To wonder what US Trump voters think now

[Indiependant]

Their country's reputation trashed. The man they voted for heavily implicated in the Epstein scandal. Contempt shown to them abroad.
About to completely shift Ukraine. Enabling Netanyahu to commit mass murder of children with their tax dollars. No roaring economy. The environment fucked probbaky beyond saving due to their inaction.
What, in all honesty, do the 75 million who have caused this catastrophe think?

And that’s the idiot Trump voter in a nutshell.

Enjoy the cesspit he’s creating. Your country is run by a self serving lunatic. And that’s what you wanted. 👍

Honestly, does it make you happy to follow American politics? You just seem angry tbh and it’s not very productive.

Like, this whole thread is all, ‘look at what Trump’s doing NOW! Surely you regret your vote THIS TIME!!!’

Yeah no. Still happy with my vote. Plan to throw in for Vance in 2028. Keep white knuckling those pearls tho!

It’s your funeral sweety 😂😂😂

They love it, can’t get enough of it, and want more of it.

Actually, it occurs to me that even if people don't get more personal money under Trump, they might well feel as though they do thanks to the whole performance of it. He's making a very big show of deporting people and parading the captured Maduro (imagine what this would be like in a Roman triumph); he's very visibly doing stuff, and people might just assume that this means there's more money even if nothing changes for them really, or doesn't change for the better.

It's showmanship, among many other things too.

Like conspiracists everywhere, they appeal to people’s basest instincts. And make stupid people feel clever.

Hence the MAGA droids. Who tell on themselves with every post

Having just visited the US I think @RingoJuice you have a view that I think Trump certainly holds and a lot of Americans hold.

Which is that the rest of the world wants to be American.

And I think this is borne from a time where the US was ahead - where the way of life particularly in relation to technology/TV/shopping malls.

I remember visiting the US for the first time in the 1980s and it seemed like a different world. My kids don’t see that at all. The gap has closed (indeed it was the US that briefly lost TikTok) an everything pretty much in US and Europe etc happens at the same time.

Greenland for example neither wants or needs to be helped by the US. The reasons US wants it are clear but there is also this kind of weird thought process that it also needs the US - it really doesn’t. The issues living there isn’t going to be changed by the US such as no sunlight do four months.

I think Greenlanders might very very carefully consider the way that indigenous populations /first nations have been treated in the US and think maybe you guys don't have the best track record... I think MAGA types should think about that for a minute. After all, with all the nativist ideology being pushed in those circles, it shouldn't be too hard to understand.

Maybe I should spell it out a little more: Andrew Jackson back in the day (a hero of Trump's as he's stated many times) oversaw the Indian Removal Act which led to the infamous 'Trail of Tears' displacement of entire tribes. Is that what Greenlanders can look forward to? The worst thing was that Jackson believed it was for their own good...

Agree. And just to add, it appears that for Trump voters, it does not actually have to be them that become rich. Oil and mining execs are enough. It's almost like a surrogate wealth thing is going on. So long as its not libs that do well.

So I will say this. I do like British people fundamentally. Decent, practical and solid people (although not very optimistic or positive lol, it’s culturally frowned upon).

BUT this is a very ‘crabs in the bucket’ mentality. An industry gets richer or more productive? That’s going to be a huge boost to the country! Even if you don’t personally benefit, your country as a whole will. How is that remotely a bad thing?

Like ok, if you think oil companies will benefit eg in Venezuela (is a good possibility), well, most are publicly traded. Go buy some Chevron or Exxon shares. You could buy a small piece of that prosperity.

But nah, you’d rather complain if it’s not going to benefit you specifically

@StandFirm i think Trump believes that too as I said I think there is some weird belief that everyone wants to be American and part of the US!

Very much our experience when we lived there.

I’m not sure if it comes from arrogance or ignorance or a mix of both.

I’m sure UK pension funds are already busy investing in NOCs and service companies on our behalf.

Plus defence companies, as it seems that NATO is under threat.

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I used to live there and I think it’s a bit of both. It’s very strange. After 9/11 they were all told they were attacked because people “hated their freedom”. Nothing to do with foreign policy and various wars eh

The vast majority of Americans in the U.S. don’t seem to have a clue or concern about what havoc their country is or isn’t causing or what’s going on internationally.
Unless it negatively impacts the US economy.

And this applies to both moderate Republicans and Democrats I’d say, not just MAGA.

It’s a shame because Americans have a lot of good qualities. I know some people find them too loud and brash but I find them very warm, helpful and lively. Especially folk from the South. But if you dig a bit deeper with a lot of them the ignorance starts to show.

Bit of a tangent there but I also find it weird how little some of them travel and I’m not even just talking abroad. I mean even just to another US State. I was talking to a man aged 35 who had never been abroad and hadn’t been to more than a handful of states.

Explaining more than once that, growing up in England, I’m a native English speaker was quite the eye opener.

Agree with this
Many aspects of the US are incredible. Scenery, personableand warm hearted people etc
But so insular! And as you say little knowledge or respect for other ways of life or approaches, thinking everyone wants life like them. And twisting religious beliefs in such an obtuse way to suit their agendas
And this is the main frustration. Again, do what you want to yourself ( abortion, guns, healthcare) but stop forcing your obsessions on others.
Yes we've over relied on you, biggest regrets there

Is money all that Americans ever care about?(Apologies to those Americans who do have consciences, I know that you do exist)

Greenland is largely wilderness. Like the national parks in the US (which Trump wants to drill) its pristine environment deserves protecting.

There are already US military bases there. The US leases them as part of its missile defence against the former USSR. Remember JD Vance visiting it early in the term?

You know what does flow from the US military bases? Not money, it's pollution.

We are not the owners of this planet, merely the custodians with a duty to preserve it for future generations. Screwing them over to make a fast buck should not be a consideration.

Did you read this bit?

No evidence has suggested that the other four Democratic states suffered similar widespread welfare frauds

This has been blown out of all proportion into a massive consipiracy theory that has led to Tim Walz and his family getting death threats from right wing nutjobs. In a state where a right wing nutjob recently murdered several people for their political affiliation. Trump will do anything to distract from the Epstein files, it seems.

Listening to a radio programme about this today. Because, as predicted, he's already talking about Greenland
They already apparently have great rights for oil
They already have the right to increase military bases, apparently they used to have many more and again have an agreement
So oil and security arent really the reasons
Just power, ego, domination

I also agree that it should be up to Greenland
And currently they dont want it
But I suspect money will win

It would take 16 years and considerable capital to start production in Venezuela. That's a lot of risk at a time when OPEC has sent the oil price down to $60/barrel - a price it can afford to extract at but is uneconomic elsewhere.

And it’s not great quality oil either - heavy and sulphurous.

@RingoJuice Kamala would not have been any different to Biden.

The same Biden who got post-pandemic inflation down faster than any other major economy?