Military conscription

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There is lots of talk about if ww3 happens then military conscription will happen

This is basically people who sit in an office safely saying we need to either send ourselves or out children to fight and die in horrible conditions

Am I unreasonable to think that anyone who thinks this is a good idea

They should be the first ones to sign up and to lead by example

Any politicians who think this is a good idea, there children should be the first to go

Russia is literally sending troops in wheel chairs and crunches to the front line

So age, disability and gender will not be a problem for anyone who supports any conscription policy's, they can go first

Also the UK will not be invaded, we are not Ukrainian, If we were more like Ukraine I would be more in favour of this as the country itself is under threat

Oh I thought all those human rights lawyers would be concerned with people being forcibly conscripted into an army. Surely point no.one of the ECHR convention is a "Right to life". Being forced to fight against their will and risk death doesn't sound much like a right to life? Also, perhaps someone needs to tell the UK Government that the ECHR can be ignored.

I suspect they already know.

Derogation in time of emergency

“the right to derogate can be invoked only in time of war or other public emergency threatening the life of the nation”

www.echr.coe.int/documents/d/echr/fs_derogation_eng

Maybe read up on humans rights ?

TBH with Putin, Trump et al threatening to create havoc I suspect the ECHR would be told to take a hike if it tried to stop any government introducing conscription.

That would free up a few lawyers, allowing them to deploy to the front line.

All human rights are qualified. Even the right to life.

People who know about human rights know this.

People who don't ... well why don't they ? It's hardly rocket science.

A lot of this thread just seems unhinged!

I have not heard anyone talking about this at all. I haven't read anything about it.

There are a few media shills who like to generate massive clickbait with various angles of attack that can then be fed (back) into the media machine to "prove" whatever their paymasters have asked for.

The trick is to use keywords that easily fit onto the first line of an SM post on a phone. "Conscription" could have been made for the job.

It's important it's a subject that can be flooded with misinformation - that will ideally keep it going and "hot" so as to remain in trending and most viewed etc etc for as long as possible.

It would be tiresome. But it's a great way to ensure reading, writing and comprehension skills are up to scratch and ready for when it really counts.

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Starmer's never going to introduce subscription. He is appeaser.

"Starmer" can only do what parliament allows.

Parliament isn't going to introduce conscription without the agreement of the Prime Minister. What a ridiculous thing to post.

We have such a british centric island view of this which would changed instantly if we were about to be invaded

If you actually understood what the provisions of the ECHR were you would know that plenty of signatories to it also have compulsory military service.

And conscription can't be introduced without the agreement of Parliament. So the only thing Starmer can agree to is a bill being laid.

We are an island. We can't help it.

Well we can. But that needs effort.

It's axiomatic that anyone who uses the phrase "human rights lawyers" knows very little about human rights.

Obviously. But why would be do that if, as I wrote he will never introduce conscription? He will always choose appeasement.

Hmm. You say he is an appeaser. Others have called him a warmongerer. Hence we have this thread.

I'd say he is neither.

Of course "he" may not always be PM.

Chamberlain (much maligned as an appeaser) was ousted in 1940 and we got Churchill who was a little less keen on appeasement than history has recorded.

I don't think it's the fact they are pampered

The military lifestyle is something you need to want to do

If you don't want to be there then it will probably just be a drain on everyone else

Just like everything else in life

You need to want to do it

Changing it so older posters who are keen can do it sounds like a good way to get the whole electorate behind it or not.

Rather than some thinking yeh the young people who haven’t had as much life can do it instead.

Even without the US there's no way Russia is taking out NATO. Remember that training exercise where a £100m Swedish ultra quiet sub defeated a whole US carrier group and 'sank' the £6bn US Ronald Reagan undetected (sent a picture of it in the crosshairs basically showing they could've blasted it).

Repeated drills had the Gotland sub repeatedly penetrating the Reagen's defences (anti-sub aircraft, ships, and submarines) and sinking it - the Reagen alone being 60x the value of the Gotland. Following this the US had egg on their faces and requested to borrow the Gotland for two years to study it.

Exactly my point. The " forced" people are a waste of resources really

In what world is he a warmongerer? He can't stand up to his own mps, let alone an enemy aggressor. His whole thing on the world stage is appeasing Trump, if in doubt give him another state visit.

The issue that could happen is Starmer wanting troops in Ukraine in the event of a ceasefire. We’re there and that breaks, we’re in conflict with Russia then.

It can’t be some posturing photo op ‘boots on the ground’ shite. If we’re there and conflict starts, we’re in it.

Its either " signing up" or "conscription" they arent the same thing. which are you talking about?

In the event of a war there actually will be a lot of people who will put themselves forward. They will want to defend their homes,kids and lives because that will be their instinct. The same instinct that makes you opposed to it.

It could be your children or ours but if they are adults "signing up" is a free choice.

If it is conscription we are all in the same boat so there is no "going first"