Why is Holly Ramsay covered with a tablecloth?

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Oh the arrogance of I’ve got TO KEEP MY DRESS from hoi polloi

And how many sacrifices did the he make? How much have they benefited by virtue of him being their son?

That they chose to make sacrifices for him does not entitle them to control him in perpetuity. It does not make him forever indebted to them, and nor does it oblige him to accept anything and everything they do to, or demand of, him.

Caroline Peaty didn’t get her way, so she’s deliberately chosen, repeatedly, to make a public spectacle of herself to overshadow and spoil the wedding of the son she claims to love and want a relationship with.

Def that’s the best.

Thing is we can’t know the truth of it all. Airing all the dirty laundry def unwise. Caroline apparently was going to show up anyway & stare at couple but was persuaded otherwise.

Again none of that changes how their words come across when they are selling him out to the press.

Their words make it all about money.

Other parents of famous sports people haven’t been selling stories the second it doesn’t go their way.

It’s the families behaviour getting them judged.

The only decent families members are silent, the sister and possibly the dad. Though he refused to attend because his standing by his wife he hasn’t been in the press or mentioned to be texting the now wife, mother in law, going upto the father in law or making any types of demands.

Just the mum, aunty/s and brother. Causing issues and mentioning how they are poor and can’t afford this or that and fame and fortunes.

Who said that the pictures were sold to Hello?
They only have the same images as everyone else.

We all just guessed. Looks more like Netflix has the exclusive however part of Gordon’s documentary.

Agree & giving that competency - that’s the gift. It’s a balance re: ‘pushing’. I have seen early ‘hothousing’ instil positive qualities esp iin an environment where it’s a cultural norm.

AP apparently said he’d never let his children swim so early/only if they showed early interest etc, you could argue he’d not have been so successful had this not been the case.

We don’t and can’t know the specific details of the relationship between her and her son, no. We do however know how she’s choosing to behave now.

Specifically choosing to make notable events in his life about her, giving interviews to the tabloids that she knows full well will achieve the exact opposite of what she claims to want, playing the victim, pulling weird publicity stunts, and at the very least approving the leaking of things like that batshit text message from the aunt, are all red flags when it comes to her character.

In fairness his mum is not selling her story. The DM make it clear she has not been paid. I suspect she has asked for that line to be made clear. Unless they’re lying which I doubt, maybe I’m naive.

Haven’t they said she hasn’t been paid.

Doesn’t mean someone else close to her hasn’t just that she personally hasn’t. It’s a coy way to do things and very much somethings she’s asked them to write.

I now realise Victoria Beckham dressed the wedding party. 😬

We don't know that she doesn't already know why. We don't know what she was like as a mother when he was growing up. At least I don't; I don't know these people personally.

If it really was just about her having a moan to her sister about not being invited to the hen & her sister went to the papers I would have thought that that could have been sorted out.

I'd be more annoyed with my aunt for blabbing.

Seems to run deeper than that though & some of his family aren't coming across well.

The Ramsays might be rich but they are hardly so elite it might be hard to find any common ground at all I would have thought.

Apparently David Beckham had a falling out with his Dad, Ted, and they weren't on speaking terms for ages. He never went to the press and told his side, he kept silent and lo and behold he was at his 50th birthday celebrations and his knighthood ceremony (I feel quite sad that I know this lol).

Peaty's Mum will regret this. The tabloids are scum, preying on her 'grief' but she isn't helping herself.

An unnecessarily horrible comment to make about a woman on her wedding day. Just let her wear what she wants. If you don’t care what her dress looks like, then don’t care about it (and that includes starting a thread about it). If you don’t like that she was keeping it exclusive for Hello, then don’t go and buy Hello.

Exactly the worst thing you can do to anyone who the press want a story on is sell one.

Thats unforgivable for most it’s selling secrets to the world. Is much why many of the public won’t forgive Prince Harry for his book and Netflix about the royal family. Those family members did not agree to their secrets being sold.

Once you’ve sold one you cannot be trusted and as such you are out of the circle.

Agreed, it’s got to be child-centred and child-driven. It’s telling that he doesn’t support serious/competitive swimming unilaterally from early childhood - indicating it wasn’t a wholly positive experience for him. You’re right tho it’s possible he might not have been so successful without it.

You think it is a child’s responsibility to ‘speak up’ when they’re being mistreated by their parents? I didn’t realise the way my parents behaved wasn’t ‘normal’ until I was well into adulthood.

I loved swimming and my parents facilitated it. However, then and now, they use that as a justification for other unacceptable behaviour. They will still say ‘We did so much for you’ any time that I disagree with them.

The same people who think this is attention seeking probably would say the same thing if she had not worn the cloak, that she was seeking attention by flashing her expensive dress around. They can't win so they may as well just live their lives how they choose.

He actually wasn't very young - slightly later than many sports people, at 14. A coach spotted him, and saw his potential. He has an exceptional cardio vascular system and is hyper mobile. He started to take it seriously when he was 17 and made amazing progress.

So just motivated by sheer spite then, rather than by financial gain. I’m not sure ‘I don’t need to get paid to shit all over my son in the run up to and on his wedding day, I’ll do it for free!’ makes her look any better tbh.

Regarding his mum, I think speaking out so publicly about it is unforgivable, to be honest. Whether she had any say in the aunt speaking out so publicly or not I don’t know, but had the aunt not posted about the hen do we would likely be none the wiser and I wonder whether it would have blown up the way it has leading to their eventual dis-invite.

I understand AP’s mum was disappointed not to be invited to the hen do. However - I can only think of a handful of hen dos where the future MIL was actually invited? I didn’t invite my mum or my MIL and it was totally fine with both of them. Do draw so much public negative attention to it though is pretty unforgivable in my books. Any time AP thinks about his wedding or it gets mentioned in any press the controversy surrounding his family will also likely be brought up. There’s no undoing it or going back from it now and I suspect the only ones who will really suffer are his family - and it will be self inflicted.

My son did - he was at university in a similar tourist city. He mentioned that he avoids the city centre on Saturdays especially when the Christmas markets are on.

Right.

How dramatic of him.