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People who feel completely alien to you…

351 replies

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 30/12/2025 16:07

I’ll start - people who can’t wait to take the tree and decorations down on Boxing Day (or any time during the following very few days) and ‘have a really good clean’.

2nd (this’ll be popular on MN!) - people who don’t like dogs. 🐶❤️

OP posts:
britinnyc · 30/12/2025 22:49

Rosamutabilis · 30/12/2025 22:16

You're really getting exercised about something that I never even said.

I have never once said that I deliberately ( as you claim) exclude anyone who hasn't been to university from my social circles. I'm sure it's true that there are many interesting people who haven't.

I simply said that I don't know anyone socially who hasn't and given the types of people in my friends and family groups I would be highly unlikely to meet anyone who hasn't.

That's why I said I feel they are alien to me.

As someone with 2 degrees you can presumably see that those are two completely different scenarios.

A pp said that her social circles comprise solely of bar workers, shop workers etc and she only knows one person with a degree. Whereas those types of jobs are done by students in their holidays in my circles, no one has that type of job after graduating or makes their living doing them.

People are different but you don't seem to realise that. I hope you're as vitriolic towards people who don't know anyone with a degree, and tell them they're missing out on swathes of interesting people, as you have been to me when I say that, by the life circumstances I find myself in, that I don't know anyone who hasn't.

Still seems hard to believe to me, maybe you don’t have children but having young kids opened my social circle up to people from a wide variety of educational backgrounds. Have you also never had a job and socialized with coworkers? Even in a corporate role that typically you need a degree for there are usually people you interact with and befriend who have got there by alternative means like joining a training scheme right out of school or working their way up from an entry level admin job. And shock horror, sometimes highly educated people marry people from a different background and bring their spouse into their social circle. So either your social circle is very small and limited or you are being deliberately obtuse about these things.

UnhappyHobbit · 30/12/2025 22:51

People that abuse animals or humans.

People that have and enjoy casual sex.

People that genuinely get off on being condescending and rude to people.

ballroompink · 30/12/2025 22:54

Some of mine have already been mentioned (Disney adults, people into stuff like Strictly and Love Island) but some others are:

  • People who can't be out and about for a walk without being on the phone, particularly on speaker or on a video call
  • People who troop round the supermarket as a family, all go to the tills in a shop as a family, all go to queue in a café as a huge group etc. even when one person is paying for everyone. It's so inefficient and faffy.
Blasterplaster · 30/12/2025 23:00

SereneCoralExpert · 30/12/2025 22:49

what I find weird is that you seem to think ALL women must have been sexually assaulted.

I am very sorry you have been in condition where you have been assaulted A DOZEN TIMES, that's a horrible number and unthinkable to be put through.

1: How many times have you been sexually assaulted?
none
How many times have my sisters been assaulted? none.
My girlfriends? none

So I can understand your point of view, but the majority of men haters are not victims at all. They just hate men.

Do I feel threaten when I see a man? No. A runner, a policeman, a fireman, an A&E doctor, a random bloke in the street, the security guard that's the only one left in the building when it's late? No. Do most women around me feel threaten? No.

Are men a different species and a threat?no, why?

What I find weird is that the vast majority of women are sexually assaulted. And yet you don’t know anyone who has? It happens a lot less in better off households, hence the cliche of the middle class liberal women who have no problem sharing spaces with trans women (they see men as much less of a threat) but I’m achingly middle class and was sexually assaulted 4 times before I got to my mid 30s!

BauhausOfEliott · 30/12/2025 23:03

Thepeopleversuswork · 30/12/2025 20:22

Yeah sorry I have been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt up to this point but you are a roaring snob.

@ThepeopleversusworkCorrect. It just goes to show that a university education doesn’t necessarily broaden the mind or expand one’s horizons.

I went to university. My siblings didn’t. Neither did my DP. My uncle is an academic very prominent in his field, and of his kids, one went to university and the other didn’t. My nieces and nephews include one with a Masters and one who didn’t finish A-levels. It’s genuinely very odd to imagine that university graduates and the rest of the population would never overlap or have anything in common. Of course they do?!

Talkingtomyhouseplants · 30/12/2025 23:03

I will counter your “people who don’t like dogs” with people who act like their dog is a human child and prioritise it over everything else.

But other than that:

  • People who just aren’t bothered about food - like they eat it because they have to but it seems to give them no joy and they have no interest in trying new things.
  • People who enjoy going on a trip with multiple different phases and lots of travelling about staying in different locations
  • Adult couples who sleep in a double bed
xAwaywiththefairiesx · 30/12/2025 23:06

Duckiewasthefirstniceguy · 30/12/2025 22:43

I really think this is cultural. In my culture, punctuality isn’t a ‘thing’. It just isn’t. When I moved to the U.K. and people got upset about timekeeping, it was one of my biggest culture shocks. 😅

No, I live in a predominantly white British area. My friends and family are 90% white British, like me, with a few Polish and one Italian thrown in.

The late people are all White British.

SereneCoralExpert · 30/12/2025 23:08

Blasterplaster · 30/12/2025 23:00

What I find weird is that the vast majority of women are sexually assaulted. And yet you don’t know anyone who has? It happens a lot less in better off households, hence the cliche of the middle class liberal women who have no problem sharing spaces with trans women (they see men as much less of a threat) but I’m achingly middle class and was sexually assaulted 4 times before I got to my mid 30s!

people close enough to have these discussions, no, none has. Why would they lie? I am not going to start making up sexual assault , that would be offensive!

ho have no problem sharing spaces with trans women
I do have an opinion about trans women for various reasons, but that wouldn't be relevant here

xAwaywiththefairiesx · 30/12/2025 23:11

Talkingtomyhouseplants · 30/12/2025 23:03

I will counter your “people who don’t like dogs” with people who act like their dog is a human child and prioritise it over everything else.

But other than that:

  • People who just aren’t bothered about food - like they eat it because they have to but it seems to give them no joy and they have no interest in trying new things.
  • People who enjoy going on a trip with multiple different phases and lots of travelling about staying in different locations
  • Adult couples who sleep in a double bed

I see your people who act like their dog is a human child and prioritise it over everything else and raise you:

People who think everyone else loves their dog and wants to treat it like human child, prioritising it over everything else and making allowances for it.

And I say this as a dog owner. My dog is part of my life. He isn't my whole life. Not even close. And I don't even expect others to even remember his existence.

Doingtheboxerbeat · 30/12/2025 23:21

Intolerance and a lack of critical thought is alien to me. Like I dislike soaps, reality TV and gaming, but I know that if I got into them, I would be totally hooked.
But , people can't see why I absolutely adore riding my bike and the feeling of a nice glass of wine or 3 at the end the day alone or with friends - if it's not what they enjoy, then it must be utterly shit, right?

Don't get me started on people not being able to wrap their heads around why I love living alone 😖.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 30/12/2025 23:21

Serious people & jobsworths. People who are overly serious with their children too, encouraging mini adult behaviour.

BoxesBoxesEverywhere · 30/12/2025 23:24

User7854653 · 30/12/2025 20:22

Do you know any Disney adults in real life? Nobody's judging the fact that they enjoy something meant for children, but it's the "vibe" they give off. There's always something slightly unnerving about the way Disney adults portray their own lifestyle. Many of them post about their trips like it's supposed to make other adults jealous. They often keep the trip secret until suddenly posting a huge reveal of themselves at Disneyland with some sort of triumphant caption (bear in mind nobody cares at all because they go there at least 5 times a year). Or they show themselves with Disney mascots and doing other childish activities as if other adults must be dying to experience the same thing.

I think it's the weird disconnect between not understanding that what you enjoy doing isn't necessarily what other people enjoy. Most people know that they can post about a beach vacation or a city break but in a way that is fully self aware. The narrative is "I'm an adult and here are a few pictures of a vacation I really enjoy". Whereas with Disney adults, the narrative is usually "LOOK WHERE I AM NOW AREN'T YOU JEALOUS HAHAHA NANANANA *blows raspberry"

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Nobody's judging the fact that they enjoy something meant for children

Or they show themselves with Disney mascots and doing other childish activities

Nobody's judging them doing stuff meant for children then next breath says they're childish 🙄😁

The narrative is I'm an adult and here are a few pictures of a vacation I really enjoy (the use of adult here telling, as you show this is "acceptable in your eyes for adult behaviour"

Whereas with Disney adults, the narrative is usually "LOOK WHERE I AM NOW AREN'T YOU JEALOUS HAHAHA NANANANA blows raspberry"*

😂 Erm, I think you're thinking wayyyy too deep about this and projecting your own issues onto others enjoyment lol. As the kids would say, "it ain't that deep, bro." 😁

Let people enjoy what they like instead of whether it's adult enough or childish in your eyes.

Duckiewasthefirstniceguy · 30/12/2025 23:26

@britinnyc I have kids, and the people I’ve met via them (parents at nursery and school) have been pretty similar to me. The people with whom I work all (literally all) have postgrad degrees, and that’s always been the case.

I know a lot of people, of diverse ethnicities, religions and nationalities. However, my social circle isn’t at all diverse in the educational or socioeconomic sense. Not because I don’t want it to be (I don’t particularly care, tbh), but because that’s who I meet, who I went to school with, who I work with and so on. I don’t think this is unusual.

Duckiewasthefirstniceguy · 30/12/2025 23:27

xAwaywiththefairiesx · 30/12/2025 23:06

No, I live in a predominantly white British area. My friends and family are 90% white British, like me, with a few Polish and one Italian thrown in.

The late people are all White British.

Ah, then I have no explanation. 🤣

catontheironingboard · 30/12/2025 23:34

I keep my decorations up until the proper time (epiphany) — but sorry, OP, I really dislike dogs.

Thedogscollar · 30/12/2025 23:42

People who proclaim to be a Christian go to Church on a Sunday then act like an arse for the rest of the week.

Rosamutabilis · 30/12/2025 23:56

britinnyc · 30/12/2025 22:49

Still seems hard to believe to me, maybe you don’t have children but having young kids opened my social circle up to people from a wide variety of educational backgrounds. Have you also never had a job and socialized with coworkers? Even in a corporate role that typically you need a degree for there are usually people you interact with and befriend who have got there by alternative means like joining a training scheme right out of school or working their way up from an entry level admin job. And shock horror, sometimes highly educated people marry people from a different background and bring their spouse into their social circle. So either your social circle is very small and limited or you are being deliberately obtuse about these things.

Yes I have children who are now adults. Maybe it was coincidence or where I lived when they were young but the children they were friends with who came to play/ have tea etc had university educated parents.
Of course I worked but almost everyone where I worked had a degree, you had to to do the work, the people who didn't were people doing admin and estates type of work and I didn't socialise with them, only the immediate teams.
And no one out of the numbers of people I know, has married someone who didn't have a degree.
You may find it hard to believe but there are plenty of people like me.

xAwaywiththefairiesx · 31/12/2025 08:46

Rosamutabilis · 30/12/2025 23:56

Yes I have children who are now adults. Maybe it was coincidence or where I lived when they were young but the children they were friends with who came to play/ have tea etc had university educated parents.
Of course I worked but almost everyone where I worked had a degree, you had to to do the work, the people who didn't were people doing admin and estates type of work and I didn't socialise with them, only the immediate teams.
And no one out of the numbers of people I know, has married someone who didn't have a degree.
You may find it hard to believe but there are plenty of people like me.

How did you know, though?

The parents of my kids friends don't know I have a degree, I don't think. I probably have a few friends that don't know, or wouldn't be able to answer for sure if you asked them

I can't tell you for certain if some of my friends have degrees or not. Obviously I know my close friends, but there's people I socialise with where I couldn't tell you their level of education with any certainty.

HelpMeGetThrough · 31/12/2025 08:57

99% of the posters on here, but it’s cracking entertainment at times.

Thepeopleversuswork · 31/12/2025 09:14

@Rosamutabilis

I hope you're as vitriolic towards people who don't know anyone with a degree, and tell them they're missing out on swathes of interesting people, as you have been to me when I say that, by the life circumstances I find myself in, that I don't know anyone who hasn't.

I’m sorry: I just don’t believe that you can live in a world where everyone you interact with has been in tertiary education.

So everyone who has ever been into your house? Everyone who has ever done a job for you? Everyone who you have transacted with? Everyone you have spoken to on the telephone or who has helped you with a medical issue? Everyone who has been involved in your children’s care and education? Everyone in any shop or business where you have purchased a product or a service? Anyone who has sold a property to you? They all have degrees? I don’t buy this.

What if any of these frightful degree-less people had happened to slip through the net and (whisper it) actually become an acquaintance or even (gasp) a friend? Too awful to contemplate. One must be constantly vigilant.

The fact that you think this is even possible suggests that either you are naive or that you are status conscious to the point of neurosis. You would have to be ruthlessly and systematically screening everyone who you interact with for their education status to even have a chance of eliminating these embarrassing degree-free people. More or less asking for a degree certificate as people cross the threshold. No one is that vigilant.

GreywackeJ · 31/12/2025 09:15

Heyhelga · 30/12/2025 16:11

People who qué up outside shops on Boxing Day. After all the shopping in the build up to Christmas going shopping again is the last thing I want to do.

People who think qué is queue.

saveforthat · 31/12/2025 09:20

GreywackeJ · 31/12/2025 09:15

People who think qué is queue.

People who don't read the whole thread and repeat something already mentioned several times. Cancel the cheque.

GreywackeJ · 31/12/2025 09:24

saveforthat · 31/12/2025 09:20

People who don't read the whole thread and repeat something already mentioned several times. Cancel the cheque.

People who read the full thread. Who does that? 🤭

SocksAndTheCity · 31/12/2025 09:37

I'm one of the frightful degree free people; I left school at sixteen and went to work. I've been self employed and successful now for almost thirty years, and I don't exist in a vacuum.

Having encountered people like @Rosamutabilis now and again I have no wish to be friends with them either, so they have nothing to fear about their precious 'circles' being polluted by any stray plebs Hmm

For the purposes of the thread topic, I'll add people who like the countryside. I can see that bits of it are pretty, but even thinking about living there makes me feel vaguely panicky.

Thepeopleversuswork · 31/12/2025 09:45

SocksAndTheCity · 31/12/2025 09:37

I'm one of the frightful degree free people; I left school at sixteen and went to work. I've been self employed and successful now for almost thirty years, and I don't exist in a vacuum.

Having encountered people like @Rosamutabilis now and again I have no wish to be friends with them either, so they have nothing to fear about their precious 'circles' being polluted by any stray plebs Hmm

For the purposes of the thread topic, I'll add people who like the countryside. I can see that bits of it are pretty, but even thinking about living there makes me feel vaguely panicky.

Frightful indeed. One may be so scrupulous about one’s own precious social status but how very unsettling to learn that one may unwittingly interact with serfs on the internet…

Goes off to buy anti-pleb software

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