Military conscription

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There is lots of talk about if ww3 happens then military conscription will happen

This is basically people who sit in an office safely saying we need to either send ourselves or out children to fight and die in horrible conditions

Am I unreasonable to think that anyone who thinks this is a good idea

They should be the first ones to sign up and to lead by example

Any politicians who think this is a good idea, there children should be the first to go

Russia is literally sending troops in wheel chairs and crunches to the front line

So age, disability and gender will not be a problem for anyone who supports any conscription policy's, they can go first

Also the UK will not be invaded, we are not Ukrainian, If we were more like Ukraine I would be more in favour of this as the country itself is under threat

The UK couldn't even support trying to deal with COVID. There is no fucking way it could be tricked into backing a war.

We’ve sent peacekeeping forces before. It doesn’t always work out well. What it isn’t, though, is evidence that Starmer wants war.

I'm confused. So your stance is: WW3 happens, only people who want to fight should go fight. Okay. So then, if we lose because there isn't enough support/troops/experience/strength ... then what? What do you think happens to you and your loved ones when invaders arrive and there's no front line to 'protect' you? Are you hoping the opposition will offer you a cup of tea, a hug and a lovely future?

Let’s hope so!

’Tricked’ into war by whom?

You don't need to hope. Just know your (or rather our) history. Although if you did, you'd stand out on this thread.

The Daily Fail probably.

So it ups the chances of conflict with Russia, we can’t pretend they’re just peace troops if someone else fires a shot. You’re in conflict then.

Why should working class british citizens, despised and ignored by the political classes, lay down their lives?

What for? Their way of life is already fading.

They supported Hitler before WW2.

There is unlikely to be conscription in Britain. Until they sort out the shit show that is recruitment (where a high percentage of candidates withdraw due to the length of time it takes) it is unlikely to have support.

This is all theoretical bollocks though isn't it? Its not the fucking hunger games where you can volunteer as tribute in place of someone else. Airy fairy nonsense.

And you think life under Putin would be a bed of roses ?

We are already in conflict with Russia.

It would also be subject to a mountain of legal challenges.

Could you provide some links?

Me too. I'm mid a 50s female and reasonably healthy. While obviously not as agile as I used to be I'd still do what I could to defend my home/country/family/way of life etc.

I'm surprised so many on this thread apparently wouldn't.

So ?

The law is only what parliament says it is. And that can be changed

Obviously not.

But I think the establishment needs to wake up. You can't stomp out national identity, make citizens feel that their rights and saftey are secondary considerations to political agendas, and then expect those people to lay down their lives for the country that betrayed them.

People will not fight to uphold this current system, because it isn't worth dying for.

And it’s likely they would conscript cyber security specialists first as cutting off water supplies and access to money is more likely to happen than armed conflict.

The two world wars put rockets under womens emancipation and sufferage.

Sadly, like all things that go up, they have to come down. Maybe another war is just the ticket ?

So you’d sign up?

I don’t mind if people say they will before others are asked to. To the frontline that is.

I’m not sure what use a menopausal 50-year-old woman would be, but I’d sign up tomorrow if we were under threat of being invaded by a power which was in conflict with our own country’s values. There’s a lot wrong with this country at the moment but it remains one of the best places in the world to live with a way of life worth fighting to protect IMO.

As I’ve got older and more critical of ‘the state’ and its branches of power, yes I have concerns about those branches (whether military, police or even state education) being used to advance the personal ideologies of powerful men (and it is usually men) and would worry about unwittingly being used as a pawn in that power play. However, being invaded by a hostile state is different IMO.

I wonder if people were making the same agonising decisions in 1940 as the bombs were falling. Oh, hang on, I don't need to wonder. I can remember my grandparents telling me stories.

That could be sidestepped with new legislation, as was done before (National Service (Armed Forces) Act 1939).