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Am I and DH being unfair

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MumTeapot5 · 08/01/2026 12:24

New here.
As the title says, are we being unfair with eldest daughter, hear me out.
Family of 7, 2 adults, 3 children 4-14 and daughter 19 and her long term boyfriend of 5 years.
We moved into a new house mid 2025 as our old house was too small to fit our family in comfortably and we were looking actively anyway and our ideal house came on the market so we went ahead. My eldest daughter was given an upstairs bedroom of her own as each child was, but said she would rather have the downstairs bedroom (was previously a 2nd living room) for whatever reason that me and DH were going to have so all the kids were upstairs but we agreed and all went ahead and all seemed fine as she’s at an age were she could be trusted. That was my 1st mistake I guess, but I’ll come back to that.
My 2nd mistake was allowing her boyfriend to stay over a few nights a week now we had a bigger house and they have been together since they were 14 and in high school together on the agreement that she made sure any mess they made or any washing of his she was to do with her own and they tidy up after themselves.
So back to my first mistake, as I said she has the downstairs bedroom. This room has its own door off the hallway and one of the walls separate the dining room at the back of house. The first few weeks nothing was ever said but the past few weeks she keeps moaning that we are waking her up on a weekend. Now I’d understand if it was really early but she said we never get a lie in past lunch time ( I kid you not ) 🫠 her reasons to this are a list. So she or her boyfriend hears the youngest playing downstairs or singing along to songs that she likes, be that in the living room or dining room when I’m in the kitchen. She hears the noise in the kitchen from cooking/turning on the washer/drier/unloading dishwasher or whatnot. She hears people walking past her room in the hallway, she hears the dog bark etc. Now by no mean are we the quietest family ever but our other children are not elephants that stomp around or are overly loud. Myself and DH have spoken to her about how she can’t expect us all to whisper and tip toe around until gone lunchtime on a weekend especially if we are going out somewhere and getting sorted as we work full time and the dog is a dog and occasionally barks 🤷🏼‍♀️ we have offered to change rooms so she could be upstairs but she said that would be worse as our teen son likes to watch TV or play on his Xbox in his room occasionally and our other teen daughter is always chatting to her friends if we are having a chilled weekend. We tend to hear them from around 10ish but like I said they are not loud or causing a disturbance.
2nd mistake was allowing the boyfriend to stay over. As I said it was agreed that if they tidy up after themselves and do their own washing and she pays keep then we wouldn’t have an issue. I’d say in the last 5 weeks so before Xmas I have been getting up to dishes being left from them cooking if they didn’t want the same meals as us, wet washing in the machine if she’s used it at night, which I will hang up or pop in the tumble drier so I can do our washing, then she moans that her boyfriend says that he feels weird that me or DH are touching his socks/underwear etc. Bear in mind I have a teen son and a husband whose pants we wash and get out to dry regular. I’ve told her if he feels weird then they either wait for their washing to be done and hang it out or move to the drier once the cycle is done or he bags it up and he can do it on the days he is at his home as it’s not like I stand there looking at his pants and socks and judging them 🙈 I just take them out and pop them in the drier. They are being sloppy and not tidying up in general and I am starting to loose my patience.
We told her in December while it was Xmas not to stress to much about paying keep as we knew she was buying presents etc and going out with friends for meals/drinks so thought we was being nice. She’s now turned around last night and said £30 a week isn’t fair of us to ask from her (she works full time and does overtime occasionally) and we told her that £30 is fair as she’s eating the food we buy, using electricity/gas/broadband/household supplies etc. She’s stormed off into her room last night and said we are unfair and she won’t be paying us £30 anymore she will pay £15.
Just looking for some advice really to see if we are being awful parents setting certain rules and charging her keep? Also how would you tell your child if they don’t pay the £30 then they will have to buy their own food etc. Obviously we can’t stop her using the shower etc but she seems to have become very entitled lately since we moved. I’m seriously considering telling her that her boyfriend is no longer welcome to stay overnight anymore.
Sorry it’s been very long winded but thought it would be best to put the facts down as they are x

OP posts:
skyeisthelimit · 08/01/2026 14:34

she needs a strong talking to - you dictate what she pays, not the other way around.

she needs to accept that family life is not going to stop just so that she can lie in.

you need up to up her rent, and stop the bf staying over at all.

Shedeboodinia · 08/01/2026 14:34

Tell her to leave.
She will soon find out about house shares noise, noisy neighbours when living in flats and that 30 a week was a very good deal.

loislovesstewie · 08/01/2026 14:35

I wouldn't allow the boyfriend to stay at all. He's treating your home like a hotel too, it's bad enough that your daughter is teking the pee but his goes beyond that. She pays a fair share for her board and lodging and he doesn't stay over at all. Perhaps his family would like to offer a room on a similar circumstance?

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 08/01/2026 14:36

No boyfriend overnight, no doing his washing, and rent is now £50 a week.

JHound · 08/01/2026 14:36

£30 a week is CHEAP!

My brother was paying £120 over 10 years ago (a month).

I would advise her she is free to move out and pay market rates elsewhere.

I also would not be allowing the boyfriend to stay at all.

Definitelynotme2022 · 08/01/2026 14:36

I'm in a similar situation.... except that the boyfriend lives with us. I've text them all this morning to say we're having a talk later on and everybody needs to be there!

Dd's boyfriend pays £200 a month keep, when he pays it. Dd has only just started working so I've given her a couple of months grace, but she starts paying keep from the 1st Feb. I'll start with £100 a month and then increase it to £150 the following month.

But I get the mess being left, the washing left in the machine and/or dryer and everything else! I think you've been like me, and let yourself be walked all over. So for me, that stops tonight! I want rent on time, and the correct amount.

They have a holiday booked already with his parents, and are on about booking another one!! So they can't be that skint....

In your position, I think you need firm boundaries about the how many nights a week the boyfriend stays over, and that he doesn't do his laundry at your house. He's not paying to live there! It's rude and a piss take, frankly.

I'll offer my daughter and her bf the opportunity to move out into a shared room (£600 + a month round here), pay 1/2 the bills (there are 4 of us, I'm a single mum) or pay their keep on time and not expect me to be their housemaid. I'm a single mum, work full time, have 3 dogs and a ds14 who has a few issues. Life is busy enough.

lechatnoir · 08/01/2026 14:39

She's being a CF and you are doing her no favours at all in the long term. It sounds like she'd benefit from moving out so why not have a chat about how you can help her to do that. If she say she doesn't want to them make it very clear that things will be changings:

  1. Rent increase. £30pw is ridiculous and will barely cover her food let alone cf boyfriend. I'd work out a % share of bills and show her and then charge something like £100pw as a compromise.
  2. Boyfriend does not live in your house so wtf is he doing washing. That needs to stop as do regular sleepovers. Max twice a week or he will be classed as living with you and be charged the same rent.
  3. Stop doing their washing. Wet clothes in the machine - put them in a basket in her room to sort. Dry clothes on the line, I'd be bundling them up and dumping on her bed or every time, insisting one of them comes and attends to it there & then.
  4. Move DD upstairs. It's clearly not working out anymore and say you want your 2nd living room back.
You'll have to stand firm on these and discuss/decide with your DH if you are indeed prepared to follow through the pay up or move out option. It's tough and I came very close to kicking my then 19 year old out but thankfully he stumped up in the end. He is far from perfect around the house and the lying in bed all day does drive me mad but at least knows to clear up after himself and pays a proper rent now he's seen what he'd have to pay in the real world.
Zanatdy · 08/01/2026 14:55

sorry but tough luck re not sleeping in past lunchtime. They need their own place if they want to call the shots. If one of my young adults told me they were now paying half the rent they’d be told to find their own place. I’d tell her the rent is £30 and that’s way too cheap, but it’s not being halved and if you want to save some of it for her do, but do not tell her or give her options. She is very entitled and walking all over you. I’d tell her bf stays 2 night max and move in with his parents if she’s not happy.

TinyCottageGirl · 08/01/2026 15:03

Wow - this is incredibly entitled indeed! I was paying £200 a month from 18, then upped to £400 from 20 and had absolutely no say in family being quiet in the day time! You need to tell her, her BF needs to do his washing at his own home and if she doesn't want to pay keep he isn't allowed to stay anymore. She can do her own food shopping also moving forward. It's going to be a real shock whe she learns about real bills and how much water, electric, food all costs! Maybe you could show her the bills - divide it by number of family and show what it actually does cost to keep her!

Epidote · 08/01/2026 15:12

She is taking the piss. 30 quid a week is a bargain. She can go to an upstairs bedroom if she doesn't want the normal noise or move out and pay the full rent.
Cleaning is also not negotiable.

hourspassed · 08/01/2026 15:32

Just wow.

I agree with all the pps on this. Her attitude moaning about noise in the house is unbelievable. £30 a week is very little - does the bf pay anything? The idea of upping the rent and saving half for her is a great idea - we did this with our DC. If she doesn't like it then I'd tell her the other option is moving out. I would also send the bf packing to his own house and agree to one night a week (if that!) They are both taking the piss (massively) and you and DH are way too soft.

Edit to say why on earth are you letting her sleep til lunchtime - unless she works till 4am this is ridiculous also.

Wsiw71 · 08/01/2026 15:37

Spoilt Brat syndrome: She should be paying one-third of her weekly/monthly wage, plus she does her own laundry (including towels and bedding) and cleans her own room plus another area. No one else, outside family or your guests, are allowed to sleep, do laundry, eat at yours ever. Also she moves into a bedroom upstairs and she is part of the family regarding noise and cleaning up.

So that you do not build resentment within your family these rules should apply to all your children as they become adults and have full time jobs. I suggest you begin now with the younger ones as they start secondary school.

outerspacepotato · 08/01/2026 15:38

First, BF can no longer stay overnight. He's an adult who is costing you money and your spoiled daughter doesn't want to pay her way. I think it's a very bad idea to have bfs staying the night with younger kids in the home. He does his laundry at his home.

Time for a sit down. She wanted the downstairs and she got her way. She knew what living in a family home is like. She's being a brat. This is your family home with the noise a larger family makes and she can suck it up or move out.

She pays higher rent or moves out.

The nearly free ride and her bratty attitude is O.V.E.R.

Mapleleaf114 · 08/01/2026 15:41

MumTeapot5 · 08/01/2026 12:24

New here.
As the title says, are we being unfair with eldest daughter, hear me out.
Family of 7, 2 adults, 3 children 4-14 and daughter 19 and her long term boyfriend of 5 years.
We moved into a new house mid 2025 as our old house was too small to fit our family in comfortably and we were looking actively anyway and our ideal house came on the market so we went ahead. My eldest daughter was given an upstairs bedroom of her own as each child was, but said she would rather have the downstairs bedroom (was previously a 2nd living room) for whatever reason that me and DH were going to have so all the kids were upstairs but we agreed and all went ahead and all seemed fine as she’s at an age were she could be trusted. That was my 1st mistake I guess, but I’ll come back to that.
My 2nd mistake was allowing her boyfriend to stay over a few nights a week now we had a bigger house and they have been together since they were 14 and in high school together on the agreement that she made sure any mess they made or any washing of his she was to do with her own and they tidy up after themselves.
So back to my first mistake, as I said she has the downstairs bedroom. This room has its own door off the hallway and one of the walls separate the dining room at the back of house. The first few weeks nothing was ever said but the past few weeks she keeps moaning that we are waking her up on a weekend. Now I’d understand if it was really early but she said we never get a lie in past lunch time ( I kid you not ) 🫠 her reasons to this are a list. So she or her boyfriend hears the youngest playing downstairs or singing along to songs that she likes, be that in the living room or dining room when I’m in the kitchen. She hears the noise in the kitchen from cooking/turning on the washer/drier/unloading dishwasher or whatnot. She hears people walking past her room in the hallway, she hears the dog bark etc. Now by no mean are we the quietest family ever but our other children are not elephants that stomp around or are overly loud. Myself and DH have spoken to her about how she can’t expect us all to whisper and tip toe around until gone lunchtime on a weekend especially if we are going out somewhere and getting sorted as we work full time and the dog is a dog and occasionally barks 🤷🏼‍♀️ we have offered to change rooms so she could be upstairs but she said that would be worse as our teen son likes to watch TV or play on his Xbox in his room occasionally and our other teen daughter is always chatting to her friends if we are having a chilled weekend. We tend to hear them from around 10ish but like I said they are not loud or causing a disturbance.
2nd mistake was allowing the boyfriend to stay over. As I said it was agreed that if they tidy up after themselves and do their own washing and she pays keep then we wouldn’t have an issue. I’d say in the last 5 weeks so before Xmas I have been getting up to dishes being left from them cooking if they didn’t want the same meals as us, wet washing in the machine if she’s used it at night, which I will hang up or pop in the tumble drier so I can do our washing, then she moans that her boyfriend says that he feels weird that me or DH are touching his socks/underwear etc. Bear in mind I have a teen son and a husband whose pants we wash and get out to dry regular. I’ve told her if he feels weird then they either wait for their washing to be done and hang it out or move to the drier once the cycle is done or he bags it up and he can do it on the days he is at his home as it’s not like I stand there looking at his pants and socks and judging them 🙈 I just take them out and pop them in the drier. They are being sloppy and not tidying up in general and I am starting to loose my patience.
We told her in December while it was Xmas not to stress to much about paying keep as we knew she was buying presents etc and going out with friends for meals/drinks so thought we was being nice. She’s now turned around last night and said £30 a week isn’t fair of us to ask from her (she works full time and does overtime occasionally) and we told her that £30 is fair as she’s eating the food we buy, using electricity/gas/broadband/household supplies etc. She’s stormed off into her room last night and said we are unfair and she won’t be paying us £30 anymore she will pay £15.
Just looking for some advice really to see if we are being awful parents setting certain rules and charging her keep? Also how would you tell your child if they don’t pay the £30 then they will have to buy their own food etc. Obviously we can’t stop her using the shower etc but she seems to have become very entitled lately since we moved. I’m seriously considering telling her that her boyfriend is no longer welcome to stay overnight anymore.
Sorry it’s been very long winded but thought it would be best to put the facts down as they are x

off topic but why does a 14 year old need a boyfriend- for what, sex? Why are parents encouraging children having sex?

BreadInCaptivity · 08/01/2026 15:43

Mapleleaf114 · 08/01/2026 15:41

off topic but why does a 14 year old need a boyfriend- for what, sex? Why are parents encouraging children having sex?

She’s 19 not 14. 14 is when she and her boyfriend started dating. You need to read the posts more carefully.

Mapleleaf114 · 08/01/2026 15:45

BreadInCaptivity · 08/01/2026 15:43

She’s 19 not 14. 14 is when she and her boyfriend started dating. You need to read the posts more carefully.

I know, question remains, why do british parents encourage their children having under age sex, where i come from it would make a case for social services because parents dont know or care whre their child is and what they are doing, noway 14 needs or is mature enough for a romantic relationship

BreadInCaptivity · 08/01/2026 15:47

@MumTeapot5would suggest before speaking to your DD you research some local housing options like flat shares/renting to show her and the costs.

You need to lay out the reality of the bargin £30 has been and the consequences of her (and BF) taking the piss has been that this will be raised (even if you plan to put some aside for her).

Point out those rates don’t include utility costs and food.

BreadInCaptivity · 08/01/2026 15:49

Mapleleaf114 · 08/01/2026 15:45

I know, question remains, why do british parents encourage their children having under age sex, where i come from it would make a case for social services because parents dont know or care whre their child is and what they are doing, noway 14 needs or is mature enough for a romantic relationship

You are assuming without any evidence they were having under age sex.

I had a boyfriend at 14. I didn’t have a sexual relationship until I was 18.

40YearOldDad · 08/01/2026 15:50

Charge our daughter £200 a month. Some months she costs me way more than £200 😂 I'm sure I paid this about 25 years ago.

She's currently doing an apprenticeship and earns about 22k per year.

QuinqueremeofNiveneh · 08/01/2026 15:55

You're a boiled frog, OP!

I hope all these messages have been a reset for you.

DirtyGertiefromno30 · 08/01/2026 15:56

You’re not being unfair @MumTeapot5. Letting her choose her room and have her boyfriend was fine, and asking her to contribute £30, tidy up, and accept normal family noise is reasonable. If she won’t pay, she can buy her own food, and if she can’t follow the rules, overnight visits can be paused. Boundaries are part of being treated like an adult.

IsabellaGoodthing · 08/01/2026 15:58

MumTeapot5 · 08/01/2026 13:08

I’m going to speak to DH when we are home tonight and suggest we up her rent and tell her if she doesn’t like it she can go to her boyfriends parents house and stay there or she moves out. We will put this to her while her boyfriend isn’t around and tell her that unless he starts paying some keep towards he will be staying at home and only welcome once a week as opposed to the 5 days he stays here including the weekend. I thought I was being unfair but I see that maybe we are being too soft x

Definitely too soft OP.
About the noise, you could agree to have quiet until 7am on a weekday morning and 9am at the weekend, but after that it's hard luck if they want to sleep in the day time.
About the washing, if he doesn't like his undies being sullied by the touch of people a generation older, he needs to take it home. Or deal with it promptly. Grrr, he sounds irritating.
Thirty quid a week all in is incredibly low cost and DD is very lucky.

crazeekat · 08/01/2026 16:01

Absolute brat. This is your house. Your rules. You need to set tight regulations. Ur other kids sound totally fine and yes she works so can move out if she’s not happy. And I’d be taking the big room back. Who tf does she think she is. The entitlement is so bad! £15! Absolutely brat. I’d put her board up to cover the boyfriend’s washing. Actual cheeky fks .

Firefly100 · 08/01/2026 16:03

SleepingStandingUp · 08/01/2026 12:46

genuine qn as a Mom who's eldest is only 10. I see "or tell her to leave" so often on these threads, and certainly "you love under my roof, my rules..." was used on us but how many parents actually pack their kids bags up and make them homeless? it feels like such a hollow threat. I'm not saying the fear factor doesn't work, but I always wonder what happens when the defiant DD/DS still doesn't comply

is op actually prepared to make her child sleep on the streets or end up NC when she moves in with boyfriend?

OP if he's uncomfortable with you fondling his underwear 🙄 could you chuck it in a basket in her room wet? do you have enough plates / cups etc to do similarly with their plates etc? anything left in the morning in a box dumped in her room? obviously you'd need to safeguard crockery etc for yourselves.

I'd also encourage the younger ones in their morning singing. have they considered taking up the violin??

I live with 2 of my adult children - there are issues but it works. Honestly, if they were being as unreasonable as OP's daughter and were unwilling to see reason or try to reach a compromise then yes, reluctantly I would ask them to leave and go as far as to make them leave potentially. I would not see it as me making them homeless though. I would see that as them making themselves homeless. The roof they have over their head has conditions attached to it of reasonable adult behaviour which they are not willing to meet. I can only be responsible for my own choices and actions, not other peoples. My only choice is how to respond to them. If I feel I have asked nothing unreasonable, then I see that this is THEIR choice to prefer homelessness over living with me if it comes to that.

LadyDanburysHat · 08/01/2026 16:03

Don't offer boyfriend to pay keep. Make it once a week, that's enough at that age anyway, or they can move out and live together. No more boyfriend laundry, and stop moaning about noise. It's a family home with noise, she can live with it or leave. She is sounding very spoilt.