Military conscription

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There is lots of talk about if ww3 happens then military conscription will happen

This is basically people who sit in an office safely saying we need to either send ourselves or out children to fight and die in horrible conditions

Am I unreasonable to think that anyone who thinks this is a good idea

They should be the first ones to sign up and to lead by example

Any politicians who think this is a good idea, there children should be the first to go

Russia is literally sending troops in wheel chairs and crunches to the front line

So age, disability and gender will not be a problem for anyone who supports any conscription policy's, they can go first

Also the UK will not be invaded, we are not Ukrainian, If we were more like Ukraine I would be more in favour of this as the country itself is under threat

Right. Maybe that veteran could read some books. Not worth it in what way? Do they support fascism and the persecution of minorities?.

Who was fighting a world war already?

It only became a world war when Britain, France and their respective worldwide empires/commonwealths declared war on Germany.

My father fought in WW2, torpedoed by German U boats (twice), injured, friends killed. He was the most gentle man you could meet. Never spoke of it. He went when he was called up, he was 21. You can enjoy the freedoms you have today because of men like my father. I don't think conscription is likely - they kill people remotely these days, but if it comes I am sure many young men and women will step up.

Britain didn't make Germany do what it did (and no one said that) but it could have stopped it with the allies but instead, for the reasons mentioned by pp, a policy of appeasement was adopted. Fascists don't stop when you give a little they want it all. He wrote a book on what he wanted.

It's very easy to dismiss this discussion as dreamy academics but it's more than that assesment and reflection on military tactics is how wars "improve", hence why ww2 wasn't fought in the trenches. It's a fact British military leaders discussed bombing the tracks into the main concentration camps but said it wasn't a priority. This is all in the imperial war museum if you wish to factory check. This issue is British kids aren't taught the real gritty truth of the war rather simplistic Germany EVIL and Britain the uncomplicated heros which creates a black and white narrative.

It's a fact British military leaders discussed bombing the tracks into the main concentration camps but said it wasn't a priority.

..and given where those rail tracks were in terms of distance from the UK, the inaccuracy in allied bombing especially early in the war, especially at range, bombing would probably have been highly ineffective and have resulted in massive losses to very little effect....hence it wasn't a priority.

It's not the young ones I'm referring to

I wonder how many middle aged people (men and women) think conscription is a really good idea

But if they were asked to serve on the front lines they would be the first to run off

My point is don't expect of others something you would not do yourself

I think when the debate about conscription comes along people need to say there honest opinions and not just rely on other people

Some people already on this post have said conscription is a good idea

But when I ask if they personally would serve

All of a sudden they have a reason not to

But would happily send someone else in their place to die

Yep this is it for me too

I'm 52, childless by choice. I'd gladly do my service so all.your children can have a future.

I would rather I was sent to a front line than a disabled person.

Its what our ancestors did and why we're here now. We have lost sight of the sacrifice they made.

I didn't expect that that we might be in a position where it happened again but we're here - facing USA as the nutters is a surprise. Weakened by Brexit at a time we need to be united with Europe to fight collectively rather than floating around as a little island all on our own.

So maybe we, as a nation, say no to the conscription of under 30s. Say take us instead. We know the population is in decline, so there must be more of us than of our kids. The kids stay here to keep the home fires burning, agriculture and manufacturing, and we fight.

This is very relevant.

There is a difference between training conscription and war mobilization.

Training conscription like in Scandinavian countries is about making sure that everyone/relevant proportion of the population is trained and ready for potential future threats - not only combat, but emergencies in general. It makes sense to focus on youngest adults to minimise disruption to their personal life and over the time build resilient nation.

Mobilisation for active war is focusing on an immediate threat and doesn't have to target 18yos. Ukraine started their mobilisation with 27-60 age group.

Warfare today is very different. It will be mostly sitting in bunkers flying armed drones attacking civilians, remote controlling robot dogs with machine guns or exploding tanks. Or flying fighter jets or bombers. Or pounding cities from ships ten miles out at sea. More civilians have been killed in the wars in Israel, Gaza, Sudan, Lebanon, and Syria than have military personnel.

That should tell you something about the future of warfare. The rule book has been tossed in the garbage. Being a civilian is no protection.

Joining up is probably the safest thing any person can do. It’s just too bad I’m too old, or I’d sign up if there were a WWIII.

Sisu!

You’ve got sons haven’t you OP. No Mother of daughters would fret this much.

When the First Battalion of the Westminster Regiment (Children of MPs and Peers brigade) have marched off you can give my children a call…

I think if we did that

The conversation about conscription would change drastically

I for one would support that idea

Everyone over 30 had to sign up and do a set amount

Men, women

Politicians (and people who voted Brexit) could do a double stint to ensure when they make decisions that have consequence for other people, they are responsible for those decisions

(I'm over 30)

Oh I do, I have two boys

And I want anyone who talks this idea up

To personally own it, I expect them to go first and to lead by example

And Brexit voters 👀

@Natsku

Can you please confirm that you personally

Would sign up to fight on the front line of any war as a conscript?

You seem in the, conscription is a good idea band wagon

Conscription worries me as my 17 year old ds attempted to take his own life when he was 12. We were told afterwards that he would never be able to join the armed forces as a result (much to MIL's annoyance). I don't know what would happen to people like ds. Would he still have to go and fight or would he be given other war related work like in a factory or hospital.

I'd be regarded as a liability for health reasons. If I could go to the front and make tea or do something in a military hospital where I wouldn't need to be supported by others (without being in the way), I believe I should serve. I simply wouldn't be physically able to do a lot of the standard soldiering. Maybe I could hide in a trench and fly drones. They're welcome to any skills that could be useful.

My father was in WWII as a teenager. He never said much about it. His uncle died in WWI. They weren't conscripted. They went over from Ireland.

Edit: I think conscription is necessary in some circumstances.

I cannot sign up for conscription as I'm over 30 and they don't take anyone over 30 in my country, but I will happily be mobilised in whatever way is required of me. As I'm trained as an aircraft mechanic I would likely be mobilised into maintenance work - everyone should do what they can do best, and use what useful skills they have.

My partner will be mobilised, as will most men I know, who already served their time as conscripts and are now part of the roughly million strong reserve force that my country has wisely trained.

What would you do?

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I love this.

I'm going to go out on a limb but haven't we had an influx of "men of fighting age" recently? They should help too

I'm sorry about your son, I went through the same as a teenager. Fuck your mil