ICE agent shoots woman in the face.

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It had to happen; in Minneapolis a woman in a car was shouting at the multiple ICE agents. One tried to open her car door, she started to drive away and was shot 2 (3? 4?) times in the head.

Trump is blaming her. Fucking hell.

EDIT BY MNHQ - Though the footage of this incident is in the public domain, we have removed the link originally included in this thread as we believe it could cause distress.

the 'right will always justify extreme violence, they always have.

She wasn't preventing drug busts. She was protesting legally. Do ICE agents have any right to prevent legal protest? Should she have been killed for that?

How the fuck can you defend this? An innocent woman, a mother with a six year old child, was murdered by a thug and you're defending the thug? She wasn't driving at him. There's pics that show the shots went through the side of the windscreen. If he's been in front of the car, they would have missed her.

This is not a right vs left debate but a facts vs deliberate misinformation debate. And the fact was that there was an officer stood in front of the vehicle that shot the drive, this can be seen from the video.

You state "there is no one standing in front of the vehicle " - if MN allows it then I can share on a separate post a photo still from the video that clearly shows an officer standing in front of the vehicle.

ICE agents have the power to arrest people who are impeding them.

If an armed officer is standing in front of your car you should turn the engine off, not accelerate into them.

Quite obviously it is not incumbent on any law enforcement official to get out of the way in this situation. This has nothing to do with justifying violence, it’s simply the law.

Eye witness

https://bsky.app/profile/cwebbonline.com/post/3mbuyt2sk422p

@Alexandra2001
Not sure if MN will allow this photo .

Photo clearly showing an officer stood in front of the vehicle drawing his gun as it moves towards him.

Note : front wheel is now aligned to drive straight at the officer.

If he had time to shoot her 3 times he had time to jump out of the way. He must be extremely poorly trained. Obviously shooting a driver of a car could potentially endanger innocent bystanders too.

Aren't US police and federal agents trained to de-escalate situations? Isn't it better to prioritise nobody’s life is lost so any potential crimes can be tried in a court of law? If she hadn’t been shot do you think the death penalty would have been justified?

But that cannot be true, if the wheels of her car were aligned to hit him, her car would have continued going that way after she was shot in the face, but it didn't. It moved away, continuing down the street, which proves the wheels were pointed away before she was shot dead, or are we now claiming a dead/dying woman can maintain control of a moving vehicle?

Funnily enough I've just watched the video and taken an identical screenshot to the one just posted above. But when you watch the movement of the video, the officer was positioned to the front left of the car, and the car is turning towards the right, trying to get past him. The driver is very obviously trying to get away from the ICE agents. The shooter has plenty of time to shoot at her and step out of the way. As the video continues, he puts away his gun and strolls after the car, which is now dangerously out of control.

@Frequency I don’t think you’ve seen the video which shows the full sequence of events from the front view.

Why didn't he step out of the way, then? If he has time to draw his gun, he has time to step away as the car was moving slowly.

Excellent point, thank you.

You can see why some of the Greenlanders are getting a bit apprehensive about their forthcoming change of administration.

A still photo is misleading. We can see from the video that he went and stood in front of the car, she didn't choose to drive at him. . According to the eye witness, he leant over and shot her through the windscreen, rather than moving out of her way.. Unsurprisingly, that didn't stop the car moving because her foot was still on the accelerator. The agent then moves out of the way and walks away without any difficulty.

They were shouting at her to move the car. She moved the car. How did that justify any of their actions?

Well, clearly it is, as familiar posters from both sides have opposing views, the 'right, generally speaking, support the shooting, the left do not.

I guess it shows the values we all have.

As i said, watch the Fox9 videos, at the time of shooting, there was no one in the path of the vehicle, at your photo, he had placed himself there, to one side, as i said earlier.

You know as well as i do, that had this happened in the UK, he would almost certainly face a murder charge.

If she had run over and killed the ICE agent, the people apologising and making excuses for her would almost certainly be celebrating his death in the streets. We’d be hearing jubilantly how he got ‘Kirked’ and deserved it.

Do you see Republicans and MAGA celebrating the death of this illegal criminal? No.

To be fair, a lot of them are coming across as pretty gleeful on this thread.

Nobody is gleeful. I’m not sorry she’s dead but I’m certainly not ‘gleeful’ FFS.

Yes i do, very gleeful, its what they voted for.

Plus, as she was a US citizen and has been convicted of nothing, how can she be an illegal and a criminal..

You appear to be pleased at her death.

Unsurprisingly, that didn't stop the car moving because her foot was still on the accelerator.

Great point. He had turned the car into a 'weapon' himself by killing the driver, ensuring she couldn't brake.

You need to learn the meaning of words and the difference between ‘not sorry’ and ‘pleased’.

You are correct- at the moment the photo was taken and the officer was taking out his weapon then the wheels are aligned to go straight forward.

Watching the video the driver then turns the wheels and accelerates to turn right and down the road - it is at this point she is shot.

So in summary at the moment the officer pulls his weapon the vehicle wheels are directed at him and at the moment he pulls the trigger the
wheels are directed to turn right.

But my main point is that @Alexandra2001stated that "there is no one standing in front of the vehicle " when clearly from the photo you posted and I separately- there is.

Why would she deliberately post such misinformation?

With wheels spinning and a revving engine, how was the officer in front of the vehicle to know she wasn’t about to drive at him? Without being able to see the wheels from where he was standing how would he know which side to jump to in order to avoid the car, given she was already accelerating.

Mumsnet is British site. There are too many right wing Americans on it at the moment.

In the past I've always thought it was good to listen to views from people from other countries.

Trump, is despicable, dangerous and increasingly blathering megalomaniac - disregarding the rights of other countries and charters drawn up after WW2.
He's often supported by people of lower than average intelligence or those out to make a fast buck.

MN - I genuinely have NO desire to hear or see the views of Trump supporters on this site. It's not X or insta - it's our British site for mums and I NEVER want to read justification of murder by police on here. That is a step to fascism.

@RingoJuice - I hope you can stay in the US and contribute to sites in Alabama or wherever you're from.