Anyone watching Trump talk about invading Venezuela?

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

wow

no words

No. They are not currently invading and occupying foreign nations and while Venezuela was founded as a colony of Spain it has long since been independent. Plus many Venezuelas are fully indigenous, mestizos are simply migrants and the descendants of migrants.

Is your argument that due to the actions of Spanish conquistadors in the 1500s, then the USA has the right to invade Venezuela in 2026?

@JHound- I would say straight talking. I find it preferable to the wet as a can of piss approach of our own countries leadership.

Oh cool so being juvenile in politics is preferable to actual mature reasonable leadership in your eyes.

Cool.

Do you think it's in his interest to attack a NATO ally and start a war in Europe? Most likely deal is just USA has more commercial access or whatever in Greenland and they keep their sovereignty.

Though if he does attack Greenland I will change my mind and admit my mistake.

No, I’m pointing out trying to present this through a prism of colonialism just because the aggressor is the USA will fail as Venezuela itself is a former colony. The natives were murdered and the people there today are the descendants of the oppressors.

Someone's got their knickers in a twist.

It is colonialism. I am not trying to present it as that.

That PP described colonialiam. Invading a foreign nation and subjecting it to foreign rule for the economic benefit of the invading nation is the very definition of colonialism. And one of the arguments made in defence of colonialism (which is what the PP stated) was that “Western control will benefit Venezuela).

Or if you don’t like it being referred to as Colonialism then have “Imperialism” instead.

The fact Venezuela was founded as a colony by Spain is neither here nor there. You trying to suggest that how Venezuela was founded by Spain means US actions in the modern day cannot be criticised is moronic.

(It’s the same “logic” that says Britons cannot complain about illegal immigration because the British Empire existed.)

That is true. In economics there is something called a multiplier effect. Infrastructure investment expenditure will ripple through and cause spending elsewhere.

I think the word colonise has sadly lost pretty much all specific meaning these days and is just a catch all for "thing done by a white person that a leftist doesn't like."

Rubio's little speech was basically "people need to understand - when Trump says something he means it".

I think it's naive in the extreme to dismiss the possibility of further animations. Greenland and Canada have been the most directly threatened. The former they could take with relative ease and without too much negative domestic PR.

I disagree because I think colonialism is different to occupation. Colonialism involves flooding the new territory with settlers to displace the ‘natives’. While I don’t know Trump’s plans, I can’t see that happening, what I see is an occupation which means being ruled by a foreign military force.

Not the whole thing is to do with sanctions. Even so sanctions were there due to vast human rights abuses, corruption and government support of drug cartels.

Not to mention the government seized the assets of US owned companies during forced nationalisation.

Trump has made pretty clear his contempt for NATO, and the US's 2025 National Security Strategy framed Europe in remarkably adversarial terms.

**see French, Dutch, Roman, Greek, Mongolian, Russian, Persian, Babylonian Portuguese, Armies of Mohammed and its successors inc Ottomans etc. This is what strong countries have done to weak ones through history

As a dementia nurse albeit retired I can tell you that Trump shows clear signs of fronto-temporal dementia. The weird standing pose, the confabulation and hand bruises suggesting he is having regular infusions. Shame on his enablers allowing him to remain in power…he needs to be in residential care or more preferably in Hell where he belongs.

God help us all.

Yes, and the US took the leading role in replacing that with the rules-based international order that has existed since the second world war.

It's now tossed that out of the window. Law and order has been replaced by warfare.

That's a scary world to be European in.

Well on Newsfeeds, the majority of the resident Venezuelans are pouring onto the streets celebrating. So I guess that tells you that their leader might have been a bit of a twat, and they are pleased Trump has removed him from power….🤷‍♀️

What about Biden?

It's just on burden sharing, nations should spent money on their one defenses instead of relying on the US tax payer.

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It is if they are fleeing to the US in droves.

Tbf given how happy the Venezuelans seem to be I’m ok with this, I still remember people streaming out of Venezuela and the reports of starvation. Whatever the reasons I think the populace seem pretty content with this.

I also think it’s a little bit odd to be talking like everyone has been following the rules until Trump did this. It’s completely disconnected from the reality of geopolitics as it has been pretty much forever.

Look at it this way, Maduro has been accused of having ties with Hezbollah and Iran (IRCG drone factories etc) , the russians (busy terrorising ukraine and africans) and chinese (who are still threatening to invade Taiwan) also have close ties with them. The russians and chinese have apparently been sending weapons to Iran and the Iranian regime is probably shipping in iraqi militias, hezbollah and assorted fanatics to start terrorising their populace.

There is a network of pretty nasty countries that help each other to the detriment of their own populations and they export violence. If kidnapping one guy allows a country to move back to a democratic system (Maduro actually lost the last election) normalise relations with it’s neighbours, unoppress it’s population and reduce malign influence then I really struggle to have a problem with it. I dislike Trump immensely but this was a good thing imo.

If the Iranian regime also falls this is a massive reconfiguration of geopolitics. It will actually make the world a safer place. Talking doesn’t actually work.

I can’t tell you how right you are on this.

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Also I find it odd that no-one seems to be able to accurately identify dictatorship and imperialsim unless it’s a western country doing it. Iran is imperialistic, russia and china are also imperialistic. Sick of seeing tankies crying over Maduro when Venezuelans are talking about freedom and sharing stories of their disappeared loved ones.