To dob in family member - benefits

[Dragonsfoot]

I have a relative that does have health problems. They went to tribunal and were awarded higher rate PIP and have a motorbility car apparently supported by a Rottweiler of an advocate. I have no gripe that they deserve something - occasional falls, mild mental health problems, physical health problems that require monitoring and support and mild difficulties dressing themselves due to joint problems but don’t actually need to be helped. They do have a disability.

However, they are able to walk miles most of the time, decorate their home, complete domestic tasks and attend social activities on a very regular basis on foot. Morally torn. They probably will struggle without the money. Would DWP even do anything kind of thing. Either way I feel a bad person.

Wtf is wrong with you??

I have a child who is diagnosed with learning disabilities and severe autism/adhd. He doesn’t get a car but he can’t get on a bus due to behaviour and is a 2 person needed case when outside as he can abscond/hurt himself or others in the community. We’ve evidenced this and given examples where he ran into the road and stopped traffic, he required a specialist buggy at 10 but refused a wheelchair making his life very very small. He also will climb out of car seats and needed specialist straps.
We were backed up from the Sen school, Paediatricians etc and other agencies involved.
We didn’t get the higher rate at all, which is fine we get by, but to get the higher rate really isn't easy and even though my DC can’t access public transport realistically without 2 adults incase he acts out and causes problems, he is on the lowest rate. These assessments are tough. If this family member has given them their evidence then let them be. Your duty to society is to behave respectfully to others and not try to diminish their quality of life because you think they don’t deserve nice things if they’re disabled.

Selectively arguing points that disabled people should not go to the pub is not what I said - keep trying to shut down reasonable comments though. It reflects well on you / your cause.

Then why mention "guy down the pub" at all? You brought it up, not me.

PIP not being an out of work benefit isn't a matter for debate. It's a fact.

Yep, but you wont stop arseholes on here arguing that people on PIP should not be in pubs, going to hairdressers, going on holiday, dancing at weddings, having any sort of life at all.
They need to stay home and live off gruel, to prove they are disabled enough.. not to the DWP, but to their "friends", relatives and neighbours.

For a start it’s motability not motorbility . I’m in receipt of the same. I work full time, I leave the house looking perfectly normal within my face if yiu ignore the obvious limp and walking stick. But inwardly I’m in pain 24/7 to varying degrees. I barely sleep hence posting this at 2.30 am but to my work colleagues who see me on teams and the very rare few days a year I make it into the office, they would have no idea. Most just think I have a limp, if only that was all. You have no idea what they are masking just to be able to function. It could be over egged and therefore not totally the correct award or it could be totally deserved, you are not the person to judge them.

Trust me you don't know the ins and outs of another person's disability. My friends and family would say I'm fine but thats because I put on a show for them they don't see the before and after nobody does.

damn spell check altered motorbility

Frequent falling is a major mobility problem, you absolute dolt!

Most physical injuries are proven by xray and MRI scans these days anyway, so very hard to fake I would think.

The people assessing are incompetent and have targets to meet getting people onto the system.

The rules should be much more stringent and the scope of motability cars limited.
But….you will never win OP because around one in five (20%) new cars sold in the UK are through the Motability Scheme, making it a huge buyer. You know what they say “follow the money” and there’s a likelihood dealerships will fold if the scheme was cut back.

Labour are creating a dependency state to ensure their voter base. How thoroughly depressing. Nobody should be on PIP without regular reviews.
It’s scandalous we are relegating people to benefits forever, allowing some not to ever have to look for work.

Wow you really are sanctimonious! How dare you think you know better than the person who has the disability.

You & your family gossip about your relative and that is ok?? Who made you all judge & jury?

I wish your relative finds out what you were planning to do and she removes you all from her life. You are just spiteful thinking you know better. People like you make me sick, how dare you think you can target a disabled person and turn their life upside.

I don’t know how you sleep at night!

PIP is not an out of work benefit. How many more times?

@askmenow Nobody should be on PIP without regular reviews.

I am on PIP without regular reviews. I have MS, have lost the use of my legs and am wheelchair dependent. Do you think I am suddenly going to get better? Do you really want to see taxpayers money wasted reviewing people whose condition cannot improve, or is it just that the thought of pointlessly inconveniencing people for having the temerity to be disabled that pleases you? Incidentally I work full-time. My motability vehicle enables me to do this. By the way, the number of people receiving PIP has not suddenly massively increased since the General Election. I'm guessing you have conveniently forgotten the fourteen years of disastrous Tory rule?

I would never usually say this to someone, but you feel a bad person because you are a bad person. What makes you think you’re in a position to judge these things. I truly feel sorry for people like you. Hope that you will be better one day.

pip is so hard to get, to be rewarded through courts too. So stay out of it

Indeed. Anyone would think @bert3400 was talking complete bollocks

Of course you do love. Presumably this is going to be the first in a long succession of posts where your personal disabilities become more and more severe.

So now we've moved on from "relative is disabled but I feel not sufficiently for their award to be proportionate" to outright claims of fraud. That you and your equally delightful sounding relatives get together to bitch about.

I can't imagine being related to such bitter and malicious gossips. What a nightmare.

If you can move, aided or unaided, more than 200m and can plan a journey, you get no points at all for mobility.

To reach the 12 points required their description is completely accurate. They are getting higher rate mobility, to then get motorbility.

I have a cousin who received benefits she wasn’t completely entitled to.

In my country if you are a single mother and live with a boyfriend then he is expected to financially provide for you and the child that is not his. Except in his case he couldn’t afford to take care of them.

She was on benefits living in an awful area in a house that was overrun with fleas from the last tenant.

I didn’t report her. She had nothing and absolutely needed the money.

She works now, gives back to the community and is studying for a qualification. The money was only temporary to care for her baby. Once her boyfriend got a better paying job then he started providing for my cousin.

I think you should report your relative. This is a lifestyle choice and they are living their best life and defrauding the system.

All the 'theys' and 'thems' is confusing, you were initially talking about just one relative who is claiming. Make up your mind.

What I don't understand is why you (and other family members), are so invested in this How does it affect you?

I do 'get' that people feel uneasy about those who work the system and receive benefits they don't need, it's fodder for documentaries and the likes of the Daily HateMail, but this is somebody to whom you are close; so close thta you know the ins and outs of their finances!

You know she or he has health problems. Why can you not be glad? It must be a great relief to know that your bills will be paid and you can have a reasonable quality of life, despite your health. This person's health would be a heck of a lot worse without these benefits. Please do not resent this person and don't encourage your wider family to pry and tut over the situation, it's unfair and unkind.

It would be best if you refused to discuss it at all - and it would certainly have been better had this unfortunate person not trusted you with personal information.

Quite simply, not your business, butt out, end of.

Any benefit claimants on here be warned by this thread, trust nobody, including family.

Gosh, I can't imagine looking at someone else and judging them when medical professionals and the assessors for PIP have agreed they deserve the benefits they get.
Unless they're claiming they can't walk at all then they're jumping up to run marathons every weekend, I have no idea how you can determine they're lying.
My wonderful friend gets PIP, she's a hiker and she's fitter than me. She's also severely suicidal and only about 5 people close to her know about that. She often struggles to even brush her teeth on bad days, she's gone days without eating because she's so low, but if you ever knock on her door she'll have the brightest smile and convince you she's thriving.
I think it's best to let people be. Unless you are them, you will never have the full story. It's not just about them looking like they live a "normal" life, it's about what goes on that they don't let people see.

The only histrionics here are from you. Obviously, no-one would know if random people in the pub or the playground either had a disability or were on PIP for it, would they? You've got yourself all wound up and now you're being a bit silly, aren't you.