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Thread 22 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 05/01/2026 19:13

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

First thread: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet

Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Links to threads 18-20 can be found in the OP of Thread 21: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5460943-thread-21-to-feel-disappointed-and-now-disgusted-too-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders and ploppers who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. Over 6 months we have done amazingly well together for 21 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

After 21,000 posts there are still new things to look out for on the path ahead:

  • Observer Newsroom: The Real Salt Path Story, Thursday 8th January 2026 6.30-7.30pm. More information and to book via this link observer.co.uk/our-events/the-real-salt-path-story
  • Podcast series from The Observer's award-winning Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou, 13th January 2026
  • BBC Podcast (NB Not involving Our Chloe)

Keep to the path, no saltiness, eat fudge and drink cider.

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AlwaysRightISwear · 13/01/2026 22:38

What is episode 7 about?

BeaveringBrandy · 13/01/2026 22:49

AlwaysRightISwear · 13/01/2026 22:38

What is episode 7 about?

Chloe also goes on the hunt for Raynor Winn’s fourth book…her true debut written years before The Salt Path.

HNTDDD

Anythingbutheadlands · 13/01/2026 22:59

Episode 7 is there now but it’s too late for me to listen to it!

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 14/01/2026 00:03

Episode 7

I wondered how they would show that TSP and HNTDDD were written by the same person - they definitely do!

ItsNotYourUsername · 14/01/2026 00:05

Just listened to the episode 7.
Spoiler alert!

“The novel tells the story of an itinerant couple, Elias and Baxter, who, with their two kids, moved to a small holding in Wales. I mean, it's obviously that house. The description of it fits perfectly.
The other thing that I thought, you probably noticed this, but is a total giveaway, I think, in terms of whether or not the two main characters in the book are Raynor Winn and Moth or Sally and Tim Walker. There's this bit where she describes the first time the female protagonist meets her partner, her husband. I'm just going to read it to you.
This is page 13. It's right at the beginning. She was 17 when she watched Baxter across a crowded cafe as he dipped a Mars bar in a cup of tea.
Hang on. Page 56 of The Salt Path.
The first time I saw Moth across the sixth form college canteen, I was 18. He was wearing a white collarless shirt as he dipped a Mars bar in a cup of tea. I was mesmerised.
I mean, that's kind of conclusive that that's the same people.
Raynor Winn has this handful of stories she tells again and again, using[…]”

From The Walkers: The real Salt Path | Tortoise Investigates: The Missing Book | The Walkers Ep7, 12 Jan 2026
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-walkers-the-real-salt-path-tortoise-investigates/id1590561275?i=1000744817012&r=1436
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ItsNotYourUsername · 14/01/2026 00:09

Episode 7 HNTDDD spoiler

“In the novel, the couple have invested in their friend's company, not Cooper. Instead, in this book, he's called Jeremy Smythe. But it feels like he's based on the same person.
Smythe takes up around half the novel, posing as a businessman. He cons people out of money, including Baxter and Elias. Baxter's emotionally devastated by the theft.
He can't cope with the fact that all their money is gone, and that it's his fault for investing it as he did with his friend. Meanwhile, his wife Elias has found work with a local estate agent, property surveyor. Not Martin Hemmings.
In the novel, he's called George Penfold, and he's a bit of a con man. So Elias hatches a plan.
I found it really hard to read the chapter where she describes stealing money from her employer.
Yeah, it just seems suddenly she's doing paperwork and then goes to London, and you're not really sure what is going on.
And then you realise what's happened when you get to, I'm going to find this, hang on. There's a chapter in between and then it says, you know, it talks about the police breaking into the house. It's the police[…]”

From The Walkers: The real Salt Path | Tortoise Investigates: The Missing Book | The Walkers Ep7, 12 Jan 2026
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-walkers-the-real-salt-path-tortoise-investigates/id1590561275?i=1000744817012&r=1545
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ItsNotYourUsername · 14/01/2026 00:10

Episode 7 HNTDDD spoiler

“This idea runs throughout the book. The main female character, Elias, is cleverer than anyone else and her only motivation, the thing that drives her, is making things right for her husband Baxter, who is essentially falling apart because he can't cope with the mess they've made of their finances. Elias is somehow able to prove that their friend Jeremy Smythe has been conning lots of people out of money.
She runs from the police down to London and blackmails Smythe into lending her the money to pay back her employer in Wales. And even though he's being forced to give her the money, Smythe insists that the loan is made against her home, which he then re-possesses. Sound familiar?”

From The Walkers: The real Salt Path | Tortoise Investigates: The Missing Book | The Walkers Ep7, 12 Jan 2026
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-walkers-the-real-salt-path-tortoise-investigates/id1590561275?i=1000744817012&r=1686
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Choux · 14/01/2026 03:07

Maxine has put the farmhouse in Wales on the market.

Sorry it’s a DM link but anyone can like comments on the article and the top rated comment is currently one about how, if Sally hadn’t stolen from her employer, she would never have lost the house in the first place. I added a like to that one.
https://mol.im/a/15459931

Aussiebornandbred · 14/01/2026 05:39

So much is coming out now that all the episodes of the podcast have.been released. I’m sure there will be articles in the newspapers any day now relating to what has been revealed. Personally I think it is crazy that we should not talk about all the podcast episodes and try to make sense of everything just because some people have chosen not to listen to them now. After all, all it is going to cost is £1 for a one month subscription to the Observer.
So PLEASE can we just agree to have open slather on discussion instead of waiting another 5 or 6 weeks?

DoubtfulCat · 14/01/2026 06:23

who in their right mind with 2 very young kids, with Salray training to be a law clerk, would sell up a house and sink half the money into a company investment that required waiting a year or 2 at least for a return? I think i know where my answer sits, and it lands on the rather large pile of "things that never happened but offered a vague excuse for our shady behaviour."

Do you know I think Tim probably did make an “investment” that failed. I imagine he can be very persuasive and if that doesn’t work, can use his height and manner to dominate (and that rage he showed Bill Cole) so he could have leant on Sally to agree to it. Investments fit his cravats and waistcoat wearing curated image much better than plastering, or even gardening, and I imagine they made a small fortune on their first house, and as Anne says, it’s Sally’s job to look after him and make sure they have the life that he wants.

It sounds as if HNTDDD is much more of a memoir than TSP!!

SimonArmpit · 14/01/2026 06:33

DoubtfulCat · 14/01/2026 06:23

who in their right mind with 2 very young kids, with Salray training to be a law clerk, would sell up a house and sink half the money into a company investment that required waiting a year or 2 at least for a return? I think i know where my answer sits, and it lands on the rather large pile of "things that never happened but offered a vague excuse for our shady behaviour."

Do you know I think Tim probably did make an “investment” that failed. I imagine he can be very persuasive and if that doesn’t work, can use his height and manner to dominate (and that rage he showed Bill Cole) so he could have leant on Sally to agree to it. Investments fit his cravats and waistcoat wearing curated image much better than plastering, or even gardening, and I imagine they made a small fortune on their first house, and as Anne says, it’s Sally’s job to look after him and make sure they have the life that he wants.

It sounds as if HNTDDD is much more of a memoir than TSP!!

It sounds as if HNTDDD is much more of a memoir than TSP!! - that of course is the ultimate irony. The book that was supposedly written as fiction has, in a funny way, more truth to it than the book that was supposedly written as an unflinchingly honest memoir.

Don't they say that first novels are often autobiographical!

SimonArmpit · 14/01/2026 06:51

Choux · 14/01/2026 03:07

Maxine has put the farmhouse in Wales on the market.

Sorry it’s a DM link but anyone can like comments on the article and the top rated comment is currently one about how, if Sally hadn’t stolen from her employer, she would never have lost the house in the first place. I added a like to that one.
https://mol.im/a/15459931

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Maybe the Walkers should move back to their "forever home". That really would square the circle!

OneThousandThreads · 14/01/2026 07:05

"Who in their right mind..."
That is key. I also can imagine that Tim thought some crazy/unwise investment was a great idea.
They don't make decisions like other people.
For instance the book raffle

Anythingbutheadlands · 14/01/2026 07:19

I haven’t listened to 7 yet but am grateful for the summaries.

Over these months of revelations, I’ve been wondering about how SalRay might be coping with the truth coming out - but now there are real slurs coming out against Moth and not just her, I think this must be intolerable for them both. There’s nothing she can do to protect Moth from being outed as a hypochondriacal narcissistic dandy - it’s happened.

I’m so glad that the podcasts bring to light many of the things we’ve discussed here. WorraLorra might be pleased to know that I’m a bit less frothy and huffy and puffy now, (even though the podcasts don’t mention SalRay’s overuse of certain words and hackneyed phrases in her writing). There is so much else that they do share with the world outside MN: HNTDDD, Moth’s Shabby New Romantic image, dodgy timeline, inadequate medical letters, same old stories in interviews, absence of Moth from interviews…and lots of lovely bits of SalRay reading her own execrable dialogue passages. Chloe has done amazing work and I think we’ve also contributed in our own way.

cricketandwhodunnits · 14/01/2026 07:36

Hwaet!!! My dear comrades in froth - I am binging on the Observer podcasts and feeling weirdly proud of us all. As well as angry and sad for all the victims of these people. Hats off to all the sleuths on this thread. It's been quite the ride.

SimonArmpit · 14/01/2026 07:52

I've listened to the first 2 episodes and a few things struck me:

  1. Sal is a complete fantasist. Describing the property in the village de Dropt as a "chateau" is seriously delusional. We are talking Hyacinth Bucket!
  2. Why when Sal was outed by Martin Hemmings as an embezzler, was it she and not Moth who went to see Cooper? After all, it was Cooper who was Moth's relative and lifelong friend whom Tim had ridden a bike around with as a kid?
  3. Sal's ability to manipulate acquaintances, friends and relatives for personal gain without any hint of guilt or subsequent remorse, is mind boggling - the Hemmings (inc having Xmas lunch with them), the Parsons (depicting them as lightweight campers), Polly (depicting her as something approaching a gangmaster), Grant (depicting him as superficial character who was given a meal ticket by his wealthy father rather than having earnt his wealth)

And after the Sky Documentary came out, having the gall to accuse CH of being the one to drive a wedge into her family and that "nothing has changed"! Unreal.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 14/01/2026 08:04

Just catching up now with what everyone is talking about! FINALLY HNTDDD is being shown to be her first book!! OK, I've probably dialled back a bit on the 'wanting to see her stripped of everything she owns by the CB committee', but as long as it is pointed out to everyone that she won that prize with her SECOND book, therefore unfairly...

I woke up this morning with a thought... I don't suppose Tim has eczema on his hands, does he? Only I was out in the garden yesterday, musing over all the work that I have to do and I thought - while he was gardening, I wonder if he was clearing/planting aconites? Because they contain a neurotoxin that, even with undamaged skin, might give symptoms of neurodegeneration.

I was probably just having a Hercule Poirot moment, but I did find myself thinking 'what if he was poisoning himself with aconitum unknowingly?' The symptoms would come and go, depending on what levels of contact he had, but they could occasionally be severe enough to really cause problems.

Then I thought 'nah, Tim's a gardener. He will know the danger. But... what if...?

OneThousandThreads · 14/01/2026 08:23

I came across these quotes (looking for other reasons) from Debbie Mirza's book The Covert Passive Aggressive Narcissist. They sound very much like one or other or both of a certain couple. I have put my brief thoughts in the square brackets after each quote. I have not read the book..

When you are with a CN, you can never win, no matter what you do. They will never be fully satisfied with you. You will never be good enough in their eyes. They have to have something they can hold over you in order to control and manipulate you.
[She often gives the impression of not being good enough for him]
...
The thing you start noticing when you become aware of the issues with the CN is that most of what they say about you is actually a projection of what is true of them.
[Like this, so much. Think I've mentioned this idea before. The Landrover, people's unkindness and shallowness and driving a wedge and people looking down on them. People 'cheating' at the SWCP. ]
...
CNs are very passive. They put the responsibility on you to make sure they are happy and blame you when they're not.
[Him putting responsibility on her? Them both putting the responsibility on others - Martin Hemmings, family, CH, all the meanies they meet everywhere...]
...
Narcissists are deeply unhappy people. They get jealous of you when you are experiencing life and happiness. They do not want you to be happy and strong, as those feelings threaten their ability to control you.
[Someone mentioned before -they want to put others down]
ETA -CN = Covert Narcissist

HatStickBoots · 14/01/2026 08:27

I have an apple subscription so I’ll be listening to these podcasts when I can, but I don’t mind any of the material being discussed, in fact I welcome it.
Moth’s character is proven to be as bad as some pp’s suspicions. I was hesitant to accept that he had a probable personality disorder without that proof. I’m now doubting that they used any of the stolen money to “lovingly” renovate the old farmhouse “brick by brick”. I’m not surprised it’s up for sale again.
Sally’s gift for Tim. Sally must be a narcissist’s dream! No wonder he’s so healthy and well, feeding off all that supply. Her portrayal of him in the books suits him so well, just the person he imagines himself to be. There are no rages described in the books. Ray despairs at Moth’s generosity and kindness that leaves them out of food and pocket. The reader is left thinking that Moth would give someone ‘the clothes off his own back’ if necessary. If he did, it would be to serve his own need to look good, not the needs of the other person. I think he likes being a ‘martyr’.
So.. all this to process and I’m only just managing to comment on Tim so far.
Thank you everybody. Your time and effort here is very much appreciated.

Peladon · 14/01/2026 08:29

If we all clubbed togethet, could we buy the farmhouse and make a Mumsmet Wellness Retreat?

DoubtfulCat · 14/01/2026 08:30

Peladon · 14/01/2026 08:29

If we all clubbed togethet, could we buy the farmhouse and make a Mumsmet Wellness Retreat?

I’m up for that. OH is from that area, it’s lush!

OnlyAfterwards · 14/01/2026 08:30

SimonArmpit · 14/01/2026 07:52

I've listened to the first 2 episodes and a few things struck me:

  1. Sal is a complete fantasist. Describing the property in the village de Dropt as a "chateau" is seriously delusional. We are talking Hyacinth Bucket!
  2. Why when Sal was outed by Martin Hemmings as an embezzler, was it she and not Moth who went to see Cooper? After all, it was Cooper who was Moth's relative and lifelong friend whom Tim had ridden a bike around with as a kid?
  3. Sal's ability to manipulate acquaintances, friends and relatives for personal gain without any hint of guilt or subsequent remorse, is mind boggling - the Hemmings (inc having Xmas lunch with them), the Parsons (depicting them as lightweight campers), Polly (depicting her as something approaching a gangmaster), Grant (depicting him as superficial character who was given a meal ticket by his wealthy father rather than having earnt his wealth)

And after the Sky Documentary came out, having the gall to accuse CH of being the one to drive a wedge into her family and that "nothing has changed"! Unreal.

Edited

Yes, I noted that too: that it was SW who went off to London to see ‘Cooper’, despite him being TW’s relative. I did wonder if that was necessary to create the fiction TW told the police when she didn’t show up as requested for further questioning, after saying ‘no comment’ for the first day — that she’d gone to Skye and was implicitly distraught and in danger of harming herself. One assumes he knew exactly where she’d gone?

Episode 2 makes it clear that ‘Cooper’ was still in touch with TW after his business had gone bust, and was still well-intentioned enough towards him to have written to the businessmen who’d bought the debt that TW was making every effort to sell Pen y Maes but was being hampered by a serious illness he’d been hospitalised for and of which ‘Cooper’ had only recently been made aware of. That makes it clear the primary relationship is with TW, not SW, even though she was apparently the one who sought the loan.

I have found myself asking throughout exactly what TW’s role in all this was (other than it being clear he enjoyed the things SW’s thefts and, later, earnings, got him): it’s SW who steals from her employers, SW who apparently takes out credit cards, SW who apparently goes to London to beg a loan, SW who is arrested, SW who steals from her mother, SW who apparently steals from TW’s parents (though, significantly, she puts the money into TW’s account), SW who writes the ‘confession letters’ taking responsibility, SW who writes the bestselling books and fronts the publicity, who issues the two statements saying the Observer is spreading a grotesquely misleading narrative etc etc. No sign of TW, even in situations where it might be natural to expect it — given that much of the first statement is about his health, why doesn’t he co-sign, or write the part that’s about him?

Through all this, both in the books, media, CH investigation etc, we get very few glimpses of TW (outside the chilled, charismatic, tragically ill secular saint persona SW gives him in the books).

I think that’s why the glimpse of a furious, intimidating TW in Episode 3, lashing out at their benefactor Bill Cole when he tries to bring in a young couple to make cider because the Walkers aren’t, feels so significant to me. And that, when approached via email by BC afterwards, SW said it was CBD making him behave that way, and implying that she regularly has to deal with it.

It really is the illness that gives and gives, isn’t it?

Peladon · 14/01/2026 08:31

Vroom: wondering whether aconitum also cause a change in the gardener's relationship with the truth? That might explain everything.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 14/01/2026 08:32

I picked up some comments on Facebook yesterday about this (I'd link but I can't remember where it was, might have been the Country Living site?) Lots of disappointment, feeling cheated from readers but a fair sprinkling of 'I don't care, I'm not going to listen to this, I loved the books so I'm sticking to that.'

Which I guess is fair enough, people are entitled to think what they like and to keep their delusions intact, but it does mean that the books will continue to be recommended and to keep selling. So Sally and Tim will KEEP profiting from what has been a very sleazy and underhand attempt to manipulate. And that makes me really angry.

I'm frothing again.....

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