Labour Voters. Honest question

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I’m not looking to start an argument on this subject. I know it’s a very heated and emotive topic.

I have strong views on political issues. What with algorithms and biased news organisations, it’s very easy to end up only seeing information that confirms what we already believe. Because of that, you don’t often hear the other side of the political divide.

I’m honestly curious whether those who voted Labour at the last General Election, for reference I did not, would vote the same way if there were an early GE in January, purely hypothetical of course.

If so, I’d really appreciate you sharing what you feel they’ve done right so far in their term. I’m asking as I genuinely want to understand different perspectives.

YABU - I would vote labour again
YANBU - I wouldn’t vote for them again (or ever have)

Put some extra notes on for you.

-Unemployment up 20% ( unemployment/number of unemployed as a percentage of the labor force)
-Monthly redundancy averages up 32% (average number of people made redundant each month)
-You were right on the independent schools,
-If there’s no open border policies, how can people traverse our borders without paperwork?
-Blasphemy laws: https://www.newstatesman.com/thestaggers/2024/11/there-is-no-place-for-blasphemy-laws-in-the-labour-party
-Decolonise the curriculum (straight from Labour);https://www.lewishamlabour.com/decolonising-the-curriculum/
-As for your crass comment about committing suicide before Labours generational farm
raid, did you expect them to wait until after? I think you’ve shown the true face of hardcore Labour supporters with that comment. https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/farmers-tragic-death-sparks-inheritance-tax-outrage

I haven’t seen the 50k health worker one, do you have a link to it?

£20k tax threshold is a brilliant idea I think personally, it should be around £16k anyway without fiscal drag. It would encourage people into work and away from benefits. It’s forecast to cost a an average Rachel black hole, but would be amazing for working people (actual working people, not labour definition).

Labour’s problems are:

-Their resentment based ideology
-Their policies
-Their hypocrisy when it comes to their own lives

I haven’t seen the 50k health worker one, do you have a link to it?

It’s actually even more bonkers than I remembered as no limit is specified.

• All frontline NHS and social care staff to pay zero basic rate tax for 3 years.

www.tax.org.uk/general-election-2024-reform-uk-propose-big-cuts-in-income-inheritance-and-corporation-taxes

What ? The first gulf war started August 1990

Oh I see, no we wouldn’t be able to vote in the 2024 election as it’s in the past.

No shit, Sherlock. Strangely that was the last manifesto Reform produced. It’s been quite shy about its “policies” since then but it’s unlikely to have magically become economic geniuses in the last year.

Unemployment has increased but not by 20%. The rate when they came to power was around 4.6%, now it's around 5.1%.

You could frame that either as a 0.5% increase (e.g. the rate is now 0.5% higher) or as an ~11% increase.

It's like how an increase from 1% to 2% is either a 1% increase or a 100% increase, depending on how you frame it.

Monthly redundancies are up from 4.3% to 5.3%, so either a 1% increase or a 23% increase, depending on what you mean.

Labour ought to shoulder a significant amount of the blame for the increases- I think the NIC increase is a meaningful driver. That said, if they didn't raise tax by NIC then they'd have to have increased taxes elsewhere (truthfully, that's probably what they should have done - they boxed themselves in with their pre election pledges, leaving them left with a tax that runs contrary to their stated aim to deliver growth). They might have got away with it of the global economy were stronger.

If there’s no open border policies, how can people traverse our borders without paperwork?
This is flat out daft. Its like saying "if murder is illegal, how come there are murders?"

Labour have tightened immigration controls.

On Blasphemy Laws you are citing an old article. The story is that Labour's attempt to introduce non-statory guidance on what is (and is not) Islamophobia might amount to a blasphemy law via the backdoor. However, the working group tasked with looking at this issue seem to have accepted that a definition of "Islamophobia" (if used to guide law enforcement around hate crimes) could impinge on criticism of Islam as a belief system and so appear to have shelved the idea, and are instead working on a definition of "anti-Muslim hate" - e.g. hate speech directed at people, not at the faith itself.

On Decolonise the curriculum, you are citing a 2020 article from a local, labour council in Lewisham as if it were current government policy.

Well they did a press conference and lots of publicity around their economic plans (https://www.tax.org.uk/reform-uk-tax-nov25), I guess now it’s looking like they will form the next Government. You were giving the impression that you were quite well informed in their economic plans as you have some strong opinions about it, which wouldn’t make sense if you are actually ignorant of their plans.

I don’t want Reform or the Tories in charge.
I worry that The Greens will split the left and make this more likely.

I’ve pulled some of Labour’s achievements below for you op:

Economic and Living Standards

1. Minimum Wage & Pay Growth

• Labour raised the National Living Wage, boosting earnings for over 3 million workers and increasing take-home pay for many households. The Labour Party

1. Economy & Cost-of-Living Measures

• The government cites the UK as the fastest-growing G7 economy in early 2025, helping ease inflationary pressures and supporting wage growth. The Labour Party • Measures have been taken to cut energy bills, freeze rail fares, and freeze prescription charges, aimed at lowering essential costs. The Labour Party

1. Interest Rates & Financial Stability

• Through fiscal stability policies, interest rates have been cut several times, lowering mortgage and borrowing costs for households. The Labour Party

Housing

1. Big Boost to Housing Investment

• Labour is investing a record £39 billion in affordable homes and housing infrastructure as part of a push to build 1.5 million homes. The Labour Party

1. Renters’ Rights Law

• The Historic Renters’ Rights Act abolished “no-fault” evictions and strengthened tenant protections, giving renters more security and rights nationwide. The Labour Party

Public Services

1. NHS Investment and Backlog Reductions

• The government has increased funding for the NHS and monitored efforts to reduce waiting lists, which fell to their lowest in two years at one point. Reddit

1. Best Start / Sure Start Expansion

• A £500 million programme to expand family hubs (now called Best Start) aims to provide early childhood support and resources, especially in deprived areas. Wikipedia

Jobs, Skills & Youth Opportunities

1. Apprenticeships & Employment Programmes

• Labour has invested £1.5 billion in apprenticeships and work opportunities for young people, including subsidies for employers and training placements. LabourList

1. Worker Rights Improvements

• The Employment Rights Bill represents the biggest update in decades: banning exploitative zero-hours contracts, increasing statutory sick pay, ending unfair “fire and rehire” tactics, and strengthening dismissal protections. The Labour Party

Climate, Energy & Infrastructure
10. Renewable Energy & Net Zero Commitment
• The government has moved to expand renewable energy — including removing planning barriers for onshore wind and progress in grid connections — and commits to deep emissions cuts. friendsoftheearth.uk
11. Water Sector Reform
• Legislation has strengthened regulators and plans to overhaul water services, with long-term infrastructure strategywork underway. Institution of Civil Engineers (ICE)
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Policy & Governance
12. Border and Security Reforms
• The Rwanda scheme was ended (saving projected costs) and a new Border Security Command was established to prioritise organised-crime enforcement. The Guardian
13. Anti-Corruption Measures
• A new anti-corruption strategy and Domestic Corruption Unit are being funded to tackle financial crime and dirty money. LabourList

Other Notable Deliveries
• A Strategic Defence Review was launched to reassess UK defence priorities. Wikipedia
• Prison capacity increases and probation funding plans aim to modernise the criminal justice system. LabourList

Context & Nuance
It’s worth noting:
• Some achievements are new or still being implemented, so full impacts may take time to materialise.
• Public opinion on government performance is mixed, and there are debates about delivery speed and communication. The Guardian+1
• Not all metrics are positive across the board — for example, issues remain in areas like investment levels and GP waiting times that critics highlight. The Scottish Sun+1

In summary
Labour’s government since July 2024 has focused on raising living standards, strengthening workers’ rights, investing in public services and infrastructure, expanding housing, supporting youth employment, progressing clean energy goals, and stabilising the economy — with several important laws passed and programmes launched. Many initiatives are designed for long-term impact rather than instant results.

Here’s a clear summary of what the UK Labour government has done (or set in motion) to prevent and tackle violence against women and girls (VAWG) since coming to power — based on official announcements and policy developments:

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🎯 1. National Strategy to Halve Violence Against Women and Girls

The government has launched a cross-government strategy aimed at halving violence against women and girls within a decade, treating it as a “national emergency.” This strategy sets out prevention, protection, and justice measures across society. ([The Guardian][1])

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👮‍♀️ 2. Specialist Police and Justice Measures

Specialist police teams for rape and sexual offences are being set up across England and Wales, to improve investigations and support survivors. By 2029, dedicated units are planned in every force. “Domestic Abuse Protection Orders” (DAPOs) that can impose exclusion zones, curfews or electronic tagging for abusers are being rolled out and have already protected over 1,000 victims. ([Sky News][2])

The Crime and Policing Bill includes measures to strengthen the response to VAWG — for example new civil preventative orders and mandatory reporting duties for child sexual abuse. ([UK Parliament][3])

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🆘 3. Better Immediate Response to Abuse

The government has started pilots embedding domestic abuse specialists in 999 emergency call centres so that domestic abuse calls are handled quickly and with expert support. These pilots are part of implementing “Raneem’s Law,” which aims to improve how police respond to domestic violence emergencies. ([GOV.UK][4])

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💬 4. Education and Prevention

Prevention work includes funding education on healthy relationships and consent, especially in schools, as part of efforts to tackle misogyny and harmful behaviour among boys and young men. There are plans to expand how schools and communities promote respect and challenge harmful norms. ([GOV.UK][5])

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📣 5. Public Awareness and Behaviour Change

A national communications campaign* is planned to raise awareness about VAWG issues and shift public attitudes.

• Funding is being provided to understand what works best to prevent violence and to pilot community safety initiatives (e.g., safety reporting tools for public spaces, plus street lighting or design improvements to make women feel safer at night). ([GOV.UK][5])

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🧠 6. Support Services for Victims

The strategy includes significant investment in victims’ support, including:

A major expansion of the Victims Support Fund* (hundreds of millions invested to improve services).

• Funding for safe accommodation and specialist helplines for survivors of domestic abuse. New NHS referral services* and up to £50 million for therapeutic support for child victims of sexual abuse. ([UK Parliament][6])

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📱 7. Action Against Online Abuse

The government’s approach includes measures to tackle online harm that disproportionately affects women and girls — such as stronger regulation under the Online Safety Act and moves to address issues like non-consensual image sharing (“cyberflashing”). ([Reddit][7])

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📜 8. Law and Policy Commitments

Labour’s 2024 manifesto and subsequent policy plans included pledges to:

• Fast-track rape cases through the courts using specialist courts.
• Make “spiking” a specific criminal offence.
• Strengthen protections against stalking.
• Place specialist domestic abuse advocates in police forces. ([House of Commons Library][8])

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📌 What Supporters and Campaigners Say

Campaigners have welcomed the strategy’s recognition of VAWG as a serious priority, especially the focus on prevention, specialist policing units, and awareness campaigns — but many also say more funding and faster implementation are still needed for front-line services. ([The Guardian][1])

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🧠 Summary

Since coming to power, the Labour government has taken a multi-layered approach to preventing and responding to violence against women and girls, including:

A landmark government strategy* with long-term targets.

• Specialist policing and protective legal tools.
• Better emergency response systems.
• Education and prevention work.
• Public awareness campaigns.
• Boosted support services for survivors.
• Online safety measures.

Many of these measures are ongoing and will be phased in over several years, but they represent significant policy focus and resource commitment compared with past approaches. ([GOV.UK][5])

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If you’d like, I can break down what’s already been implemented vs what’s planned for the future — or give a concise rundown of criticisms of the approach as well.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/dec/18/uk-government-strategy-to-protect-women-and-girls-from-violence-seriously-underfunded?utm_source=chatgpt.com "UK government strategy to protect women and girls from violence ‘seriously underfunded’ | Violence against women and girls | The Guardian"
[2]: https://news.sky.com/story/specialist-teams-and-online-investigators-deployed-across-england-and-wales-to-tackle-national-emergency-of-violence-against-women-and-girls-13483076?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Specialist teams and online investigators deployed across England and Wales to tackle 'national emergency' of violence against women and girls | UK News | Sky News"
[3]: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5901/cmpublic/CrimePolicing/memo/CPB08.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Crime and Policing Bill (27th March 2025)"
[4]: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-measures-set-out-to-combat-violence-against-women-and-girls?utm_source=chatgpt.com "New measures set out to combat violence against women and girls - GOV.UK"
[5]: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tackling-violence-against-women-and-girls-strategy/tackling-violence-against-women-and-girls-strategy?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Tackling violence against women and girls strategy (accessible version) - GOV.UK"
[6]: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5901/cmselect/cmhaff/1352/report.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Tackling violence against women and girls: Funding"
[7]: https://www.reddit.com//r/GoodNewsUK/comments/1nzeqta?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Government strengthens tech regulation to tackle cyberflashing | End Violence Against Women"
[8]: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2024-0183/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Tackling violence against women and girls - House of Commons Library"

I can hardly be ignorant of their current plans if they haven’t actually got any. The only indication anyone has is the manifesto produced for the last election which is indicative of their economic strength. It’s not looking as if they’ll form the next government - we’re still 3.5 years out from the next election and anything could happen in that time. The Tories were on 41% in June 2021 and look how that turned out.

Having said all that - I do wish they’d sack whoever’s in charge of comms! It’s just not chiming unfortunately.

The comms has got better since Tim Allen’s been back.

I had unemployment at 3.8% when Labour took over and now 4.6% so 20% increase. Happy to take your figures though, so unemployment up 11%. I don’t understand this ‘how you frame it’ though, it is just basic maths.

The average monthly redundancies 2024 was 38000 and was 52000 in 2025, that’s just over a 32% increase in a year. Again I’m not sure about how you frame it, frankly I would quite like a 0.5% raise using your Labour logic if my pay actually goes up 32%.

I don’t see the analogy with murder, if you can enter UK border with no documentation or permission then the border isn’t closed.

You can disagree on the terminology of the blasphemy laws that they keep trying to push, but it’s clear what it is in reality.

Again we can disagree with the terminology of decolonise the curriculum, but we both know where they’re pushing. It seems rather disingenuous to deny this, it just shows contempt for the electorate. Heres a much more recent link analysis of what Labour are attempting https://www.craig-smith.uk/news/labours-curriculum-agenda-education-or-indoctrination

A Conservative analysis. Yes, obviously totally objective and highly credible. 🙄

“I don’t see the analogy with murder, if you can enter UK border with no documentation or permission then the border isn’t closed.”

How on earth do you “close” 11,000 miles of coastline ?

I’ve just sent a link explaining their economic and tax plans that you were ignorant of. If you weren’t ignorant of them then why were you referencing plans that are no longer relevant?

It is looking like they’ll form the next Government according to every recent poll and published betting odds. It’s all I can really go off.

No idea, why would you have to?

Just the link you don’t like? Would you be in support of decolonisation of the curriculum as laid out in the link? What are your thoughts on the 11% increase in unemployment and 32% increases in redundancies?

Yes. I hate them, but we need to keep Reform out.

Polls 3.5 years ahead of a general election are as indicative of what will happen as a 3.5 years ahead weather forecast. I used Reform’s manifesto on which they attempted to get elected to illustrate their economic incompetence. I’m getting rather tired of going round this loop, it’s like Groundhog Day.

Incidentally your link’s Page not found.

Because you claim it’s “open” and you claim that you can “cross the UK border” without “documentation or permission”.

So not all of our boundaries are ports with immigration facilities, yet you can approach the border by sea in a small boat wherever you like. How do you propose to stop that ?

The border isn’t “open”.

And not only that, Reform tends to win in those sad, low agency places where educational achievement is low, and there are actually very few immigrants.

Ok, but they’re the only impartial indicators we have to go off.

As I say, that’s almost 2 years out of date. Now you are more clued up and you have some actual information to base your opinion on, do you still believe the economic plans are delusional?