Labour Voters. Honest question

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I’m not looking to start an argument on this subject. I know it’s a very heated and emotive topic.

I have strong views on political issues. What with algorithms and biased news organisations, it’s very easy to end up only seeing information that confirms what we already believe. Because of that, you don’t often hear the other side of the political divide.

I’m honestly curious whether those who voted Labour at the last General Election, for reference I did not, would vote the same way if there were an early GE in January, purely hypothetical of course.

If so, I’d really appreciate you sharing what you feel they’ve done right so far in their term. I’m asking as I genuinely want to understand different perspectives.

YABU - I would vote labour again
YANBU - I wouldn’t vote for them again (or ever have)

Don’t you think it’s telling that you can’t think of a single example of anyone not on benefits better off under Labour ?
Don’t you think that it’s telling that instead of recognising facts, you accuse people of being paid because they keep pointing out these facts.
Quite simply, this Government is indefensible. That is why you’re struggling so much.

I feel im as common and working class as they get, but labour does nothing for people like me

It’s because Labour’s definition of working class is someone who doesn’t work with a few exceptions for working for organisations with big trade unions, where as most people’s definition would be those who make their living from working.

So is your argument, what Labour are doing is bad, we’re should’ve let the Cons continue do bad things instead? Do you really imagine they were on the verge of magically turning things around? Labour are 100% the least worst option out there.

Have a read of this. I’d not actually seen this until half an hour ago, but it summarises my thoughts on catastrophic Ed. The only difference is that this is an old article - written before Ed M got put in charge of climate change (or summat). Terrible. Terrible. Terrible.

https://medium.com/@craig_walmsley/this-is-all-ed-milibands-fault-f221341eb108

I would probably vote Labour if there were an election, largely to keep Reform/Conservative out of Government. As has been said, they have done some good stuff. But they have made some pretty big political errors, entirely unforced. I really want to give Starmer and Reeves credit but they seem not to be particularly politically savvy or are being badly advised.

I would naturally go to lib-dem, but I have to say, Greens are looking more of a good option.

This is utter bunkum.

Did you take that at face value, and are you insane enough to believe that the actions of those who directly caused Brexit, funded it and campaigned for it, are not to blame - because Milliband didn’t do something else ?

Do you think Labour is “magically” going to turn things round? Or even “unmagically”?

They got in off the back of an exhausted Tory government. And quite right too. But Labour’s proved too stupid, dishonest and craven to govern, even in 18 months.

Labour’s best legacy now is making the right come to its senses.

In government, Labour’s failed even the smallest tests.

Bunkum? What do you interpret as Labours definition of ‘working people’?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/25/working-people-definition-labour-starmer-budget

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyg44lwjydo.amp
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-rachel-reeves-clarifies-working-people-are-people-who-go-out-to-work-13155353

I consider myself centre/ slighly right leading politically however I would vote Labour again, purely because my new local labour MP has done far more for my area than the previous Conservative MP (who I actually quite liked and had voted for previously)

I don’t think it’s an easy connection anymore for Labour and w/c. They’ll have lost many to other parties.

I think the Conservatives did not deserve to stay in government. I also think that Labour have turned out to be worse for the country. It is possible to think those two things at the same time. You are welcome to think that my views are utterly shit.

Oh dear. The usual Labour head in sand approach. There’s no point discussing it if you don’t want to see the truth. Labour Never take responsibility for Anything. Frightening.

I’m not on benefits but I am better off under Labour. Inflation is down, interest rates are down. These were on a rising trajectory under Conservative, they were also planning income tax increases.

They haven’t “turned things around” but they have stopped the tide. Anyine who thinks we would be in a better position if we still had a Tory or Reform government is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Plus the inheritance tax on farms and resentment at HoL doing their due scrutiny on the assisted death bill. The former now reversed because this government loves the u turn.

Plus VAT on private schools which I think was vindictive and immoral. Some people making more money than me does not entitle me to their money, and I really think being willing to spend on your kids’ education if you can is quite reasonable.

And Bridget Philipson refusing to release the guidance on the SC ruling about the meaning of sex. It’s a law, you are the government, make sure it’s enforced.

You’re correct. It’s not so much a class system anymore as it is a blunt money system.

Money talks, and for example atm many traditional wc people are receiving more money in benefits than traditional mc full time workers.

It certainly isn’t people who don’t work.🤦🏻‍♀️

Don’t be utterly ridiculous.

That article claims Cameron was forced to hold the referendum because Milliband failed to win the election.

Cameron was forced to hold the referendum because Cameron put that promise in his manifesto.

I’ve had two GP appointments within 24 hours of request this month. It was unheard of before.

I voted Labour last year, just as I had in every election since I got the vote. I am disappointed in some aspects of this government but overall they’re doing pretty well with the poison chalice they inherited.

Would I vote for them again? If I didn’t live where I do probably. However this is a Reform target constituency and I might have to hold my nose and vote Tory as the only way of keeping them out. On the bright side our new Tory MP is hardworking and community minded so it could be worse.

Working people is just code for unionised employees, mostly in the public sector or closely adjacent. The self-employed are definitely not working people, of course.

Gordon Brown's invention of working tax credits started the rot, by allowing cynical companies to shift responsibility for paying staff properly to the tax payer. The bill to the taxpayer has just soared, along with the price of housing which means that any single person on NMW in the SE (like my apprentice DC) requires occasional financial assistance to make ends meet.

And now, rent and tax 'reforms' are driving small landlords out of business using a model already enacted (and now being unwound) in Portugal and NZ.

I agree with you! im grafting for my kids to have a better future, not for my earnings to be taxed 10 times before it reaches them. Meanwhile bone idle don't bother bettering themselves, expect better life to be handed to them on a silver plated plate all thanks to the rest of us paying taxes.

Oh, I did vote Labour last election. I always have done and I thought I was a never Tory, but the freebies have also really ticked me off. CoL crisis, chaps - let’s consider the optics shall we?

Sorry I’ve completely missed this ‘And Bridget Philipson refusing to release the guidance on the SC ruling about the meaning of sex. It’s a law, you are the government, make sure it’s enforced.’. I can’t bear BP she’s truly awful but is this true??

She’s withheld the release of govt guidance on the meaning of sex in the EA, as clarified by the SC?

(I mean laughable, that sentence, but here we are).

Labour always did say that some women have penises. They must hate the lovely factual SC ruling.

😂😂 italics no less. What are your thoughts about Ed Miliband? Do you think he’s a competent MP?