To not want to go to USA?

[DalekStarmer]

DH and I used to go to the states every year on holiday. Different places each time - we loved it. This stopped during Covid when our holiday to Montana was cancelled. After Covid we planned to go back but ended up cancelling due to various things. Anyway, DH is keen to get back to our US trips and wanted to go last year. I said I didn’t fancy it due to Trump and the new hostile attitude towards foreigners. I said I’d consider it this year … now I’m even less in favour of it. It just doesn’t feel safe at all. DH is disappointed. AIBU?

Sadly, I think you're right. I feel sorry for the ordinary, decent Americans caught up in this, but until Trump's second term, I never imagined that the US would become a threat to Europe's long-term security.

We were planning a New York trip for this year but won't now, I don't want to support Trump's mad regime. I'd do Canada though.

I have to go over once a year but my employer arranges everything and flies me out business class. As I am disabled I have special assistance at the airport and a car and driver available for my visit. So no long queues for immigration. I take a different mobile and laptop which are only used for business so there are no personal calls or texts which might express risky opinions of the current government. I dont use the kind of social media which is likely to embarass me if strangers got hold of it.

I have got friends said to me they won’t come to the U.K. as worried about all the dangerous people that now live here. Being described as a time bomb. I tell you what I told them if you feel unsafe there is not point. Also, people need to be aware of cultural differences and local laws when travelling to other countries. The only countries I wouldn’t travel are in the Middle East.

Enjoy Sicily! Pretty sure the mafia is pretty much dismantled today. Isn’t it?

I'd feel perfectly safe as a tourist.
My DS went to New York for 5 days just before Christmas, and my sister spent Xmas in California - no problems at all.
Trump is an idiot but it wouldn't stop me visiting.

This is potentially outing me….but it’s Las Vegas 🤷🏻‍♀️
I promise you there’s an abundance of news articles from the local news about police stings where they’ve caught traffickers and rescued victims.
Most recent was in November during the F1 race week, over 100 arrests were made during that operation. Big events like that bring more tourists, tourists bring money for pimps…..buts it’s ok because it’s Las Vegas right? 🫠

I would rather eat snot than spend my money in the United States of Autocracy.

I don't give a flying fuck if people think this is performative. I will perform as loudly as possible, at every opportunity to protest the lunacy, that affects the whole world.

Erm.. because last I checked masked gunmen (aka ICE Agents) aren't shooting people in the face and forcibly separating families in Italy.

We have family in the states and they claim “it’s wild here” since Trump became President

I visited the US six months ago. I had no problems at all and felt very safe the whole time I was there. I was visiting east coast cities though, maybe it would be different in other parts. I booked it before Trump got re-elected, but even if I'd booked it afterwards, him being President wouldn't put me off.

Are you Caucasian? It's sad but it definitely modified the personal risks now in the US.
Yes, the last woman murdered by ICE was white, but statistically a white person not mixing with demonstrations isn't in much bigger risk then before.

That said, Canada is beautiful

FGS I’ve been in and out of the US several times the last few years. Been twice last year and going in again a couple of weeks for work. Its fine.

In addition to the myriad of other reasons I wouldn't want to go to the US, it seems quite possible that the new rules will require an extremely invasive amount of data, including biometrics (fingerprints, iris scans and DNA).

No thanks.

@WhatIsTheCharge- Thanks for sharing the Links. I've been at work but I'm going to take some time this evening to read them. Of course it's no ok. The only reports I've seen of this happening is as I said earlier is attention seeking " influencers' who's stories turn out to be utter bullshit which in light of the reports you've posted make those people even worse for making up these stories which cause scepticism when hearing actual real cases.

There are so many countries that I would rather give my money to than Trumps MAGA. I travel a lot and I am avoiding the USA for now. It’s hardly a selfless act as I have been going to lots of other lovely places.

There are more options than Italy or the USA.

I can’t wait to visit Las Vegas this year and have no worries at all. But then again I don’t need to be, I don’t froth at the mouth and spew bile over the internet about trump. And as safety goes, I’m from the uk and we are hardly a safe country so not sure why mn thinks we’re any better.

I am not going. And we really all want to go to NYC. But not until his time has passed.

It is up to you whether you want to travel to the U.S. for moral reasons but it is perfectly safe to do so, ICE aren’t not rounding up tourists in the street even if they aren’t white. What is happening is not excusable but hasn’t made the whole country unsafe to visit. And while I appreciate not wanting to give the Trump admin your money, if you are visiting a blue state the majority of the revenue ypu are generating is going to the state via hotel taxes, sales tax etc so may well be going to a state government that is actively against Trump. As a proud Californian I want to support my state more than, especially since Trump hates us so much anyway!

My DF lives there but we both understand that outside of any emergencies, I won’t be visiting until the current administration has ended. It’s crap but personally it doesn’t feel like a risk worth taking.

I'm not sure they'd let me in.

Palermo and Syracuse are both beautiful cities.

There are around 200 sovereign states in the world. Plenty to chose from even after discounting the dictatorships and active warzones.

Im going to visit family in the East coast at Easter. I don’t know anyone who supports Trump and happy to support local businesses while there. I’m not going to let my disdain for the government stop me from seeing family.

Be free to travel the world.

With no bounds at all?

Well a tour operator in Wigan did do a successful trip to Iraq so...

Has Meloni sucked Putin's dick like Trump is doing?

Has Italy invaded a sovereign country in the last week? Or at any point since 1945? Has Italy spent the last year threatening to make Austria its 21st region, and threatening to annex Corsica?

Are there documented human rights abuses in Italy at anything like the extent and scale of those in the US?

Is Meloni putting troops on the streets of cities who voted for her political opponents in order to intimidate the citizens?

Has an innocent Italian woman been murdered by an immigration officer in the last couple of days? Or ever?

Has Meloni threatened opposition politicians with death for saying that soldiers should not follow illegal orders?

Yeah, they just aren't equivalent.

Statistically the UK is much safer. That's just a fact. It can be verified.