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Thread 22 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 05/01/2026 19:13

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

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Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Links to threads 18-20 can be found in the OP of Thread 21: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5460943-thread-21-to-feel-disappointed-and-now-disgusted-too-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders and ploppers who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. Over 6 months we have done amazingly well together for 21 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

After 21,000 posts there are still new things to look out for on the path ahead:

  • Observer Newsroom: The Real Salt Path Story, Thursday 8th January 2026 6.30-7.30pm. More information and to book via this link observer.co.uk/our-events/the-real-salt-path-story
  • Podcast series from The Observer's award-winning Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou, 13th January 2026
  • BBC Podcast (NB Not involving Our Chloe)

Keep to the path, no saltiness, eat fudge and drink cider.

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HatStickBoots · 14/01/2026 09:57

You’re absolutely spot on @PsaltyNotASongBook 👏🏻

Why indeed? I at first thought it was a rage brought on by feeling inadequate and having his pride dented but your ideas are much more likely.

Uricon2 · 14/01/2026 09:57

the story just changed depending on what situation she needed to talk herself out of.

That @Vroomfondleswaistcoat sums up so many aspects of this.

Spoiler for episode 7

I am more irritated than I can describe that in HNTDDD (and well done all involved in tracking it down) she writes the blameless and ill used (by her) Martin Hemmings as the 'dodgy' George Penfold, who it appears somehow deserves to be robbed by the perfect victim 'Elias' . A psychologist would have a field day with this pair.

I also think that a job at the Ministry of Silly Names would be her perfect niche, Elias (for a woman) and Baxter indeed.

Peladon · 14/01/2026 10:11

@Uricon2 "I also think that a job at the Ministry of Silly Names would be her perfect niche"

I think she's too heavily involved with the Ministry of Silly Walks.

Uricon2 · 14/01/2026 10:11

Was he furious because the young couple would be on his patch and might start to notice that things were a little ‘off’? He would have to be on his guard on home turf.

@HatStickBoots I totally agree that the last thing they would have wanted are 'outsiders' in close proximity, outsiders who might indeed have spotted that all was not as being presented to BIll C. They seem adept at keeping people at arms length (Ruth, for instance) largely successfully but different when they are living cheek by jowl with them.

OnlyAfterwards · 14/01/2026 10:15

Uricon2 · 14/01/2026 09:57

the story just changed depending on what situation she needed to talk herself out of.

That @Vroomfondleswaistcoat sums up so many aspects of this.

Spoiler for episode 7

I am more irritated than I can describe that in HNTDDD (and well done all involved in tracking it down) she writes the blameless and ill used (by her) Martin Hemmings as the 'dodgy' George Penfold, who it appears somehow deserves to be robbed by the perfect victim 'Elias' . A psychologist would have a field day with this pair.

I also think that a job at the Ministry of Silly Names would be her perfect niche, Elias (for a woman) and Baxter indeed.

Yes, it's an odd, revealing tic in her writing, isn't it? Whether 'fiction' or 'non-fiction' (to preserve a distinction that we now know to be completely spurious), in what we know of HNTDDD and in TSP and TWS -- for all the sweet, unworldly persona that sits wide-eyed on chatshow sofas, and does some 'endearingly' (?) terrible shuffle-dancing and whispery vocal stylings at Gigspanner gigs, she appears to be completely unable to prevent herself othering and putting people (including benefactors) down all the time, often completely needlessly in her work. Her mother, 'Polly'/Anne, 'Grant'/Warren Evans, Bill Cole, Martin Hemmings, 'Cooper' etc etc.

Do we assume it's completely or largely unconscious? A side effect of her grifting and thieving, whereby she has to put up a psychological defence mechanism which prevents her from having to recognise the full extent of her own wrongdoing? Because they were awful/dour and disapproving/soft-handed Londoners? It's just interesting to me that she even does it in situations where it's completely unnecessary, as with the Parsons, who were just friendly fellow-walkers they met in a cafe.

BeaveringBrandy · 14/01/2026 10:29

OnlyAfterwards · 14/01/2026 10:15

Yes, it's an odd, revealing tic in her writing, isn't it? Whether 'fiction' or 'non-fiction' (to preserve a distinction that we now know to be completely spurious), in what we know of HNTDDD and in TSP and TWS -- for all the sweet, unworldly persona that sits wide-eyed on chatshow sofas, and does some 'endearingly' (?) terrible shuffle-dancing and whispery vocal stylings at Gigspanner gigs, she appears to be completely unable to prevent herself othering and putting people (including benefactors) down all the time, often completely needlessly in her work. Her mother, 'Polly'/Anne, 'Grant'/Warren Evans, Bill Cole, Martin Hemmings, 'Cooper' etc etc.

Do we assume it's completely or largely unconscious? A side effect of her grifting and thieving, whereby she has to put up a psychological defence mechanism which prevents her from having to recognise the full extent of her own wrongdoing? Because they were awful/dour and disapproving/soft-handed Londoners? It's just interesting to me that she even does it in situations where it's completely unnecessary, as with the Parsons, who were just friendly fellow-walkers they met in a cafe.

I made a note of one of our posters who I thought summed this up brilliantly. This is from @MargaretThursday - probably a few months ago:

I think this is something we see in Salray. It's not enough that they have to be seen as doing something well, they have to be seen as the best and all the others aren't really doing it right, and anyone who says otherwise is to be silenced.
**

OnlyAfterwards · 14/01/2026 10:31

Uricon2 · 14/01/2026 10:11

Was he furious because the young couple would be on his patch and might start to notice that things were a little ‘off’? He would have to be on his guard on home turf.

@HatStickBoots I totally agree that the last thing they would have wanted are 'outsiders' in close proximity, outsiders who might indeed have spotted that all was not as being presented to BIll C. They seem adept at keeping people at arms length (Ruth, for instance) largely successfully but different when they are living cheek by jowl with them.

Well, agreed -- but why balls it up so unnecessarily? Surely it would have been easier to simply agree to BC's suggestion that someone else make the cider (keeping TW out of the way of the cidermakers if necessary, so they don't see him skipping about gaily and looking in fine fettle) and keep BC onside, and to give him proper notice they were leaving, and pay the utility bills? Which, at this point, they could well afford, with money rolling in from the books and SW's other paying gigs?

I think that's part of what fascinates me, that on the one hand, they're clearly very clever at all this, SW continually manoeuvring herself into positions where she has unfettered access to other people's money, both at work and in familial situations, and spinning a tissue of lies so appealing that lots of readers buy into it, TW greasing the wheels with his capacity for playing the stoical-but-devoted ill or dying spouse.

But on the other, they've pissed off so many people so needlessly by doing completely mad stuff!

If you've repeatedly failed to make cider for a full five years despite this being the one thing you're required to do, other than a bit of light rewilding, by your tenancy contract, to the point where even your benevolent fanboy landlord is getting impatient, why on earth appear on a high-profile national TV programme pretending to be expert heritage cider makers demonstrating the technique??? And why not pay your utility bills?

And why, if you try to put off said landlord from intervening further by telling him you have only a couple of months to live, does your famous wife then publish a high-profile book claiming a miracle cure and miraculously altered DAT scans were happening at exactly the same time as the conversation where you told said landlord you'd been told not to make plans for after Christmas??

It just seems needlessly stupid.

Innermagnolia · 14/01/2026 10:36

Bravo to all on the charabanc and the legend that is Chloe!
I have mostly just had to content myself with reading along with all your thoughts, discussions and sleuthing as my poor old phone struggles with Mumsnet. I nod frequently in agreement with you, applaud the breakthroughs and shake my head at the behaviour of charlatans. All whilst stirring my pot of boiling fudge, in hopeful anticipation of the charabanc detouring inland to my part of the Westcountry. Homemade Sloe Gin (lightly salted sloes actually picked on the SWCP) and fresh scones available freely. The hefty stirring and beating that fudge requires is rather cathartic when thinking about our buccaneering, embezzling, ne’er do wells and their ill gotten gains.

It’s great to read of the podcasts and I shall register to listen to those. As I have previously said, I have personal experience of these kind of people, however, they will never be exposed as it is surprising what families will cover up and how hard it really is to see people for who they are and accept that you aren’t a mean and cynical person when you can. It can be a situation where the messenger really does get shot and withdraws severely wounded.

As a retired HCP I often reflect on the whole medical picture of TW. In assessing patients, we are there to see if we can help, or facilitate access to those who can. Obviously, the overwhelming majority of people will be truthful and genuinely concerned about what is going on for them. I couldn’t imagine not believing a patient, or acting as if I didn’t trust what they were telling me. I have a lot of sympathy with the medical people who met TW and SW. I think they could have been that very rare instance of people specifically looking for medical confirmation in order to validate a non working lifestyle and access PIP. I feel terrible saying this but so many of TW’s problems, as described by SW, fit almost too neatly with the criteria for a higher level of payment. He apparently cannot get out of bed without assistance, needs help dressing, batch cooked meals, gets lost when out on his own, forgets his medication, struggles with walking (unless long distance!), speech (except when schmoozing an actor or flirting with/charming ladies) and memory. I generally had to ask a lot of questions to establish full details, as people normally don’t want to over exaggerate their symptoms and there is a natural tendency to play things down. Faced with this particular double act, going about their planned duplicity, I am not surprised that the consultant tried to come up with something helpful to them by suggesting a possible diagnosis. It is probably what they were specifically after. He possibly also thought he had to be helpful when asked to review the book of “their story”. I find it hard to imagine that he volunteered himself for it.

Also, I wonder how TW ever got the role of a head gardener, apart from modelling himself on Monty Don? It niggles me that SW says that his degree consolidates his lifetime of knowledge and experience, or some such thing. Didn’t learn anything new then? Despite being at the Eden Project? lol!
I have never doubted that they were in it together. A codependent relationship as PPs have said. TW basks in SW’s adulation and servitude. Her mother was an astute woman and saw through him from the start. I sympathise with her too, having seen a parade of DD’s boyfriends pass through. I remember thinking, somewhat doubtfully, that one adored her. Then I realised that he was just reflecting her adoring looks at him and he unfortunately turned out to be the kind of person that I thought he was in the first place. He played with her feelings. The relationship of TW and SW brought it back into my mind. Enough of my rambling. I must see if I can actually post this!

HatStickBoots · 14/01/2026 11:09

OnlyAfterwards · 14/01/2026 10:31

Well, agreed -- but why balls it up so unnecessarily? Surely it would have been easier to simply agree to BC's suggestion that someone else make the cider (keeping TW out of the way of the cidermakers if necessary, so they don't see him skipping about gaily and looking in fine fettle) and keep BC onside, and to give him proper notice they were leaving, and pay the utility bills? Which, at this point, they could well afford, with money rolling in from the books and SW's other paying gigs?

I think that's part of what fascinates me, that on the one hand, they're clearly very clever at all this, SW continually manoeuvring herself into positions where she has unfettered access to other people's money, both at work and in familial situations, and spinning a tissue of lies so appealing that lots of readers buy into it, TW greasing the wheels with his capacity for playing the stoical-but-devoted ill or dying spouse.

But on the other, they've pissed off so many people so needlessly by doing completely mad stuff!

If you've repeatedly failed to make cider for a full five years despite this being the one thing you're required to do, other than a bit of light rewilding, by your tenancy contract, to the point where even your benevolent fanboy landlord is getting impatient, why on earth appear on a high-profile national TV programme pretending to be expert heritage cider makers demonstrating the technique??? And why not pay your utility bills?

And why, if you try to put off said landlord from intervening further by telling him you have only a couple of months to live, does your famous wife then publish a high-profile book claiming a miracle cure and miraculously altered DAT scans were happening at exactly the same time as the conversation where you told said landlord you'd been told not to make plans for after Christmas??

It just seems needlessly stupid.

I know!! 🤪🤯 mind blowing! But it’s typical of these people. You can’t expect sane, rational responses or intelligent decisions from these. I’m still leaning towards them being sociopaths.

HatStickBoots · 14/01/2026 11:13

@Innermagnolia I’m so pleased you were able to post that despite the tech difficulties experienced. The ads just killed my battery. I’ve switched to a different browser to cope with it.

BeaveringBrandy · 14/01/2026 11:15

Uricon2 · 14/01/2026 09:57

the story just changed depending on what situation she needed to talk herself out of.

That @Vroomfondleswaistcoat sums up so many aspects of this.

Spoiler for episode 7

I am more irritated than I can describe that in HNTDDD (and well done all involved in tracking it down) she writes the blameless and ill used (by her) Martin Hemmings as the 'dodgy' George Penfold, who it appears somehow deserves to be robbed by the perfect victim 'Elias' . A psychologist would have a field day with this pair.

I also think that a job at the Ministry of Silly Names would be her perfect niche, Elias (for a woman) and Baxter indeed.

Ep. 7

It was strange to hear from the 2 booksellers in Pwllheli - we have speculated about this and someone even found out there was a Steve. Strangely, it was Steve who was mentioned on the Shareholders website and someone then found out there was a Steve bookseller in the town - only they didn't take the books there even though he knew Tim quite well. No, they took HNTDDD to the Welsh-language bookshop, even though it wasn't except for the words DDD, and they didn't sell any so they were all taken back.

It was the ultimate insult to injury to cast her employer as a baddie, albeit in a supposed work of fiction, and to tout those books for sale in the town. Thank goodness Ros Hemmings, her family, and other employees, didn't know about that - as far as I know.

ETA I guessed that Ellias is a scrambling of Sallie and Baxter is probably yet another family surname?

Uricon2 · 14/01/2026 11:44

Well, agreed -- but why balls it up so unnecessarily? Surely it would have been easier to simply agree to BC's suggestion that someone else make the cider (keeping TW out of the way of the cidermakers if necessary, so they don't see him skipping about gaily and looking in fine fettle) and keep BC onside, and to give him proper notice they were leaving, and pay the utility bills? Which, at this point, they could well afford, with money rolling in from the books and SW's other paying gigs?

That's what normal people would do @OnlyAfterwards but they aren't normal people. Embezzlement, stealing 10s of thousands of pounds from both sets of parents, a love of flaunting the 'finer things' in life, even though they clearly couldn't afford them by honest means.

At what point the bitterness, misanthropy and disrespect for other people's money and rights overlapped with the need to be seen as innocent victims I don't know but it's as if this type of behaviour is so entrenched that they seem to revel in it, almost like a game. Maxine had to write to them at a Cornish address re the speeding tickets and parking fines Timoth was still acculmulating and to her address years after he left and after they had more than adequate money to pay them.

There's a quote from The Great Gatsby that makes me think of them

“They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

Raymoth may not always have had money but the "vast carelessness" is certainly there.

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 14/01/2026 11:46

OnlyAfterwards · 14/01/2026 10:31

Well, agreed -- but why balls it up so unnecessarily? Surely it would have been easier to simply agree to BC's suggestion that someone else make the cider (keeping TW out of the way of the cidermakers if necessary, so they don't see him skipping about gaily and looking in fine fettle) and keep BC onside, and to give him proper notice they were leaving, and pay the utility bills? Which, at this point, they could well afford, with money rolling in from the books and SW's other paying gigs?

I think that's part of what fascinates me, that on the one hand, they're clearly very clever at all this, SW continually manoeuvring herself into positions where she has unfettered access to other people's money, both at work and in familial situations, and spinning a tissue of lies so appealing that lots of readers buy into it, TW greasing the wheels with his capacity for playing the stoical-but-devoted ill or dying spouse.

But on the other, they've pissed off so many people so needlessly by doing completely mad stuff!

If you've repeatedly failed to make cider for a full five years despite this being the one thing you're required to do, other than a bit of light rewilding, by your tenancy contract, to the point where even your benevolent fanboy landlord is getting impatient, why on earth appear on a high-profile national TV programme pretending to be expert heritage cider makers demonstrating the technique??? And why not pay your utility bills?

And why, if you try to put off said landlord from intervening further by telling him you have only a couple of months to live, does your famous wife then publish a high-profile book claiming a miracle cure and miraculously altered DAT scans were happening at exactly the same time as the conversation where you told said landlord you'd been told not to make plans for after Christmas??

It just seems needlessly stupid.

There was also the theft of the cash needed to pay wages. She would have known they were due and yet, after successfully robbing the Hemmings for years, made such an obvious error.

It's like they also have a self-sabotaging gene as well as a grifting one.

Innermagnolia · 14/01/2026 12:02

Regarding TW’s anger at BC.
I think one aspect is that being unobserved is an important element of being able to exploit others. I remember turning up early one day at the home of the people we were trying to protect. It meant that the abuser/exploiter was there and so was another (good) person that they were trying to keep from talking to us. The intensity of the rage and fury that was on their face is something I will never forget. The real person indeed! They later tried to excuse their reaction by saying that they were upset about something else. Yeah right! Interestingly, the good person sought us out privately to share their own concerns. Including being asked to witness signatures on documents. When they questioned this they were angrily told not to and to just sign! If you want to control people or a situation, then keeping everyone else from seeing what you really are/are not doing is crucial. So, I think that TW was enraged that their cosy existence as beneficiaries of kindness was being threatened. He also would not believe that anyone had the right to question him or expect anything of him. This is an entitlement that we can see he shares with SW.

Innermagnolia · 14/01/2026 12:04

HatStickBoots · 14/01/2026 11:13

@Innermagnolia I’m so pleased you were able to post that despite the tech difficulties experienced. The ads just killed my battery. I’ve switched to a different browser to cope with it.

Thank you, I’ll look into that. I often can’t even load a page!

OnlyAfterwards · 14/01/2026 12:52

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 14/01/2026 11:46

There was also the theft of the cash needed to pay wages. She would have known they were due and yet, after successfully robbing the Hemmings for years, made such an obvious error.

It's like they also have a self-sabotaging gene as well as a grifting one.

Agreed. See also writing a confession letter to your sister in order to give reasons why she shouldn’t go to the police after you stole your mother’s life savings and telling her to delete it after she’s read it, without appearing to realise you’re also furnishing her with credible, lasting evidence for not just that criminal act, but two others.

I found the text of that confession almost one of the most interesting bits of the podcast, esp SW’s (true or untrue) description of what she did when she, as she says, ‘skipped bail’, with only £40 in her pocket, unable to take ‘plastic or mobile’ or she would be traced, leaving a note for TW, and ‘crisscrossing the country’ evading police and CCTV, sleeping rough for four nights and eating only ‘two sandwiches and a sausage’ in the whole time. Before ending up in London where, as in HNTDDR, she doesn’t ask ‘Cooper’ for a loan, she blackmails him into repaying the money he owes her and TW, because she ‘knows too much about his dealings’ so he ‘had no choice’… Why repaying money owed to the Walkers would have resulted in a charge against their home, who knows?

CH does point out that whatever is claimed in TSP, HNTDDR and the confession letter, she’s seen lawyers’ letters and court documents in which the Walkers acknowledge the debt, and points out that the quibble about whether the money was owed to ‘Cooper’ himself or his defunct company was just a delaying tactic, as it needed to be paid nonetheless.

SW’s magic bit of paper, presented as a cruelly disallowed legal gotcha in TSP, was never really the issue.

HatStickBoots · 14/01/2026 13:05

Innermagnolia · 14/01/2026 12:04

Thank you, I’ll look into that. I often can’t even load a page!

If your phone will support it, try DuckDuckGo. Good luck!

PrettyDamnCosmic · 14/01/2026 13:05

AgitatedGoose · 14/01/2026 11:52

The Walker’s former home for sale on Rightmove.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/170922734#/?channel=RES_BUY

To complete the story arc shouldn't SalRay now buy it outright with her ill gotten gains? If she turns OWH into a mea culpa she could still be completely rehabilitated.😀

ThisQuirkyRaven · 14/01/2026 13:21

Has CH indicated that the podcast was the last of her work on the Walkers, or are there still things to be investigated? I feel a Mumsnet spin off in the works......

HatStickBoots · 14/01/2026 13:38

Mulling over all these excellent posts has made me think once again about the next steps they were planning to take, i.e the Wellness retreat business plan. Leading on from what @Innermagnolia says:

If you want to control people or a situation, then keeping everyone else from seeing what you really are/are not doing is crucial. So, I think that TW was enraged that their cosy existence as beneficiaries of kindness was being threatened. He also would not believe that anyone had the right to question him or expect anything of him. This is an entitlement that we can see he shares with SW.

This business idea would have brought people into their inner sanctum, or at least give the impression that it was. I can imagine that as long as Tim and Sally are able to control the narrative, they feel safe. I still think Tim needs adoration from more than just Sally, not sexual gratification necessarily but just a stream of admiration from people. She has portrayed him thus so he obviously agreed that was how he wanted to be seen and others who knew him have spoken about how nice he is, so it was never a strain or out of character to have that charm available. In a similar way to the interviews, he could always duck away or stay out of sight with plenty of reasons because I am sure that a vast number of their clients would be people who loved them and wished them well and wanted to convey their feelings of compassion towards Moth. Oh crikey….sorry to divert, but my mind has just re-imagined the “He’s not the Messiah! He’s a very naughty boy!” Scene from the Life of Brian….
Anyway.. lost my trail of thought now….

Priorlake · 14/01/2026 13:41

@OnlyAfterwards the phrase "two sandwiches and a sausage" made me laugh out loud. It was meant to sound pitiful and elicit sympathy but in itself it conjures such a ridiculous image, and the alliteration! I just pictured two petrol station triangular sandwiches and a sausage lying in a row. In my mind it's a Beano-style banger she's swiped off someone's barbecue.
Maybe that was going to be her third book after HNTDDD and 'Three Ceilidhs and a funeral" (or whatever it was): Two Sandwiches and a Sausage.
Then, alternative title for The Salt Path: Two pints of cider and a packet of noodles.

BeaveringBrandy · 14/01/2026 13:44

Priorlake · 14/01/2026 13:41

@OnlyAfterwards the phrase "two sandwiches and a sausage" made me laugh out loud. It was meant to sound pitiful and elicit sympathy but in itself it conjures such a ridiculous image, and the alliteration! I just pictured two petrol station triangular sandwiches and a sausage lying in a row. In my mind it's a Beano-style banger she's swiped off someone's barbecue.
Maybe that was going to be her third book after HNTDDD and 'Three Ceilidhs and a funeral" (or whatever it was): Two Sandwiches and a Sausage.
Then, alternative title for The Salt Path: Two pints of cider and a packet of noodles.

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One pint of cider each ...

BeaveringBrandy · 14/01/2026 13:47

That should be One pint of cider each and a packet of noodles .. well I was just going to bed and I saw @Freshsocks said "Listening" so I took that as Ep. 7 was live and then, of course, I listened ...

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