and who shirks work / lets future partners carry the load.

Is this a normal developmental phase, a spirited child, or something we should gently push back on more? Any tips from those with older children on how this played out?

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Moonnstarz · 11/01/2026 15:48

Sounds pretty normal to me. Mine are still like this now as pre teens! If we go for a walk this usually requires a bribe of hot chocolates in winter or ice creams in summer.

Surely it's no different than as an adult, only we have better understanding of how we just need to get on with things and not everything in life will be fun.

Didimum · 11/01/2026 15:54

Completely unremarkable for a 5yr old (and a 6 and 7yr old …). 8yrs might show a touch more tolerance.

NeverCouldGetTheHangOfThursdays · 11/01/2026 15:54

What you're describing sounds like a perfectly normal 4 year old 😂

Hatty65 · 11/01/2026 15:56

Four year olds only want to do fun stuff. Always. No matter how bright they are. They are four.

(Most adults don't want to do boring stuff either)

EleventyThree · 11/01/2026 16:01

It is normal.

Have a search for the concept of "frustration tolerance" in children. It's something that has to be built and continually reinforced.

LeopardSnow · 11/01/2026 16:01

Sigh, part of me was hoping others would reply saying - no my 4/5 year old takes pride in being able to dress himself and master phonics.

He is a lovely kid, but I guess kids are just selfish little buggers!

I think what prompted this post is that right at the end of the Christmas holls I had the audacity to pop something on the telly that wasn’t a kid show and he absolutely LOST it and told me I was a terrible mummy, and he NEVER got to watch his own shows. I pointed out that he had watched something every day of the holidays and this was the first time all winter that I’d put on a grown up show - while he was awake

His reply - NO NO NO you can do boring grown up things while I am asleep - or maybe in the spring! When I am awake in winter it is only about me!!!!

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shouldofgotamortage · 11/01/2026 16:01

sounds like a perfectly normal 4 year old. Your worried for no reason.

StepawayfromtheLindors · 11/01/2026 16:02

WTH
He’s FIVE
poor boy

AmyDudley · 11/01/2026 16:03

Sounds pretty typical for a 5 year old.
I'm 66 and quite often feel like going floppy when its time to get dressed.

CaptainMyCaptain · 11/01/2026 16:03

Sounds normal.

EleventyThree · 11/01/2026 16:04

LeopardSnow · 11/01/2026 16:01

Sigh, part of me was hoping others would reply saying - no my 4/5 year old takes pride in being able to dress himself and master phonics.

He is a lovely kid, but I guess kids are just selfish little buggers!

I think what prompted this post is that right at the end of the Christmas holls I had the audacity to pop something on the telly that wasn’t a kid show and he absolutely LOST it and told me I was a terrible mummy, and he NEVER got to watch his own shows. I pointed out that he had watched something every day of the holidays and this was the first time all winter that I’d put on a grown up show - while he was awake

His reply - NO NO NO you can do boring grown up things while I am asleep - or maybe in the spring! When I am awake in winter it is only about me!!!!

I've been there too... At a similar age, our kid had a 45-minute meltdown because we dared to sit in the living room while he watched TV. He wanted the whole place to himself and for us to piss off and mill about in the hallway or something. He's 11 now and much more able to tolerate the needs/desires of other people. It's tough but there's hope - hang in there!

LeopardSnow · 11/01/2026 16:04

StepawayfromtheLindors · 11/01/2026 16:02

WTH
He’s FIVE
poor boy

Why poor boy? We’re hardly sending him down the mines, we’d just like it if he could bother to put his own arms into his sleeves

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LeopardSnow · 11/01/2026 16:06

EleventyThree · 11/01/2026 16:04

I've been there too... At a similar age, our kid had a 45-minute meltdown because we dared to sit in the living room while he watched TV. He wanted the whole place to himself and for us to piss off and mill about in the hallway or something. He's 11 now and much more able to tolerate the needs/desires of other people. It's tough but there's hope - hang in there!

Thanks. He did offer me a bit of his toast this morning, because he thought I looked hungry, so perhaps there is hope…

Just the one bite though

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EleventyThree · 11/01/2026 16:08

LeopardSnow · 11/01/2026 16:06

Thanks. He did offer me a bit of his toast this morning, because he thought I looked hungry, so perhaps there is hope…

Just the one bite though

😂
It's so funny when their selfless side appears for a sec then swiftly disappears again

Sleepasaurus · 11/01/2026 16:08

He’s only little. Why should he do boring things? (I don’t want to either).

HoskinsChoice · 11/01/2026 16:09

It is normal but that doesn't make it acceptable. Don't let him get away with any of it otherwise you will have a spoilt brat on your hands and your son is going to have one hell of a challenge when school or work starts and he realises that not everything is fun and sometimes you have to conform to life rules and structure.

brunettemic · 11/01/2026 16:09

I’m 44 and I only want to do fun stuff. I very
much begrudge everything else 😂
But your child is entirely normal by the sounds of it.

OnlyReplyToIdiots · 11/01/2026 16:11

LeopardSnow · 11/01/2026 16:01

Sigh, part of me was hoping others would reply saying - no my 4/5 year old takes pride in being able to dress himself and master phonics.

He is a lovely kid, but I guess kids are just selfish little buggers!

I think what prompted this post is that right at the end of the Christmas holls I had the audacity to pop something on the telly that wasn’t a kid show and he absolutely LOST it and told me I was a terrible mummy, and he NEVER got to watch his own shows. I pointed out that he had watched something every day of the holidays and this was the first time all winter that I’d put on a grown up show - while he was awake

His reply - NO NO NO you can do boring grown up things while I am asleep - or maybe in the spring! When I am awake in winter it is only about me!!!!

Part of you was hoping your DS was harder than other children of his age?

OK….

Haemagoblin · 11/01/2026 16:12

LeopardSnow · 11/01/2026 15:46

I’m struggling to work out whether my nearly five year old’s strong focus on his own enjoyment and avoidance of anything boring or effortful is normal for his age, or something we should be actively addressing.

My son is nearly five. He’s bright, extremely active, curious, chatty and cheeky. He can also be quite hard work. If anyone has read the Just William books, that’s basically him / who he will probably be in a couple of years. He’s hugely motivated by things that interest him and will put loads of energy and focus into them. He can also do long stretches of independent pretend play, sometimes up to an hour. He loves nature, science and learning about things that genuinely motivate him. Loves stories and making up games.

But…. ANYTHING he sees as boring, difficult or like work or that is not focused on him is a real struggle.

Examples of what I mean:

  • He’ll be full of energy at the park but as soon as it’s time to walk home (5mins) is mysteriously exhausted and starts wheedling for a piggyback.
  • He makes little effort to dress himself and if we insist will usually pay no attention and end up with everything on wrong and insist we help him, if we do help him he will go floppy so we end up physically moving his limbs into sleeves which allows him to carry on chatting or playing. He definitely can dress himself as he does it at school for PE etc, he would just rather not.
  • He finds errands, and things like popping to the shops boring and will whine or get cross when we say what the plan is, then kick off or make trouble
  • He moans about phonics or maths practice (5 minutes) although he is capable when he concentrates, unless it’s turned into a game.
  • Won’t tidy toys unless we make a “threat” e.g. cannot go to the park until toys are tidy, or turn it into a game - beat the clock.
  • If we do something that isn’t about him, like talking to each other or reading for a few minutes, or focusing on his younger sister he will sometimes interrupt or kick off to get attention.

For context, he has a little sister who he is sometimes lovely too, limited screen time - a low intensity programme for about half an hour a day and doesn’t even know what YouTube is or how to work a phone screen, we read a lot, he has a Yoto, and we do crafts and cooking and playing together, garden play, time alone with his Lego and animals and trips to the park and library.

What I am trying to work out is whether this level of self centredness and resistance to effort / anything that is not fun or about his own interests is typical at this age, or whether we should be doing more to build his tolerance for things that are not fun or about him?

I don’t expect a four year old to be selfless or driven, but real life - including lots of childhood involves boredom, effort, waiting and letting other people have attention, and I don’t want to raise someone who can only cope if everything is entertaining or about him and who shirks work / lets future partners carry the load.

Is this a normal developmental phase, a spirited child, or something we should gently push back on more? Any tips from those with older children on how this played out?

This post is making me laugh. Child doesn't like to do boring stuff and pushes boundaries shocker.

Frankly I still don't like doing boring stuff and do as little of it as circumstances let me get away with. For some of us it's a lifestyle rather than a developmental stage 😁

DoIdriveaVauxhallZafira · 11/01/2026 16:13

no my 4/5 year old takes pride in being able to dress himself and master phonics

😁That parent would either be unbearably smug or worrying that their child was ND

It sounds very frustrating @LeopardSnow but even I (who apparently by mumsnet standards am a veritable authoritarian), he sounds a perfectly normal (and happy) little boy!

EleventyThree · 11/01/2026 16:22

HoskinsChoice · 11/01/2026 16:09

It is normal but that doesn't make it acceptable. Don't let him get away with any of it otherwise you will have a spoilt brat on your hands and your son is going to have one hell of a challenge when school or work starts and he realises that not everything is fun and sometimes you have to conform to life rules and structure.

Define "not letting him get away with it"

LeopardSnow · 11/01/2026 16:26

He used to ask me to hold his penis and aim it into the toilet while he was weeing, because he was too busy keeping an eye on the window in case he saw any endangered species in the garden to hold it himself (the window in the loo is too high for him to see out of).

I politely declined

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Quagmireschin · 11/01/2026 16:28

I’m 46 and I only want to do fun stuff.

I am currently hiding in the spare room because I don’t want to cook anyone dinner.

Christ, I’ve even had lots of children so I didn’t have to go to work. That one backfired, to be fair.

CaptainMyCaptain · 11/01/2026 16:33

LeopardSnow · 11/01/2026 16:26

He used to ask me to hold his penis and aim it into the toilet while he was weeing, because he was too busy keeping an eye on the window in case he saw any endangered species in the garden to hold it himself (the window in the loo is too high for him to see out of).

I politely declined

That's funny 😁 but of course you don't do it. Nice try though, very imaginative, you just have to strike a balance. .

HoskinsChoice · 11/01/2026 16:35

EleventyThree · 11/01/2026 16:22

Define "not letting him get away with it"

Well just that! Don't give piggy backs when he's being idle, don't switch the grown up programme off and let him watch kids stuff if he complains etc etc. Make sure there's repercussions. Surely you know the basics of discipline? (Unless you don't have kids).

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