to think no one can define living as a woman

[funtimess]

if you are a biological man.

Or indeed define living as a man if they are a biological woman.

What is the definition, how do you define a person ‘living" as the opposite sex?

AIBU to think that nobody is going to be able to define this unless they resort to regressive stereotypes.

YABU - I can define this for you without using regressive stereotypes.
YANBU - You are right, you can’t define this without using regressive stereotypes.

Changing your name doesn't prove anything, either.

Some names are traditionally considered male, until they aren't, like James or Meredith or Billy. Or they can be traditionally male in one culture and female in another, like Marian.

I've never said otherwise.

How about a definition which isn’t quite risible though?
By that criterion no one would be able to say whether eg a Dr Hilary Cass was ‘living as a man’ or ‘living as a woman’.

I'd describe it as trivial rather than risible. For Dame Hilary to be 'living as' she'd have to change all her paperwork (to Sir Hilary?). And for a GRC she'd also need medical evidence of GD, and to sign a declaration.

Dressing up and having medical interventions doesn't even come into it, although I daresay it might help with the GD diagnosis.

I honestly can’t think of anything else where legal documents can be falsified.

Not this crap again.

And here you are.

For me living “as a woman” = existing while female. You’re still living as a woman if you prefer mecanno to makeup, and a man is no less of a man if he prefers high heels to hobnail boots.

unless they resort to regressive stereotypes

And it’s never the stereotypes like: working a full time job plus doing 80% share of raising kids, running a house and caring for multiple elderly relatives is it.

Nice of you to assume everyone celebrates Christmas. 🙄

With trans it's always them playing dress up in stereotypical female clothes such as dresses, heels, tights, make up (which to me seems more of a fetish than anything). I don't think they'd want the parts where women suffer ovulation pain, period pain or have the feeling your soaking through a pad in a meeting but have to act normal.

How many women are there on Planet Earth? Four billion, give or take a few?

Ergo there are four billion ways of ”living as a woman” because each of the four billion female inhabitants of Planet Earth does this every day of her life. HTH.

For me this week it meant waking up on Christmas morning and realising my period had arrived. Not a massive issue other than being away for 2 days ober Christmas so worrying about flooding/leaks in other people's houses.

Anyone can “live as a woman” but only women can “be” a woman.

In this context, I see it meaning living similar to how a woman lives.
Like how sociologists will decide to live as a poor person and then write about poverty, or get themselves committed to a mental hospital to study what it is like to live as a mentally ill patient, or go to a commune that has you live as a Victorian would. Or decide to only use a wheelchair for a year to live as if you were disabled.

You can’t be what you’re not. Living as someone else to get a feel is the equivalent of walking a mile in their shoes. It’s gives you a taste of it, but you have the privilege to stop anytime you want and go back to your old life, and you bring with you the privilege of knowing this is a choice you got to make. There should be more humility that no matter how real you make it, you can never ever be what you are imitating.

It's relentless. Like an obsession on here.

It means stop asking the questions that expose the entire charade for what it is.

If posters keep asking this question, it's because they never get an answer that makes sense.

Would you like to propose a coherent answer?

Anyone?

Yeah the language is weird. You're not living 'as' one you're pretending to be one. But I guess that's what it boils down to.

So a trans person trying to pass themselves off visually as the opposite sex, ask you call them by opposite pronouns, use name more traditionally of the other sex. I guess that's just 'being a trans person' isn't it? Though maybe it's to distuguish from the ones who don't even try to pass and just look the same, hairy Dave the hod carrier. But then why couldn't a hairy hod carrier be female?

So yeah I get your point it's bizarre.

🙄

I only know what it’s like to live as me. I don’t think I do anything particularly ‘woman-like’. Do these blokes think we all sit counting our handbags or playing with make-up or something??
I don’t even wear make up and I don’t have a handbag 😂Nothing I do in the day defines me as a woman… apart from the fact I sit on the loo to pee and I wear a sports bra.

The trampling of women’s rights to sex based spaces and sports (which is ultimately what this ideology boils down to) is important to a lot of women. Shocking I know. This site is predominantly made up of women.

Why is scrolling on/ignoring threads that aren’t of interest/boring such a difficult concept for some?

I think it would require a man to be able to 100% convince every single person he met that he was a woman in order to get even near to the social experience of what it means to be treated as a woman. Because dressing as a woman and assuming a female name is only going to offer him the experience of a man who people are pretending is a woman.
And even if every person did treat him as a woman, he's still got all that male socialisation in his past that will impact how he interacts with the world.
And that's before we get started on the biological stuff.
So basically, 'living as a woman' can never be a thing for a man.

Living as a woman to me means wearing feminine clothes, makeup, jewellery, and having hair longer than a short back and sides. Doesn’t have to be skirts, heels, and dresses, could be jeans and a nice top. I know this is a deeply unpopular view on here, but to pretend there is no difference in the way most men and women present themselves is just daft. And the fact that there are many women who never wear makeup and live in tracksuits does not make feminine dressing and presentation less real or less common.

It is very obvious what living as a woman means, and we can acknowledge that without meaning that all women SHOULD be feminine. After all, it’s not men buying all the skirts, heels, dresses, and products that keep the fashion and beauty industries afloat, is it???

By why isn't it an obsession for you too @BoxesBoxesEverywhere ?

but doesn't that just mean he’s a man wearing make up and jewellery. how is that living as a woman?