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Kicked out my DM on christmas day

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Guttedandsosad · 25/12/2025 20:31

DH and I hosted my DM this Christmas so she wasn't by herself. We haven't had the greatest relationship as she has always been a negative, rude and entitled person but she's getting older now and I'm the only person she has.

However, she also has a mild learning disability and is a (currently sober) alcoholic so she is both unpleasant and vulnerable at the same time. I am the parent and she is like a fourth child.

I didn't want her to be alone at Christmas so invited her to spend it with us. We have her stay from time to time as truth be told I feel responsible for her, rightly or wrongly.

I have three DC. My eldest (8) is auDHD / PDA. I also have a 6yo DD and a 4yo DS.

She was supposed to come over on Christmas eve but asked to come on Monday instead. I agreed but in hindsight should have said no as the longer we spend with her the rattier her mood becomes.

So she has been here since Monday and things have been ok as a whole but I've had to ask her a few times not to moan/complain/bitch about things/people so much. It's Christmas and we want a nice atmosphere for our DC. She is such a profoundly negative person she doesn't seem able to control it - there is just a constant stream of negativity. I spend all of my time in her company trying to change the conversation.

DS (8 - auDHD / PDA) is on medication for his ADHD, when that wears off at the end of the day he can become easily disregulated. If anybody shouts around him it'll trigger a meltdown, especially when he's in that mode. We don't shout and swear around our DC, ever.

DS couldn't find a particular present he'd misplaced today so I was helping him look. He was visibly stressed about it and my DM got annoyed by it and saw that as her cue to start moaning.

I asked her to please stop because it's going to make him worse.

I later found out from DH that after I turned back to DS at this point she was gesticulating sticking her middle fingers up at me behind my back.

Whilst I'm helping DS, DM asks my 6yo DD if she has ever played a particular board game before. DD was absorbed in her colouring at the time and wasn't fully paying attention. DM snaps at her and says that she's rude.

I turn to DM and ask why she's saying that. She, getting irate, says DD only made 'a noise' in response when she asked her a question.

She's raising her voice now as she doesn't like people questioning her behaviour. DS is getting more wound up so I tell her to leave the room.

I'm baffled at this point.

With that she gets up and storms out the room shouting and swearing as she goes, slams the door.

DS lost it, tried to break property and attacked me. He bit me on the breast, badly. I'm not here to defend his behaviour and there has been consequences for it, but she caused it where it could have been avoided.

So she goes outside for a cigarette and comes back in, still in a foul mood, moaning. I take her into the back room and show her what he'd done to me, telling her she knows better than to raise her voice and swear around DS.

She gives not one shit that I'd been hurt, only proclaiming it isn't her fault. I remind what had lead to it - the shouting and swearing - because apparently I need to reiterate that it isn't acceptable to shout and swear in somebodies home.

Off she goes again, full DARVO this time about how everybody else is in the wrong (don't get me wrong - DS is for biting - but DD hadn't done anything wrong at all)

DD who had come back downstairs hears her ranting about how she'd been rude to her, so she goes to her room sad thinking she has spoiled Christmas.

I told DM she has to leave and that I'll book her a taxi. 4yo DS comes into the room and said "nanna you said a bad word" to which she snaps at him saying "shut up you're only 4"

I take DS(4) in to DH, book DM a taxi and walked her out when it arrived shortly after.

She leaves in the taxi and calls me when she gets home. She goes off on a tirade about how if I want nothing to do with her thats fine but she "can't take" this from us and goes on about how 4yo DS (who had nothing to do with any of it) is also rude and badly behaved (for pointing out her bad behaviour)

After her rant she started crying and hung up without giving me the opportunity to respond to any of it.

I reassured DD that she has done nothing wrong and that DM's behaviour was completely unacceptable.

DM will not be coming back into this house anytime soon.

I am just so, so sad.

DH and I made such an effort to make sure everybody had a nice Christmas. I'm sitting in the bedroom fighting back tears and bleeding whilst he has taken over trying to settle DS (who is still massively disregulated over an hour later)

Was I unreasonable to kick her out on Christmas evening and how would you have handled this? I welcome any and all POV's and to be told i could have dealt with things better.

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ThatBlackCat · 26/12/2025 00:20

I'd go NC with her, I really would. You don't owe her anything. You don't owe her for being born, you didn't ask to be born.

On a separate point, why was she there since Monday? You ordered a taxi for her so it seems like she lives close by. Why couldn't she have got a taxi to your house Christmas morning and left Christmas afternoon? I don't understand the need people in the UK have to stay over for a minimum of one week if they live further than 30 minutes drive away. It's batshit crazy!

Ruby1985 · 26/12/2025 00:25

Hallywally · 26/12/2025 00:03

What a nasty post to someone who is suffering a lot and has tried her very best to look after and be a good daughter.

If you would have read properly you would know that she is talking about her mother inlaw. Not her mum. This is an open forum, and I am entitled to say what I want. Take it as you please. Merry Christmas 🎅

Ruby1985 · 26/12/2025 00:28

Hallywally · 26/12/2025 00:03

What a nasty post to someone who is suffering a lot and has tried her very best to look after and be a good daughter.

I also wasn’t replying to the OP, again you would have noticed that if you were able to read and understand.

TheEverlastingPorridge · 26/12/2025 00:30

Why was it just you dealing with the whole thing?

Maybe instead of watching your M sticking fingers up behind your back (that is pathetic and nothing to do with having a LD, she is just childish) your H could have helped by taking DS and sorting out the lost toy

TheEverlastingPorridge · 26/12/2025 00:33

Ruby1985 · 26/12/2025 00:25

If you would have read properly you would know that she is talking about her mother inlaw. Not her mum. This is an open forum, and I am entitled to say what I want. Take it as you please. Merry Christmas 🎅

OP is talking about her mum, not mother in law

SmellyBumMum · 26/12/2025 00:42

Your son assaulting you is not his or your mum’s fault. Him biting you is unacceptable whatever the circumstances. You need to teach him this and not blame anyone else. Sorry this happened on Christmas Day though.

Llamallamafruitpyjama · 26/12/2025 00:42

Slowdownyouredoingfine · 25/12/2025 22:05

Your mum was a dick but since when was adhd a valid reason apparently for biting your parent to the point of bleeding?!

This. Very concerning he bit you so badly OP.

JFDIYOLO · 26/12/2025 00:45

Neurodivergence is inherited and it's clearly very present in your family. Are you also affected yourself?

Whether you are or not, you're clamped into a neurodivergence vice, and it's squeezing you from both sides. If you want to maintain a relationship with your mother it might be best to keep them separated, because you're overwhelmed by it all at once.

The bite - firstly, please get it checked. Human bites can be very nasty especially as it's made you bleed.

The biting behaviour - I'm not sure how old he is, but this mustn't be tolerated. As he gets bigger and stronger he could become a threat, to your younger child especially, to strangers and their children. Nothing excuses what he chose to do. Do you have specialist support there?

OkWinifred · 26/12/2025 00:55

Yanbu
I think your mother’s behaviour was frankly disgusting.
She’s the catalyst in this, so if you do see her in the future, you really need to keep it to a limited time-span or just see her by yourself.
I hope you’re ok.
You tried to do the best for her and it’s completely back figured on you 💐

Daygloboo · 26/12/2025 01:14

Guttedandsosad · 25/12/2025 20:47

Her LD definitely does influence her behaviour, that's why I struggle with such cognitive dissonance when it comes to her, who she is and my relationship with her.

Mayve just see her one on one and leave the famoly out of it in future.

LemaxObsessive · 26/12/2025 01:14

Your son’s behaviour was the worst out of all of this and yes, I do have a child with ASD. There’s limits and he went way beyond it. Your DM was also badly out of line but your DS caused what happened today not your DM

FlockOfSausages · 26/12/2025 01:20

Where is your husband in this story?

It all sounds very upsetting but I don’t think it’s fair to blame your mum for your son biting you. I would be very wary of creating a narrative for him that says other people are responsible for his behaviour.

Wetoldyousaurus · 26/12/2025 01:42

It’s hard for most people to ‘be good’ for long. Being a guest in someone’s house is often difficult and requires a lot of emotional intelligence, even at the best of times. So for anyone with issues, like your mum, it’s just not a good idea. Short visits, with pre arranged and agreed time limits are best. No overnights. Structure is key.

Pre planned activities that encourage appropriate interactions can be useful to bring children and elderly people together. E.g - sit your mother down to colour in something with DD6 together - a ‘competition’ with a prize maybe, or something one could colour from the bottom and one from the top? Everything should have a clear time limit and make the schedule clear for everyone from the start. Keep your mother busy. Bored people start bitching.

PattyBladelll · 26/12/2025 02:11

TheEverlastingPorridge · 26/12/2025 00:33

OP is talking about her mum, not mother in law

That poster wasn’t even replying to OP, they’d quoted and replied to someone else’s post

StartingToLoseMyRag · 26/12/2025 02:15

Guttedandsosad · 25/12/2025 20:31

DH and I hosted my DM this Christmas so she wasn't by herself. We haven't had the greatest relationship as she has always been a negative, rude and entitled person but she's getting older now and I'm the only person she has.

However, she also has a mild learning disability and is a (currently sober) alcoholic so she is both unpleasant and vulnerable at the same time. I am the parent and she is like a fourth child.

I didn't want her to be alone at Christmas so invited her to spend it with us. We have her stay from time to time as truth be told I feel responsible for her, rightly or wrongly.

I have three DC. My eldest (8) is auDHD / PDA. I also have a 6yo DD and a 4yo DS.

She was supposed to come over on Christmas eve but asked to come on Monday instead. I agreed but in hindsight should have said no as the longer we spend with her the rattier her mood becomes.

So she has been here since Monday and things have been ok as a whole but I've had to ask her a few times not to moan/complain/bitch about things/people so much. It's Christmas and we want a nice atmosphere for our DC. She is such a profoundly negative person she doesn't seem able to control it - there is just a constant stream of negativity. I spend all of my time in her company trying to change the conversation.

DS (8 - auDHD / PDA) is on medication for his ADHD, when that wears off at the end of the day he can become easily disregulated. If anybody shouts around him it'll trigger a meltdown, especially when he's in that mode. We don't shout and swear around our DC, ever.

DS couldn't find a particular present he'd misplaced today so I was helping him look. He was visibly stressed about it and my DM got annoyed by it and saw that as her cue to start moaning.

I asked her to please stop because it's going to make him worse.

I later found out from DH that after I turned back to DS at this point she was gesticulating sticking her middle fingers up at me behind my back.

Whilst I'm helping DS, DM asks my 6yo DD if she has ever played a particular board game before. DD was absorbed in her colouring at the time and wasn't fully paying attention. DM snaps at her and says that she's rude.

I turn to DM and ask why she's saying that. She, getting irate, says DD only made 'a noise' in response when she asked her a question.

She's raising her voice now as she doesn't like people questioning her behaviour. DS is getting more wound up so I tell her to leave the room.

I'm baffled at this point.

With that she gets up and storms out the room shouting and swearing as she goes, slams the door.

DS lost it, tried to break property and attacked me. He bit me on the breast, badly. I'm not here to defend his behaviour and there has been consequences for it, but she caused it where it could have been avoided.

So she goes outside for a cigarette and comes back in, still in a foul mood, moaning. I take her into the back room and show her what he'd done to me, telling her she knows better than to raise her voice and swear around DS.

She gives not one shit that I'd been hurt, only proclaiming it isn't her fault. I remind what had lead to it - the shouting and swearing - because apparently I need to reiterate that it isn't acceptable to shout and swear in somebodies home.

Off she goes again, full DARVO this time about how everybody else is in the wrong (don't get me wrong - DS is for biting - but DD hadn't done anything wrong at all)

DD who had come back downstairs hears her ranting about how she'd been rude to her, so she goes to her room sad thinking she has spoiled Christmas.

I told DM she has to leave and that I'll book her a taxi. 4yo DS comes into the room and said "nanna you said a bad word" to which she snaps at him saying "shut up you're only 4"

I take DS(4) in to DH, book DM a taxi and walked her out when it arrived shortly after.

She leaves in the taxi and calls me when she gets home. She goes off on a tirade about how if I want nothing to do with her thats fine but she "can't take" this from us and goes on about how 4yo DS (who had nothing to do with any of it) is also rude and badly behaved (for pointing out her bad behaviour)

After her rant she started crying and hung up without giving me the opportunity to respond to any of it.

I reassured DD that she has done nothing wrong and that DM's behaviour was completely unacceptable.

DM will not be coming back into this house anytime soon.

I am just so, so sad.

DH and I made such an effort to make sure everybody had a nice Christmas. I'm sitting in the bedroom fighting back tears and bleeding whilst he has taken over trying to settle DS (who is still massively disregulated over an hour later)

Was I unreasonable to kick her out on Christmas evening and how would you have handled this? I welcome any and all POV's and to be told i could have dealt with things better.

She didn’t need to involve herself when you were helping your DC look for his toy, no matter how long it took. My guess is, that you weren’t available for her needs when doing this, and she didn’t like it one bit!

BeeHive909 · 26/12/2025 03:54

All of you being ND and mixing. Is clearly a bad idea. I wouldn’t cut your mum off but I wouldn’t invite her for Christmas again. But the blame is not on her for you son biting you. What steps are you taking to prevent this happening because it is unacceptable and when he goes to school etc if he does this to another pupil or teacher there would be hell to pay.

Ebok1990 · 26/12/2025 04:02

You are a passive parent. You have one child who ignores people and one child that attacks you and bites. I feel sorry for her being in this atmosphere. She's probably frustrated that you don't see things from her perspective.

jeremyclarksonsthirdnipple · 26/12/2025 04:44

Sorry OP ..you caused this. You knew what a difficult ,toxic relationship you have to manage with her and yet for your own reasons you decided it was ok to facilitate it (knowing how it would probably end) and extend the visit. You need to work on yourself I would suggest as your actions invited this powder keg relationship into your own home at the detriment of your children. All this upset could and should have been avoided.Sorry..

WiddlinDiddlin · 26/12/2025 04:45

Don't set yourself up for failure like this again.

Stop thinking she'll be reasonable, better, listen to you - she won't, you already know this.

Small doses, limited time frames, easy 'exit strategies' for every interaction. So see her at hers where you can leave the instant you need to. If she comes to yours its for low-stress visits not the high emotional flash point stuff like Christmas, with a set departure time pre-arranged ie 'we'll book you a taxi for 6pm' etc.

Ignore the people who've come to put the boot in, I can clearly see they're bashing on about stuff you've already addressed or just making shit up!

Blizzardofleaves · 26/12/2025 05:16

You did absolutely the right thing getting her out of your house. Print off your post and re read it every time you feel tempted to invite her again.

You simply can not let this happen again op, your sympathy/guilt/obligation is preventing you from providing a safe and calm environment for your ND children. They have to come first. She is not one of your children and she isn’t your responsibility.

Look up parentification. This isn’t your fault, that you have been forced to parent her, and be responsible for her for your entire life. It’s very tough, because you have been conditioned to do this, but it is time you really limited/stopped your children’s exposure to this woman. She is abusing those around her.

DaisyChain505 · 26/12/2025 06:02

Stop putting your kids through this. Put them first.

Bearbookagainandagain · 26/12/2025 06:24

I think all the adults in this situation could have done better.

Your mum clearly has issues but if you didn't want her there then you shouldn't have invited her for the whole day. There seemed to have been a lot of triggers over a long period of time to get her so upset.

Your children did not behave properly. Whether they have disabilities or not, blaming your mum for their bad behaviours is totally unacceptable as well.

Misanthropologie · 26/12/2025 06:51

Cat1504 · 25/12/2025 20:35

She’s got a learning disability….she likely finds it difficult to self regulate

All the more reason not to have her around the children. There is a limit to what any human being can cope with.

Guttedandsosad · 26/12/2025 07:03

Ebok1990 · 26/12/2025 04:02

You are a passive parent. You have one child who ignores people and one child that attacks you and bites. I feel sorry for her being in this atmosphere. She's probably frustrated that you don't see things from her perspective.

Are you serious?

My DD isn't rude. She is a very well behaved little girl who was minding her own business colouring.

DM has form for being snappy with her, and everyone else.

She hasn't done anything wrong here and I assure you has never been called or thought of as rude by anyone else.

Shes a great kid.

DS behaviour is another thing entirely.

OP posts:
Guttedandsosad · 26/12/2025 07:17

Thanks all

The overnight visits have stopped. It won't be happening again.

She wanted to come and stay from Monday as she gets bored and lonely, then gets moody and irritable when she's here.

She would benefit from some adult friendships where no children are concerned, though saying that when she has had (normal, non drinking) friends in the past she's been an arse about them too.

Someone asked if I'm neurodiverse myself, yes I am. I have ADHD.

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