to think no one can define living as a woman

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if you are a biological man.

Or indeed define living as a man if they are a biological woman.

What is the definition, how do you define a person ‘living" as the opposite sex?

AIBU to think that nobody is going to be able to define this unless they resort to regressive stereotypes.

YABU - I can define this for you without using regressive stereotypes.
YANBU - You are right, you can’t define this without using regressive stereotypes.

Yes.

And whoever introduced that into the legal process never once thought about how misogynist this process was to female people.

Does anyone follow daviana1and_only on Instagram? I really like him! He makes sense with the things he says about men wanting to be in the form of women. No more to say, just have a listen.

Or even just changing their documents because they say they feel they are disabled. No proof needed

The problem is the "living as a woman" phrase is wrong and offensive and is not needed for either cross sex hormones or any kind of surgery, its only needed for a GRC and quite frankly the GRA needs to be repealed, it is not fit for purpose, goes way beyond what was required by Goodwin and the last Labour government which created it were warned about the problems it would cause for women but they chose to steam ahead regardless, when they could have ignored Goodwin or they could have done the bare minimum and just added a changeable gender marker alongside the unchangeable sex marker on documents.
The mear concept that a man can live as a woman is dangerous and has led to the rape and sexual harassment of far too many women (1 is too many imho) and the removal of women's rights and the belief that men can change sex hence they now claim not only to be women but female.
Under the old medical system children were given watchful waiting, ie talking therapy where the root causes of their body dismorphia (as it was recognised then) was found and treated. For most it was mearly the discomfort of puberty that resolved itself by going through puberty. For the rest of us it was due to trauma, abuse same sex attraction and or asd, this is still true now, we were given mental health help to deal with our trauma and/or come to terms with our asd and/or sexuality, this no longer happens these children are given affirmation therapy where everyone confirms their delusions and tell them that they can change sex, they are given powerful drugs that permanently prevents puberty and the brain development that normally occurs during puberty thus locking in the body dismorphia and causing a host of life long medical problems.

Adults used to have to go through years of therapy before they were given any cross sex hormones or surgery and it was made absolutely clear that they weren't changing sex but were mearly making cosmetic changes to the appearance of their body. This no longer happens, they are not required to have any therapy and are told that they are changing sex!
The lack of appropriate therapy and the lies about changing sex are the reason that we now have many men claiming that they are real women, that they are biological women and that they are female!
You seem to think that this is only a fringe belief but its not they are all told its true by Dr's, teacher and groups like stonewall and mermaids, we've even had a biologically and legally male Dr take the stand and claim to be a biological woman and female because he identifies as 1.
Men can never be a woman nor can they live as one, ther phrase living as a woman needs to go its offensive and demeans wome but most of all it harms us.

How did men "live as women" in the Georgian era when make-up, heels and fancy clothes were male coded?

Or maybe the NHS could acknowledge that there are two exes, determined at conception and that it is impossible to change which one you are. They could give therapy to anyone who believes themselves to be the 'wrong' sex rather than hormones and surgery.

Surely on a discussion board you don’t expect everyone to agree? That would make for pretty pointless “discussion”.

"Not this crap again."

isn't a discussion is it @MrsSkylerWhite

That is exactly what happens now no therapy is required for anyone they just get given the drugs and surgery hence the massively high and ever increasing regret rates (usually takes about a decade to kick in) high suicide rates amongst post surgical transitioning and why gender clinics dont do follow up.
Things have changed massively since the 90s and not for the better. This is a massive medical scandal thats going to make labotomies and thalidimide (sp) scandals look like a minor blip. 1/3 of all gids patients are autistic when less than 5% of the population are autistic and they are being sterilised with drugs and surgeries, it needs to stop

No they don't and haven't for over a decade

I do an outdoors based hobby. Because it involves being outside in all weathers everyone tends to be dressed in a practical way for physical activity in the wet/hot/cold. The last time I did the hobby there were about 250 people present. I saw a grand total of 2 people in a dress, a three year old in a Disney princess number and a TiM. Approximately 100 women and not a single one in a dress.

No one has to read a thread anyway.

It’s a valid question. Why on earth does living as a woman hold any sort of meaning.

I rarely see the living as a man take, what does that involve?

Let’s all remember Alex Drummond who famously said he was broadening the bandwidth of what it was to be a woman. Because he thought tinkering with his car in the afternoon then wearing a skirt and make up that night was not something any female person had done.

Needless to say, I had done all that as a 15 year old. But apparently, Alex Drummond, a ‘woman’ with a beard couldn’t understand girls and women had been doing this for decades before he modelled that behaviour.

Here is Magdalen’s response

I believe this man used to go into schools and teach children this.

Look feminine?
look the way society expects? Boobs and short arms and no dick?

It quite the opposite of a discussion.
It is attempting to stop discussion based on that person’s need to have a board curated to their personal preferences and deciding that the topic is not what they want on their board.

There would have to be a line in there about being indoctrinated to believe the needs and wants of everyone else come before yours. For example if other people were made to feel unsafe due to your wants you would immediately swallow them down. That’s how I know who grew up as a female.

I hoped the next generation of women wouldn’t have this experience.

This sums up the absurdity of the whole ideology.

A man telling women he's a woman and therefore women can fix cars and be lesbians. It's not even funny though because he has been taken seriously by institutions.

I honestly think these phrases have been bandied about for so long and we have told we are bigots and Nazi's if we question anything. Shut the conversation down, even on this thread.

"Living as a women"
"Trans women ARE Women"
"Trans women are the most vulnerable group"
"identify as the opposite sex"
"Assigned at birth"

None of these sentences are true or even make sense if you actual stop and think.

Do you think bio women who wear dresses, heels and make up are expressing regressive gender stereotypes? Or a fetish?

Well the fetish is about finding yourself turned on by dressing up as the oppressed/opposite sex. So, no I don't think women in dresses and heels dress like this for fetish reasons. because they are the oppressed sex.

Which brings me onto the your second point, and yes I do believe women wearing heels and short skirts do so because of society and the expectations that women have to groom themselves for male sexual wants.

"None of these sentences are true or even make sense if you actual stop and think."

They are all philosophical belief statements.

The question then leads to ask 'why has this particular philosophical belief been given so much power that it supercedes established science and language and is supported by law and government organisations to the degree that it has been'?

I said dresses, not short skirts.

so you think women shouldn’t wear dresses or heels either?

I do think they’re expressing stereotypes yes, of course they are. As is their choice. I express some of those stereotypes myself. I have long hair for example. This is purely because it’s much easier to tie it back all the time rather than having to style it. Plus I don’t like spending money on haircuts. It’s long for practical reasons, not because I want to show that I’m ‘living as a woman’.

I don’t wear jewellery or make up or heels because they don’t interest me. I have no objection to other people (male or female) wearing those things if they like them. I DO object to those things being seen as symbolic of ‘living as a woman’.

I do indeed think heels are worn for the male gaze and are not an intrinsic choice but a societal expectation.

I think dresses and heels are expected as formal wear for women. No, women don't have to wear heels but it is expected in certain situations.

Unfortunately we are oppressed as a sex class and this is why it's hugely important we have a word that defines us because that definition also legally protects us.

Yes @SoftBalletShoes look at these beautiful feminine laydees…

Get a grip and stop touting gender stereotypes and nonsense.